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[Yamato]

"Stability" and "security" are the buzz-words of tyrants.

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Yamato, on 08 January 2013 - 03:15 AM, said:

"Stability" and "security" are the buzz-words of tyrants.

Yeah...can't have any of THAT going on now can we?

[Yamato]

and then, on 08 January 2013 - 09:58 AM, said:

Yeah...can't have any of THAT going on now can we?

From King Obama?   No, it's completely unnecessary.

Did the Founders find security to be their first priority?   Did they let instability stop them?   Why should we?   Tyranny always resists these efforts.  Instability is always a threat to its power.  It will always chide and mock revolutionary ideas and attitudes.  It will encourage people to think in ways that would have made the United States impossible to begin with.   Refreshing the liberty tree isn't just a one-shot deal.  It requires maintenance.  Which we can either discuss whether or not that includes blood.  But I'll skip the blood and merely state that it might take some instability.   And global security, one's favorite foreigners' security, national security, social security, and private security might not always be possible either.   I know how troubling liberty lovers are to security experts.

[wittyusernamefailed]

In the interest of understanding this FSA group; are there any large factions that are of a decided humanist/secular bent? I'm just concerned (as i am sure many people int he world are) that is happening in Egypt will happen to Syria when Assad eventually does fall ( that is a heavily radicalized Islamic group all but seizing power) Maybe it's just me but the more someone says Allah ackbar/praise Jesus/ whatever jews say... it makes me uncomfortable. You can usually bet the house that legislated morality is not far behind.

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wittyusernamefailed, on 09 January 2013 - 04:39 AM, said:

In the interest of understanding this FSA group; are there any large factions that are of a decided humanist/secular bent? I'm just concerned (as i am sure many people int he world are) that is happening in Egypt will happen to Syria when Assad eventually does fall ( that is a heavily radicalized Islamic group all but seizing power) Maybe it's just me but the more someone says Allah ackbar/praise Jesus/ whatever jews say... it makes me uncomfortable. You can usually bet the house that legislated morality is not far behind.

If so, we seem to be fighting off the tendency admirably in the west.  But I agree that theocracies are a mistake.

[the L]

and then, on 09 January 2013 - 07:47 PM, said:

But I agree that theocracies are a mistake.

Because we live in that type of civilization.
Look Vatican.
Or perhaps look Ancient Egypt. They lasted very much longer then your state.

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the L, on 09 January 2013 - 09:22 PM, said:

Because we live in that type of civilization.
Look Vatican.
Or perhaps look Ancient Egypt. They lasted very much longer then your state.

True, but that doesn't mean they were good places for the human beings who lived there does it?  If the citizens of a country are all of the same faith and WANT to be ruled by leaders who use the laws of the faith to govern then great, no problem.  But I don't remember a single instance where that has been true.  Look how the Afghans first reacted to being free from the Taliban.  Yes, they came to hate US and coalition troops because of mistakes that were made and cultural insults and insensitivity but at first they were OVERJOYED to be rid of the oppressive rule of the mullahs.  The same would be true in a Christian theocracy where extremists ruled - Puritan America is an example.  My point is that men who claim to speak for God and want power for themselves is a very bad combination, IMO.