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#16    F3SS

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 05:30 AM

View PostCrimsonKing, on 22 March 2013 - 10:37 PM, said:

One thing this goober never thought about was when he talks about people having to pay a fine if not insured,if they cannot afford the insurance in the first place then how the hell are they going to pay his damn fine?As pelosi said "we wont know whats in it until we pass it"

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I've often said that too and my conclusion is once and when people fall into a snowball effect of debt because they can't afford the fine(s) then they'll have no choice but to get on some crappy government assisted program. It's going to happen in spades. The end game is single payer. Nothing will change for the poor, the rich aren't going to be affected and the middle class will be working harder and harder to pay for more and more people on assistance thereby shrinking the middle class and adding to the dependent class. Votes votes votes.
And when the ill effects are too great to ignore some savior democrat will step in and announce that the only solution is for the government to assume compete control of the healthcare system because it must be fixed and it must be fixed now. They'll claim the situation is dire and they didn't want it to be this way but it's the only solution and they're the only ones who can fix it. Control control control.

They don't want the people's government. They want the governments people.

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 08:20 PM

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 08:28 PM

View PostKowalski, on 23 March 2013 - 01:01 AM, said:

It will force them to take a plan

No it will let them "shop" for the best plan they can afford. Something that many Americans already do during open enrollment.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:24 PM

The answer to the cost of health care is a easy fix. Both Fed and State regulations need to be eliminated, and let the market decide. If a insurance company could operate nation wide, they would all be cutting each other throats, and forcing hospitals and such to lower costs. Regulations causing monopolies are what got us into this mess. 0bama care has done nothing but made my insurance company raise prices 3 times since it was past. My wifes insurance is better then what my job offers, so I recently just had her cut me so her and the kids could stay on, and I could afford to continue to live. I have no insurance cause of 0bama care. Thanks for nothing.

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Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:40 PM

Sorry to hear that! I know many people's insurance rates are sky rocketing. In the New York Times they were talking about how in some states, they are raising the rates because they know people will HAVE to buy it. Sad, that people only care about money...


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Posted 25 March 2013 - 01:52 AM

View Postpreacherman76, on 24 March 2013 - 12:24 PM, said:

let the market decide. If a insurance company could operate nation wide,

Which is exactly what the Obamacare exchanges do.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 12:37 PM

Obamacare never had anything to do with healthcare, it was and always will be about having power over a massive portion of teh economy and over every single person living in the US.  Once they have control of your health they own you.  They can dictate what you eat, drinbkt smoke, think, do etc.  "Does your Daddy own a gun?  Ok ddouble your premiums."c  "You are over 65 so sorry, it just isn''y wprth giving you that $100k operation>  Take a pill."   There is a very good reason this thing doesn't take effect untip 2014 and that is because it is going to be a disaster and is going to gut health care in America.

Unfortunately, before we can do anything about it, it will be too late as the health industry will be gone and the majority will be dependent on the government for health care.  This last election cycle was our chance and we blew it.

Nice midterms democrats.  As Pelosi says, "Embrace the suck".

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 12:57 PM

View PostMerc14, on 25 March 2013 - 12:37 PM, said:

Obamacare never had anything to do with healthcare, it was and always will be about having power over a massive portion of teh economy and over every single person living in the US.  Once they have control of your health they own you.  They can dictate what you eat, drinbkt smoke, think, do etc.  "Does your Daddy own a gun?  Ok ddouble your premiums."c  "You are over 65 so sorry, it just isn''y wprth giving you that $100k operation>  Take a pill."   There is a very good reason this thing doesn't take effect untip 2014 and that is because it is going to be a disaster and is going to gut health care in America.

Unfortunately, before we can do anything about it, it will be too late as the health industry will be gone and the majority will be dependent on the government for health care.  This last election cycle was our chance and we blew it.


People would rather get free handouts from the government then freedom. Sad what America is starting to become.


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Posted 25 March 2013 - 11:39 PM

View PostKowalski, on 23 March 2013 - 01:01 AM, said:

Many people I know, cannot AFFORD health insurance. Obamacare WON'T change that.

That's why low-to-middle income people get financial assistance to pay for insurance. If they're buying insurance on their own, their financial contribution is capped at a certain percentage of their income.


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Posted 26 March 2013 - 07:23 PM

Check this out:



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Study: Health overhaul to raise claims cost 32 pct

WASHINGTON (AP) — Medical claims costs — the biggest driver of health insurance premiums — will jump an average 32 percent for Americans' individual policies under President Barack Obama's overhaul, according to a study by the nation's leading group of financial risk analysts.
The report could turn into a big headache for the Obama administration at a time when many parts of the country remain skeptical about the Affordable Care Act. The estimates were recently released by the Society of Actuaries to its members.
While some states will see medical claims costs per person decline, the report concluded the overwhelming majority will see double-digit increases in their individual health insurance markets, where people purchase coverage directly from insurers.
The disparities are striking. By 2017, the estimated increase would be 62 percent for California, about 80 percent for Ohio, more than 20 percent for Florida and 67 percent for Maryland. Much of the reason for the higher claims costs is that sicker people are expected to join the pool, the report said.
The report did not make similar estimates for employer plans, the mainstay for workers and their families. That's because the primary impact of Obama's law is on people who don't have coverage through their jobs.

From: http://news.yahoo.co...--politics.html


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Posted 26 March 2013 - 08:09 PM

View PostKowalski, on 26 March 2013 - 07:23 PM, said:

That last sentence is a bit forgiving of the situation. The higher costs to employers can and will affect the coverage people have through their jobs in many negative ways.
I see a lot of these studies. Has there been a study that shows costs to be lowered or do we just have obamas word and his conviction that this is what the majority of the country wants?

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 12:02 PM

View PostStartraveler, on 25 March 2013 - 11:39 PM, said:

That's why low-to-middle income people get financial assistance to pay for insurance. If they're buying insurance on their own, their financial contribution is capped at a certain percentage of their income.

Financial assistance from who? We already spend around a trillion more then we make per year. Where the hell is that money gonna come from? Our great great grandchildren?

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 07:01 PM

You know it doesn't matter preacherman. It's designed to fail so that the real solution can be implemented one day and the people who wrote it know that total government control is the only solution.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 07:07 PM

I agree it is designed to fail. How fast will it fail. I think fairly fast.


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Posted 27 March 2013 - 07:33 PM

So it turns out there were some shortcomings and a lack of oversight in the creation and implementation of the ACA. All efforts and finances have been exhausted in our efforts to remedy the situation. The problems looked to be fixable but do to republican interference, less than admirable employers who've chosen money over the general well being of their employees and the rhetoric of the extreme right faction of the media and elsewhere it seems that failure of the ACA was the only option that they'd accept. The wealthy have remained wealthy while the middle class has shrunk and poverty grows.
All hope is not yet lost. I believe, here in my hands is a bill, that we have finally come up with a solution. It is going to require the strength of the will of the people of the nation and a massive effort on behalf of the richest Americans. I believe that through raising taxes the federal government can fully support the weight of controlling the entire healthcare industry. Imagine you can go to the hospital at any time for anything and not walk out with a bill. A healthier nation will ensue and a healthier nation can get back to work.
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