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[mcrom901]

Czero 101, on 22 April 2011 - 07:18 AM, said:

Well, you can thank the ancient Greeks for that...

you can read more about them here.....> link

[mcrom901]

747400, on 22 April 2011 - 07:06 AM, said:

But the Air Force lie about things routinely, don't they? What about all those R

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cover stories? So are you saying that it should be suspicious that they denied any involvement, or their denial of involvement shows that they weren't there at the time?

i guess q was recently speculating about the af acting out weirdly because of their concerns that the plasma phenomenon would be perceived as eti...

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[booNyzarC]

Czero 101, on 22 April 2011 - 06:16 AM, said:

From Skeptoid.com - The Alien Invasion of Phoenix, Arizona:


And for booNy, regarding your earlier post about the effective candlepower of the flares, you were off just a bit...

From the paragraph immediately preceding the one quoted above:





Cz

Thanks for the clarification regarding the optional candela strengths Cz.

[booNyzarC]

arenee, on 22 April 2011 - 04:56 AM, said:

  
I was in North Carolina trying to get killed by a tornado. I put it in my status sheesh!

Well thanks for the update.  Any chance we might bring up some of the cases that were forgotten in lieu of bickering?   Those might be fun.

Zoiks, that sounds exciting!  Trying to find an alternate route to Oz are we?

[DONTEATUS]

Believe me arenee already Lives in Oz ! And she`s got a FTL craft to get her there !justr ask her !

[booNyzarC]

I don't know why I bother...

skyeagle409, on 22 April 2011 - 04:49 AM, said:

People down below in the valley, and across Phoenix, saw the same lights,  which indicates that those lights were just a few miles from the camera, not over the BGR  as they were high overhead as indicated by the fact that people down in the valley had watched the lighs as well, and, they were not flares over the BGR either. They should have been an indicator right there that the lights were not flares over the BGR.

Plenty of people from in and around Phoenix would have been able to see the flares that were dropped over the BGR.  Enough people recorded the event on video that an actual analysis of the flares has been made possible.  That analysis (which you continue to ignore) definitively places the lights over the BGR.  Nothing you say can change that.

skyeagle409, on 22 April 2011 - 04:49 AM, said:

Another reason why the Air Force initially denied involvement and another is that the Air Force was unable to provide any operational report at all when requested, which indicates that the
A-10s were nowhere over the BGR at 10 PM, but then again, those lights were not indicative of flares from more than 50 miles away.

The A-10's which jettisoned the flares were stationed in Tuscon.  Are you trying to say that Lt. Col. Ed Jones, one of the pilots that night, is lying?

skyeagle409, on 22 April 2011 - 04:49 AM, said:

There are many  indicators that the lights were not flares and others that such lights cannot be seen from the  Phoenix area, and  I am surprised that those indicators are still being overlooked.

You haven't brought any indicators to the table which refute the analysis of the actual videos which captured the dropping flares.  Nor are you capable of bringing such indicators.

skyeagle409, on 22 April 2011 - 04:49 AM, said:

And, once again, the 'rate of movement,' of the lights, and you will notice that I didn't say 'rate of decent,' are not indicative of flare drops from more than 50 miles away. In addition, I have provided the elevations of both, Phoenix and of the BGR, and that is very significant as well.

There was no "rate of movement" in those videos except for the clear rate of descent indicative of flares.

Once again, the elevation of the BGR is completely irrelevant to this discussion and your inclusion of said elevation indicates how very little you understand about what is needed for this analysis.  Plus, the elevation you gave was for the Gila Bend Air Force Auxiliary Field which isn't really even close to where the flares were dropped in the first place.  The test range itself is littered with hills rising to elevations of 2400 ft and more.

But again - This has absolutely no relevance to the discussion because the flares were dropped up in the sky.  They aren't buildings..

skyeagle409, on 22 April 2011 - 04:49 AM, said:

Tons of indicators, and yet, the dots are not being properly connected, so once again, others who have seen the Air Force demonstration and the earlier sighttings, have said there were no comparison between the  events.

Instead of trying to connect unconnectable dots, perhaps you should make an effort to understand the analysis which proves beyond any doubt whatsoever that those are videos of flares dropped over the BGR.

skyeagle409, on 22 April 2011 - 05:28 AM, said:

Nope. there were no flares involved. Even at higher altitudes, you are not going to see any flares over the BGR down in the valley, which makes it all the more compellng the lights were not flares over the BGR, but there is more as well.
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Yep, flares.  You haven't raised any points which would bring the analysis into question.  None.  And you will never be able to do that because they were flares dropped over the BGR.

skyeagle409, on 22 April 2011 - 05:33 AM, said:

Sorry, but I am 'RIGHT ON THE  MONEY!!'

Those lights were not flares over the BGR more than 50 miles away, and another indicator was that the Air Force was unable to produce any after action reports when requested and that should have opened some eyes then, especiallyl when the Air Force denied any involvement in the first place.

That should have set off the alarm bells right there!!.

You aren't right on the money at all.  You are wrong.

skyeagle409, on 22 April 2011 - 05:46 AM, said:

Once again, the photo.

Draw and straight line to the top of the highest building at 1400 feet and note the degrees above the horizone from more than 50 miles away.

Now, place a 3000-foot mountain  between the Chicago skyline and the camera. The challenge is the find what happened to the  Chicago skyline as it is no longer visible..

Next, elevate yourself 1500 feet higher and try to find what happened to the Chicago skyline.

Where is it? Definitely still not in view.

The photo of Chicago is as worthless in this discussion as the rest of your ridiculous arguments.

[booNyzarC]

Czero 101, on 22 April 2011 - 06:16 AM, said:

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And for booNy, regarding your earlier post about the effective candlepower of the flares, you were off just a bit...
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I know that I already responded to this...  but...

Oh my, I just now realized that I had said billion...  I meant million.   3 zeros don't really matter though do they?

Thanks (again) for the correction mate.

[Slave2Fate]

booNyzarC, on 22 April 2011 - 03:04 PM, said:

3 zeros don't really matter though do they?

Depends on if you're buying or selling.

BTW, I've just been lurking lately but I would like to express my admiration for some of the posters here, LS, booN, Cz, Peri, psyche. Great stuff fellas, keep it up.

[badeskov]

Slave2Fate, on 22 April 2011 - 03:25 PM, said:

BTW, I've just been lurking lately but I would like to express my admiration for some of the posters here, LS, booN, Cz, Peri, psyche. Great stuff fellas, keep it up.

Likewise, and I can only concur. The depth of the analysis presented and the attention the detail as well as the astounding breadth of knowledge on display is just incredible *tips hat*!

Cheers,
Badeskov

[booNyzarC]

Slave2Fate, on 22 April 2011 - 03:25 PM, said:

Depends on if you're buying or selling.

LOL I'm a bit embarrassed by that little mistake actually...

Slave2Fate, on 22 April 2011 - 03:25 PM, said:

BTW, I've just been lurking lately but I would like to express my admiration for some of the posters here, LS, booN, Cz, Peri, psyche. Great stuff fellas, keep it up.

You've been missed S2F, but thanks for the kind words.

Edit:  And thanks bade as well.  You've also been missed.

Edited by booNyzarC, 22 April 2011 - 03:48 PM.

[arenee]

booNyzarC, on 22 April 2011 - 01:14 PM, said:

Zoiks, that sounds exciting!  Trying to find an alternate route to Oz are we?

It's just cheaper that way.  But really I was safe and sound in the mountains.

So, are we back on the Phoenix Lights?  

[badeskov]

booNyzarC, on 22 April 2011 - 03:46 PM, said:

Edit:  And thanks bade as well.  You've also been missed.

Thanks BooNy!! I miss this place. I should be in front of my computer by Wednesday and then I should be ready to partake again.

That said, I have truly enjoyed the discussion here during my lurking (sorry, I tried, but I simply don't have the patience to type out long posts on my phone - Czero, you are my hero in that respect; I admire your patience).

Cheers,
Badeskov

[booNyzarC]

Yes bade, I don't know how he does it with that phone either.  I'd be lost without my computer.

arenee, on 22 April 2011 - 03:57 PM, said:

It's just cheaper that way.  But really I was safe and sound in the mountains.

So, are we back on the Phoenix Lights?  

I don't think that Dorothy's Oz is quite the same place...

Yes, back on those videos.  Will probably remain so for some time unless a certain bird miraculously realizes how futile his arguments are.  What is your take on the analysis and discussion about them? (Aside from disdain... )

[badeskov]

booNyzarC, on 22 April 2011 - 04:13 PM, said:

Yes bade, I don't know how he does it with that phone either.  I'd be lost without my computer.

Me too! Unfortunately my laptop is currently under some restrictions :-(

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I don't think that Dorothy's Oz is quite the same place...

Yes, back on those videos.  Will probably remain so for some time unless a certain bird miraculously realizes how futile his arguments are.  What is your take on the analysis and discussion about them? (Aside from disdain... )

I will allow to interject myself here, quite shamelessly. Regarding the Phoenix lights, I didn't think one could overdo "the last nail in the coffin" - I now stand corrected ;-)

The ET explanation to that has been buried so deep that even nuclear waste would be envious.

Cheers,,
Badeskov

[DONTEATUS]

You have the waist part oh so correct there badeskov ! Cheer`s now get back to Sweetis We need a Bar Keep onboard!
Im takeing here for a little Hop around the planet tonight to Look For Mid !