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Posted 16 November 2009 - 11:24 PM

Here's the real secret:

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 11:25 PM

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Here's the real secret:

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Ah yes...and who made that map if I may ask?

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 11:35 PM

Plato may have lived in the 300's but he is writing about a place that supposedly SANK 9000 years before Solon.  Solon was 635-558 BC.  About another 300 years added to Plato's life time.  That is when Alantis SANK, so she had to have had a history of some sort BEFORE she sank, which is a lot older than 9000 years before Solon.  Atlantis didn't just drop from the sky fully formed, unless of course you believe she was a UFO that did land and was marooned here.

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 11:39 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 16 November 2009 - 11:25 PM, said:

Ah yes...and who made that map if I may ask?
It would be irrelevant if the tooth fairy made it.  

It's truth is self-evident, even to a child.  

And ad hominem fallacies only harm rather than help your case.

Edited by Agonaces of Susa, 16 November 2009 - 11:39 PM.

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 11:40 PM

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Plato may have lived in the 300's but he is writing about a place that supposedly SANK 9000 years before Solon.  Solon was 635-558 BC.  About another 300 years added to Plato's life time.  That is when Alantis SANK, so she had to have had a history of some sort BEFORE she sank, which is a lot older than 9000 years before Solon.  Atlantis didn't just drop from the sky fully formed, unless of course you believe she was a UFO that did land and was marooned here.

And here comes the crux of the story... 10.000 BC a highly insular developed civilization? Even with trade and contact the others could not make it.

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 11:42 PM

View PostQoais, on 16 November 2009 - 11:35 PM, said:

Plato may have lived in the 300's but he is writing about a place that supposedly SANK 9000 years before Solon.  Solon was 635-558 BC.  About another 300 years added to Plato's life time.  That is when Alantis SANK, so she had to have had a history of some sort BEFORE she sank, which is a lot older than 9000 years before Solon.  Atlantis didn't just drop from the sky fully formed, unless of course you believe she was a UFO that did land and was marooned here.
We have archaeological evidence from 9,500 B.C.

Here's an Egyptian sphinx dated to 9,500 B.C., not incidentally the exact same date as Atlantis.

"Look at this. It's a sphinx, thousands of years before Egypt." -- Klaus Schmidt, archaeologist, April 2008

http://www.guardian....haeology.turkey

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 11:47 PM

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We have archaeological evidence from 9,500 B.C.

Here's an Egyptian sphinx dated to 9,500 B.C., not incidentally the exact same date as Atlantis.

"Look at this. It's a sphinx, thousands of years before Egypt." -- Klaus Schmidt, archaeologist, April 2008

http://www.guardian....haeology.turkey

Ah, good old Göbekli Tepe. Do you know what kind of civilization you are talking about?

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 11:50 PM

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Ah, good old Göbekli Tepe. Do you know what kind of civilization you are talking about?
The one with the sphinx in it that's thousands of years older than Khafra?

Edited by Agonaces of Susa, 16 November 2009 - 11:52 PM.

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 11:53 PM

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The one with the sphinx in it?

Yep, but that "Sphinx"does not resemble the one in Giza very much:

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as you see...it took 600 year of civilization to get to the "Other one"

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 11:56 PM

This does not mean the people who made these carvings were from Atlantis.

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http://www.redicecre...cle.php?id=3487

I had a discussion about these carvings several years ago with some folks who were adamant Urantia Book fans.  They said this was from the original Garden of Eden.  Who's correct?

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Posted 16 November 2009 - 11:58 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 16 November 2009 - 11:53 PM, said:

Yep, but that "Sphinx"does not resemble the one in Giza very much:

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as you see...it took 600 year of civilization to get to the "Other one"
That's not a sphinx... :rolleyes:

The sphinx is half man half lion.

http://www.guardian....haeology.turkey

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"Look at this", he said, pointing at a photo of an exquisitely carved sculpture showing an animal, half-human, half-lion. "It's a sphinx, thousands of years before Egypt.


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Posted 17 November 2009 - 12:01 AM

View PostQoais, on 16 November 2009 - 11:56 PM, said:

This does not mean the people who made these carvings were from Atlantis.

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http://www.redicecre...cle.php?id=3487

I had a discussion about these carvings several years ago with some folks who were adamant Urantia Book fans.  They said this was from the original Garden of Eden.  Who's correct?

Neither, Göbliki is most probably the place where organized religion was discovered (or should I say invented?). But that way back in the neolithic. It could be that due to a schism the place was abandoned and "buried" by its last occupants. Or , more plausible, the living conditions were made impossible due to the increasing population and the place was abandoned, but first the temple was buried under a mound, just as high dignitaries of the time were buried.

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Posted 17 November 2009 - 12:10 AM

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That's not a sphinx... :rolleyes:

The sphinx is half man half lion.

http://www.guardian....haeology.turkey

OOps, then Schmidt, quoted in the article you linked must be wrong. He identifies that thing as Sphinx. Sorry...there must be none at Göbliki.

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Posted 17 November 2009 - 12:14 AM

View Postquestionmark, on 17 November 2009 - 12:10 AM, said:

OOps, then Schmidt, quoted in the article you linked must be wrong. He identifies that thing as Sphinx. Sorry...there must be none at Göbliki.
I'm pretty sure the professional archaeologist on site knows more about the subject than you do.

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Posted 17 November 2009 - 12:14 AM

View PostAgonaces of Susa, on 17 November 2009 - 12:14 AM, said:

I'm pretty sure the professional archaeologist on site knows more about the subject than you do.
Ok, then the picture got labeled wrong

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