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[daavin]

me-wonders, on 11 December 2012 - 05:15 PM, said:

About the flood not being


I am very curious about the height.  Many ancient civilizations are built high in the mountains.  There must be a reason for this.

The main reason they built high in the mountains was to protect themselves from invasion,  to control an attack from your enemies to one or two positions rather than letting them completely surround you. IMHO .

[Abramelin]

cormac mac airt, on 11 December 2012 - 11:03 PM, said:

That's the most commonly held interpretation of Genesis Chapter 7, Verses 19 and 20.

cormac

Another one is "all over the land".

[cormac mac airt]

Abramelin, on 12 December 2012 - 04:23 AM, said:

Another one is "all over the land".

Interestingly enough, if Shuruppak were the point of origin and the flood waters really had have risen 15 cubits (20 feet) above local ground level then that would have taken up nearly all of southern Mesopotamia/Sumer.

cormac

[Abramelin]

I think it is of great help to have an alternative translation, one more close to the original Hebrew text:

A Mechanical Translation of the Book of Genesis
The Hebrew text literally translated word for word
Jeff A. Benner 2007

Contents

This book will include two translations. The first is the Mechanical
Translation (MT), located in the left column, where every Hebrew word,
prefix and suffix is translated exactly the same way every time they
occur and in the same order as it is found in the Hebrew text. The second
is the Revised Mechanical Translation (RMT), located in the right
column, which re-arranges the words so that they can be understood
through standard English grammar. Included with each verse is the
Hebrew text (Biblia Hebraica Leningradensia) for those who know, or
are learning, Hebrew and is located above the MT and RMT.
Because the meaning of a Hebrew word cannot be conveyed completely
through one or two English words, each word found in the MT will be
included in the dictionary located at the back of this book. This
dictionary will more accurately define each word within the context of
the Ancient Hebrew language and culture.
Also included at the back of this book is a concordance allowing the
reader to search for each occurrence of a word within the book of
Genesis.

The project

This book is the beginning of a series of translations of the books of the
Bible which will, for the first time, translate the Hebrew text of the Bible
literally into English without inserting a translators interpretation of the
text.

http://www.ancient-h...e-books/mtg.pdf

Genesis Chapter 7, Verses 19 and 20 :

7:19
and the water had overcome a great
many upon the land and concealed
all of the high hills which are under
all of the sky,

7:20
fifteen forearms upward the water
overcame and much concealed the
hills,

[Abramelin]

What is interesting here is that in the Hebrew text, no "mountains" show up:

(From the pdf:)

Hill: A rounded natural elevation of
land lower than a mountain.
[masc] [AHLB: 1112-A (N)]
[Strong's: 2022]

Just for those who think they should take the Bible literally....

[King Fluffs]

I doubt it.

[Abramelin]

What is "it"?

[marcos anthony toledo]

Yes the truth is lost in translation literal translation may be little long winded but the reader gets the story right.

[lightdefeatsdark]

Okay, the bible says the earth is 5772 years old, Before the flood the conditions were WAY different, the bible says the fountains of the deep broke open and the rain started falling now theres proof of the fountains of the deep with fault lines all over the world and subterranean water chambers, also some believe that there was a layer of water somewhere added to the atmosphere,

Genesis 1:6-7

And God said. "Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.   

And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

                                              

It was like living in a hyperbaric oxygen chamber (increasing life spans, making us grow bigger and stronger (way more capable of building a boat that sized), not to mention would explain how the dinosaurs could have lived here considering they couldn't breath anymore.)). The mountains weren't that high before the flood, when the faults broke open they shoved terrain out of the water raising peaks and creating depths, the world pre-flood was fully habitable including the poles, which is why we find tropical debris under the ice all the time. i believe a comet hit causing all of this (putting us on our axis creating the frozen poles freezing mammoths with food in their mouths shattering the water atmosphere and breaking the deep open. the earth is currently wobbling like a top and is slowly going back on track this would also explain all the fossils and giant bones found all over the place.

Edited by lightdefeatsdark, 12 December 2012 - 09:01 PM.

[cormac mac airt]

lightdefeatsdark, on 12 December 2012 - 08:58 PM, said:

Okay, the bible says the earth is 5772 years old, Before the flood the conditions were WAY different, the bible says the fountains of the deep broke open and the rain started falling now theres proof of the fountains of the deep with fault lines all over the world and subterranean water chambers, also some believe that there was a layer of water somewhere added to the atmosphere,

Genesis 1:6-7

And God said. "Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.   

And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

  

It was like living in a hyperbaric oxygen chamber (increasing life spans, making us grow bigger and stronger (way more capable of building a boat that sized), not to mention would explain how the dinosaurs could have lived here considering they couldn't breath anymore.)). The mountains weren't that high before the flood, when the faults broke open they shoved terrain out of the water raising peaks and creating depths, the world pre-flood was fully habitable including the poles, which is why we find tropical debris under the ice all the time. i believe a comet hit causing all of this (putting us on our axis creating the frozen poles freezing mammoths with food in their mouths shattering the water atmosphere and breaking the deep open. the earth is currently wobbling like a top and is slowly going back on track this would also explain all the fossils and giant bones found all over the place.

That's not much on which to base one's position on since it would firmly place the Great Flood at the end of the 3rd millenium, around 2104 BC by some versions. By this time Dynastic Egypt had already been in existance for nearly 1000 years and the Sumerians as a civilization, were gone, having already had their own stories of a Great Flood.

cormac

[Abramelin]

cormac mac airt, on 12 December 2012 - 09:07 PM, said:

That's not much on which to base one's position on since it would firmly place the Great Flood at the end of the 3rd millenium, around 2104 BC by some versions. By this time Dynastic Egypt had already been in existance for nearly 1000 years and the Sumerians as a civilization, were gone, having already had their own stories of a Great Flood.

cormac

"by some versions"......

You don't happen to hint at the "Oera Linda Book" with it's infamous date of 2194 BC??



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Edited by Abramelin, 12 December 2012 - 09:19 PM.

[allanp]

Just look at the geophysical evidence - after the last ice age (10-12,000 years ago) the worlds oceans rose around 100 metres (300 feet). Thus the Atlantic flooded the Mediterranean "valley", Black Sea, etc... There would have been a lot of people living in the valley, including Noah, as it was part of the Fertile Crescent.

[lightdefeatsdark]

cormac mac airt, on 12 December 2012 - 09:07 PM, said:

That's not much on which to base one's position on since it would firmly place the Great Flood at the end of the 3rd millenium, around 2104 BC by some versions. By this time Dynastic Egypt had already been in existance for nearly 1000 years and the Sumerians as a civilization, were gone, having already had their own stories of a Great Flood.

cormac

This is assuming the day cycle was the same it is now. which its not, you would get 12 full hours of sunlight a day and no seasons worldwide

[Abramelin]

lightdefeatsdark, on 12 December 2012 - 08:58 PM, said:

Okay, the bible says the earth is 5772 years old, Before the flood the conditions were WAY different, the bible says the fountains of the deep broke open and the rain started falling now theres proof of the fountains of the deep with fault lines all over the world and subterranean water chambers, also some believe that there was a layer of water somewhere added to the atmosphere,

Genesis 1:6-7

And God said. "Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.   

And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

  

It was like living in a hyperbaric oxygen chamber (increasing life spans, making us grow bigger and stronger (way more capable of building a boat that sized), not to mention would explain how the dinosaurs could have lived here considering they couldn't breath anymore.)). The mountains weren't that high before the flood, when the faults broke open they shoved terrain out of the water raising peaks and creating depths, the world pre-flood was fully habitable including the poles, which is why we find tropical debris under the ice all the time. i believe a comet hit causing all of this (putting us on our axis creating the frozen poles freezing mammoths with food in their mouths shattering the water atmosphere and breaking the deep open. the earth is currently wobbling like a top and is slowly going back on track this would also explain all the fossils and giant bones found all over the place.

Genesis 1:6-7


1:6
and “Elohiym [Powers]” said, a
sheet will exist in the midst of the
water and he existed making a
separation between water to water,


1:7
and “Elohiym [Powers]” made the
sheet and he made a separation
between the water which is under
the sheet and the water which is
upon the sheet and he existed so,


That's the literal translation from the original Hebrew text.


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[cormac mac airt]

No Abe. In this case I'm talking about the use of 3760 BC, per the Jewish calendar, as the date of Creation. Which is what 'lightdefeatsdark' is using while not realizing when that would place the Great Flood. So whether this poster realizes it or not, they've invalidated their own speculation.

cormac