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[CommunitarianKevin]

A study finds birth control cuts abortion rates dramatically...I have been saying this for quite a while...stop fighting against birth control Repubs. Stop getting pissed when Obama requires it to be covered in Obamacare. Stop closing down Planned Parenthood, which provides free contraception for women. Either fight for against abortion or against contraception, not both...

http://vitals.nbcnew...tudy-finds?lite

[questionmark]

Well: Duh!

And they needed to spend money to discover that?

[Super-Fly]

Really?!

LOL.

Thanks,

[CommunitarianKevin]

Hey, I know...but yet people fight against it...
Maybe a study will finally convince them?

[questionmark]

HuttonEtAl, on 05 October 2012 - 02:48 PM, said:

Hey, I know...but yet people fight against it...
Maybe a study will finally convince them?

as soon as hell freezes over. Bible thumpers never worked based on logic.

[OverSword]

The problem with Obama's pandering to women by giving them free birth control is that the average co-pay on BC for women in America is $15.00 a month.  Just because the government says it's now free it doesn't magically become free.  That cost will be made up for by yet another increase in premiums.
So take every women in the USA that get BC through insurance multiply that number by $15.00, and add that to your employers premuims.  The republicans are not trying to outlaw birth control they're trying to keep insurances increases lower.  How can people not get that?

[JGirl]

HuttonEtAl, on 05 October 2012 - 02:36 PM, said:

A study finds birth control cuts abortion rates dramatically...I have been saying this for quite a while...stop fighting against birth control Repubs. Stop getting pissed when Obama requires it to be covered in Obamacare. Stop closing down Planned Parenthood, which provides free contraception for women. Either fight for against abortion or against contraception, not both...

http://vitals.nbcnew...tudy-finds?lite

kind of like saying eating eliminates hunger.

[CommunitarianKevin]

OverSword, on 05 October 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:

The problem with Obama's pandering to women by giving them free birth control is that the average co-pay on BC for women in America is $15.00 a month.  Just because the government says it's now free it doesn't magically become free.  That cost will be made up for by yet another increase in premiums.
So take every women in the USA that get BC through insurance multiply that number by $15.00, and add that to your employers premuims.  The republicans are not trying to outlaw birth control they're trying to keep insurances increases lower.  How can people not get that?

2 points...
1.) You are putting a price on dead babies?
2.) No, premiums do not need to go up. I constantly hear that...that is like saying a camel took a dump in the sand, gas prices need to go up. No it does not. That is called an excuse, an excuse for them to raise prices. Insurance companies are about profit. It is about giving up a little bit of profit to cover this. Prices do not NEED to go up.

[RockabyeBillie]

Uh... YA THINK? pffffffffffffffffffffft.....

[OverSword]

HuttonEtAl, on 05 October 2012 - 03:20 PM, said:

2 points...
1.) You are putting a price on dead babies?
2.) No, premiums do not need to go up. I constantly hear that...that is like saying a camel took a dump in the sand, gas prices need to go up. No it does not. That is called an excuse, an excuse for them to raise prices. Insurance companies are about profit. It is about giving up a little bit of profit to cover this. Prices do not NEED to go up.

Hutton, you don't know what you're talking about. How am I putting a price on dead babies?
I'm telling you that drug companies charge for thier drugs.  Insurance companies are not going to suddenly start paying 100% of all birth control perscriptions and absorb that cost at a loss, they will make up for the extra fee by raising rates.  The average copay nationwide for women is $15.00 a month for BC pills.  When the insurance companies are suddenly stuck with paying that money they will not simply "eat it".  Don't be stoopid.  They will make up for that loss by increasing your premiums.  I work in the health insurance industry, specifically in employee benefits so likely know more about it than you do.

[CommunitarianKevin]

OverSword, on 05 October 2012 - 03:43 PM, said:

Hutton, you don't know what you're talking about. How am I putting a price on dead babies?
I'm telling you that drug companies charge for thier drugs.  Insurance companies are not going to suddenly start paying 100% of all birth control perscriptions and absorb that cost at a loss, they will make up for the extra fee by raising rates.  The average copay nationwide for women is $15.00 a month for BC pills. When the insurance companies are suddenly stuck with paying that money they will not simply "eat it". Don't be stoopid.  They will make up for that loss by increasing your premiums.  I work in the health insurance industry, specifically in employee benefits so likely know more about it than you do.

But they could. That is my argument. Do do not HAVE to raise prices. They choose to. That is the problem with our system. That is the problem with having private healthcare. IMO healthcare should not be about capitalism, it should be about care...

[OverSword]

HuttonEtAl, on 05 October 2012 - 03:52 PM, said:

But they could. That is my argument. Do do not HAVE to raise prices. They choose to. That is the problem with our system. That is the problem with having private healthcare. IMO healthcare should not be about capitalism, it should be about care...

Not being in the industry you are probably unaware that your local blue cross, blue shields are classified as not-for-profit.  They are required to keep  a reserve to pay out claims.  If it worked how you claim it should you could probably kiss those carriers goodbye.  Is that reasonable?  Can you name an industry in america that would lose profits just so people can have free entitlements per government decree?  No you can't because it never happens and it won't start now.  Your opinion of what it should be means nothing.  It's what it is.

Edited by OverSword, 05 October 2012 - 04:03 PM.

[CommunitarianKevin]

OverSword, on 05 October 2012 - 04:02 PM, said:

Not being in the industry you are probably unaware that your local blue cross, blue shields are classified as not-for-profit.  They are required to keep  a reserve to pay out claims.  If it worked how you claim it should you could probably kiss those carriers goodbye.  Is that reasonable?  Can you name an industry in america that would lose profits just so people can have free entitlements per government decree?  No you can't because it never happens and it won't start now.  Your opinion of what it should be means nothing.  It's what it is.

It is what it is? Well then why even have politics? Why try to reform healthcare? Why try to reform the tax codes? Why try to fight for gay rights? Why try and do anything? If people just said "it is what it is," we would still have slavery...

[OverSword]

HuttonEtAl, on 05 October 2012 - 04:31 PM, said:

It is what it is? Well then why even have politics? Why try to reform healthcare? Why try to reform the tax codes? Why try to fight for gay rights? Why try and do anything? If people just said "it is what it is," we would still have slavery...

Your emotionalism about the subject will change nothing.  The president's decree of free this that or the other is not free.  It will cost you, or if you get your insurance through your employer it will cost your employer.  If insurance becomes expensive enough eventually your employer will just stop offerring it.  Then since there is a law you must have it then you will be required to purchase it all on your own.  Still like this healthcare reform?  Who knows maybe that's the governments plan.  By the year 2020 one out of five dollars in our economy is projected to be a healthcare dollar, do you think the government wouldn't want total control over that?

[Hasina]

I wonder if (or hopefully when) they produce male birth control, will that be paid for by insurance agencies?