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[pallidin]

I scared Thong away.

[Yamato]

pallidin, on 20 January 2013 - 08:45 PM, said:

...suicide-vest bombers. That was Islamic's own twisted offense/defense.

Historically the world's greatest practitioners of suicide terrorism are from Sri Lanka.  And to save you some clicking, nope, they're not Muslim.   If we're truly mindful of the world, then why are we limiting our concern about global terrorism to just Islamic terrorism?

[pallidin]

Yamato, on 21 January 2013 - 05:56 AM, said:

Historically the world's greatest practitioners of suicide terrorism are from Sri Lanka.  And to save you some clicking, nope, they're not Muslim.   If we're truly mindful of the world, then why are we limiting our concern about global terrorism to just Islamic terrorism?

That was the topic of my post; Islamic terrorism

Interestingly you mention Sri Lanka. I was not aware they performed similar acts. Good to know.

Do you have a reference that radical Sri Lanka's currently do this, and that they are NOT Islamic sympathizers?

Edited by pallidin, 21 January 2013 - 06:19 AM.

[pallidin]

Yamato, do you have a specific position on the use of suicide bombers?

Edited by pallidin, 21 January 2013 - 06:23 AM.

[Yamato]

pallidin, on 21 January 2013 - 06:14 AM, said:

That was the topic of my post; Islamic terrorism

Interestingly you mention Sri Lanka. I was not aware they performed similar acts. Good to know.

Do you have a reference that radical Sri Lanka's currently do this, and that they are NOT Islamic sympathizers?

I mentioned Sri Lanka because you seem to have an interest in fighting terrorism limited to Islamic suicide terrorism.  My question remains unanswered, why are you not acknowledging global efforts to fight all kinds of terrorism and if you're going to use "the world" as the subject of your post, why aren't you willing to look at every form of terrorism throughout the world?  

If martyrdom is your real problem that you wanted to debate, I will start out by saying that dying for what you believe in has been revered throughout history and cultures as the most vindicating thing that a person can do.

[pallidin]

Yamato, on 21 January 2013 - 06:41 AM, said:

I mentioned Sri Lanka because you seem to have an interest in fighting terrorism limited to Islamic suicide terrorism.  My question remains unanswered, why are you not acknowledging global efforts to fight all kinds of terrorism and if you're going to use "the world" as the subject of your post, why aren't you willing to look at every form of terrorism throughout the world?  

If martyrdom is your real problem that you wanted to debate, I will start out by saying that dying for what you believe in has been revered throughout history and cultures as the most vindicating thing that a person can do.

Of course ALL terrorism is disdained and repugnant, but I was specifically asking about Islamic terrorists.

[Yamato]

pallidin, on 21 January 2013 - 06:52 AM, said:

Of course ALL terrorism is disdained and repugnant, but I was specifically asking about Islamic terrorists.

It's up to the people of other countries to determine what kind of country they're going to be.  It's up to the religions to determine what kind of religion they're going to be.  Either we're still going to believe in this militancy that we can change hearts and minds with bombs and bullets or we can focus on all terrorists of the world and put an end to much of the world's violence between nations.  

People are universally motivated by revenge; that doesn't fit in an Islam-shaped box.  Stop feeding the people you wish to defeat with anymore violence.

[and then]

Yamato, on 21 January 2013 - 07:07 AM, said:

It's up to the people of other countries to determine what kind of country they're going to be.  It's up to the religions to determine what kind of religion they're going to be.  Either we're still going to believe in this militancy that we can change hearts and minds with bombs and bullets or we can focus on all terrorists of the world and put an end to much of the world's violence between nations.  

People are universally motivated by revenge; that doesn't fit in an Islam-shaped box.  Stop feeding the people you wish to defeat with anymore violence.

Sermonizing on justice and equality and attitudes about how best to bring peace to the world notwithstanding, I don't really CARE what Muslims think, believe or how they raise their children.  They are welcome to do anything they like to enjoy their lives, prosper and be at peace with me, themselves and the rest of the world.  It's when they decide to kill to promote their religion that I draw a line.  When they do that they are human refuse in my eyes and deserving of being put down - just as the Algerians did.  And the same standard is applied to Christians and Jews.  But last I checked you don't hear of any of the last two groups blowing themselves up for their God.  Nobody has a right to kill others to make them followers of a certain religion and anyone who justifies such behavior is no better than those who do the killing.  Their hands just don't get as messy.

[Yamato]

and then, on 21 January 2013 - 09:25 AM, said:

Sermonizing on justice and equality and attitudes about how best to bring peace to the world notwithstanding, I don't really CARE what Muslims think, believe or how they raise their children.  They are welcome to do anything they like to enjoy their lives, prosper and be at peace with me, themselves and the rest of the world. It's when they decide to kill to promote their religion that I draw a line.  When they do that they are human refuse in my eyes and deserving of being put down - just as the Algerians did.  And the same standard is applied to Christians and Jews.  But last I checked you don't hear of any of the last two groups blowing themselves up for their God.  Nobody has a right to kill others to make them followers of a certain religion and anyone who justifies such behavior is no better than those who do the killing.  Their hands just don't get as messy.

And we kill to promote our politics.   WTH is so superior about that?

[Coffey]

pallidin, on 20 January 2013 - 08:45 PM, said:

I will try to answer to the best of my knowledge:

The CIA did NOT train suicide-vest bombers. That was Islamic's own twisted offense/defense. The US had nothing to do with that.


As for the Chinese analogy, where the heck did you come-up with that?

The Chinese have A WHOLE DIFFERENT take on freedom. So, that's a really poor analogy.

I would like to answer, but how could I possibly answer your question which has zero common sense.

There is never bad questions, only bad answers.

The whole point was to pretend China was the US and you where in Afghanistan... All you have to do is use your imagination.  It is also not a poor analogy, the whole point is that you are being invaded and your family is being killed etc.

And actually the Japanese used the exact same idea but with planes. So have others countries. It has always been a military tactic. When you are faced with larger numbers and the odds are against you. You have to remember that 1 death is better than many. Which means if 1 person can takeout a lot instead of losing loads of men, then it's a good tactic.

I obviously don't condone it, but I'm not a hypocrite, I also don't condone war.

and then, on 21 January 2013 - 09:25 AM, said:

Sermonizing on justice and equality and attitudes about how best to bring peace to the world notwithstanding, I don't really CARE what Muslims think, believe or how they raise their children.  They are welcome to do anything they like to enjoy their lives, prosper and be at peace with me, themselves and the rest of the world.  It's when they decide to kill to promote their religion that I draw a line.  When they do that they are human refuse in my eyes and deserving of being put down - just as the Algerians did.  And the same standard is applied to Christians and Jews.  But last I checked you don't hear of any of the last two groups blowing themselves up for their God.  Nobody has a right to kill others to make them followers of a certain religion and anyone who justifies such behavior is no better than those who do the killing.  Their hands just don't get as messy.

So how do you justify Israel's Zionist leaders killing Palestinians........

pallidin, on 20 January 2013 - 09:06 PM, said:

I have my homework, though I'm sure it's different than your's. I am after TRUTH, not conspiracy.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda

Check the history section....

It's common knowledge now, I wish people would realise this. Even Hilary Clinton stated it on live Television.

Edited by Coffey, 21 January 2013 - 09:55 AM.

[freetoroam]

pallidin, on 20 January 2013 - 11:16 PM, said:

You keep calling me friend while hating me at the same time. Do you have some hidden love for me??  

Oh wait, you're not female, nevermind.

I am getting jealous now,, The Silver Thing calls me "fool", why can`t i be called a Troll too?      its discrimination I tell ya!  

[pallidin]

The Japanese kamikaze pilots are a poor analogy of "suicide vests", which is why I did not mention it.

You see, those kamikaze pilots were in a plane. Clearly marked with the Japanese symbol.

Islamic-vested suicide bombers have no markings.

As such they are not only murderer's, but cowards as well.

[pallidin]

freetoroam, on 21 January 2013 - 12:40 PM, said:

I am getting jealous now,, The Silver Thing calls me "fool", why can`t i be called a Troll too?      its discrimination I tell ya!  

Silver Thong has a deep, passionate, secret love for me, so don't feel too bad.

Hey Thong, are you still out there?

[freetoroam]

pallidin, on 21 January 2013 - 03:06 PM, said:

The Japanese kamikaze pilots are a poor analogy of "suicide vests", which is why I did not mention it.

You see, those kamikaze pilots were in a plane. Clearly marked with the Japanese symbol.

Islamic-vested suicide bombers have no markings.

As such they are not only murderer's, but cowards as well.

True, and I have not seen any of them mentioned in the news recently.
We could go back through history and fill up a few pages, but as you have pointed out, we are discussing the threats of today, which are affecting us in areas which are not at war, and the only ones who are openly threatening us are the islamic fundamentalists.
We had the Islamic Political party saying their bit on the streets of England a few years back, and yet some lefty do gooder thought that by defuncting the name would get rid of them altogether! It did  not.

[.AKUMA.]

freetoroam, on 21 January 2013 - 04:38 PM, said:

True, and I have not seen any of them mentioned in the news recently.
We could go back through history and fill up a few pages, but as you have pointed out, we are discussing the threats of today, which are affecting us in areas which are not at war, and the only ones who are openly threatening us are the islamic fundamentalists.
We had the Islamic Political party saying their bit on the streets of England a few years back, and yet some lefty do gooder thought that by defuncting the name would get rid of them altogether! It did  not.

Yes I know what your reffering too, I believe they were also kicked of the streets by their own people?.... Were they not?
And lol they were hardly a politcal party just a group of thugs spreading anti western propaganda.