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[Jinxdom]

When I was security for Wal-Mart I was told this(the undercover that Coldethyl stated, was really a fun job), Let them go the camera's will be enough to get enough information for the crime to be resolved. It is safer to let them go and handle it after the fact. Life isn't replaceable like material objects and violence has a tendency to affect sales in a negative light.

The guy was playing cowboy for no good reason. Stealing is a fine and some jail time not death. The guy wanted to play judge, jury and executioner, he wasn't a(acting like a) cop at that moment and shouldn't be treated as such. (Unless of course she was trying to kill the guy while trying to get out which I doubt)

Edited by Jinxdom, 11 December 2012 - 11:13 AM.

[BiffSplitkins]

Insaniac, on 10 December 2012 - 02:35 PM, said:

Aren't cops trained to think rationally? Then again I didn't watch the video and don't want to, as it sounds awful. A mother gunned down infront of her child is never the right thing to do.

I think defending himself while being dragged between the door and seat of a moving vehicle is pretty rational. If I felt that my life was in danger like that, I wouldn't care if the pope was in the car. Shots will be fired.
So you are saying that he should have just let himself be dragged to death by theives? That wouldn't have the same traumatic effect on the children in the car?

coldethyl, on 11 December 2012 - 02:51 AM, said:

You don't like them?  Don't call them ever.  For anything.  You have a break in or get in a car accident, suck it up.

well said. I have friends that are police officers and some of the stories that they tell me are truly unbelievable.

[Insaniac]

BiffSplitkins, on 11 December 2012 - 12:40 PM, said:

I think defending himself while being dragged between the door and seat of a moving vehicle is pretty rational. If I felt that my life was in danger like that, I wouldn't care if the pope was in the car. Shots will be fired.
So you are saying that he should have just let himself be dragged to death by theives? That wouldn't have the same traumatic effect on the children in the car?

Well, like I said I haven't watched the clip as it sounds awful, but if the woman was trying to kill him then shooting to incapacitate would be the best thing he could have done, I think. Sounds like a really bad situation for everybody involved: Officer gets squashed, criminal gets murdered, children lose their mother.

Now, could running down the cop have a traumatizing effect on the children? It's possible. Though I'd have thought hearing loud "BANG's" and noticing ones mother has just been killed would have a further traumatic effect on them.

However this being said, I wish I could say I've met some nice cops. I've met curious officer's before but thats about it.

As for Ryu, we can't blame him for his disgust at police officer behavior regarding the news and Youtube, especially if he lives in America. Seems the majority of cops there are psychopaths and Youtube contains the proof.

Take care and peace out.

[BiffSplitkins]

Insaniac, on 11 December 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

Well, like I said I haven't watched the clip as it sounds awful, but if the woman was trying to kill him then shooting to incapacitate would be the best thing he could have done, I think. Sounds like a really bad situation for everybody involved: Officer gets squashed, criminal gets murdered, children lose their mother.

Regardless of which is more traumatic, who put the children in that situation in the first place?

[Tyminator]

Insaniac, on 11 December 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

As for Ryu, we can't blame him for his disgust at police officer behavior regarding the news and Youtube, especially if he lives in America. Seems the majority of cops there are psychopaths and Youtube contains the proof.

No, please, present me with this proof. Show me that the majority of American officers are psychopaths. How can you even make that statement if you don't even live here? That's like me saying that British officers are stupid for not carrying firearms. I can't make that decision without living there and actually knowing what life is like over there. You're stereotyping America and it is unwarranted

[Insaniac]

BiffSplitkins, on 11 December 2012 - 02:40 PM, said:

Regardless of which is more traumatic, who put the children in that situation in the first place?

Theft doesn't justify murder, Biff.

Even if the officer was between the seat and the door, he should've either forced himself into the vehicle or let go. It's better than taking a life.

Like I said, this was a really bad incident all around: Store gets robbed, officer almost gets injured, woman gets gunned down, children left traumatized.

[BiffSplitkins]

Insaniac, on 11 December 2012 - 03:19 PM, said:

Theft doesn't justify murder, Biff.

Even if the officer was between the seat and the door, he should've either forced himself into the vehicle or let go. It's better than taking a life.

Like I said, this was a really bad incident all around: Store gets robbed, officer almost gets injured, woman gets gunned down, children left traumatized.

I agree that it's a bad situation all around. It's just too bad that the children had a mother that put them in that situation in the first place.

[Insaniac]

Tyminator, on 11 December 2012 - 02:51 PM, said:

No, please, present me with this proof. Show me that the majority of American officers are psychopaths. How can you even make that statement if you don't even live here? That's like me saying that British officers are stupid for not carrying firearms. I can't make that decision without living there and actually knowing what life is like over there. You're stereotyping America and it is unwarranted.

If majority of police were do-gooders, whats there to get offended over?

I had 4 pages worth of US police brutality videos, but UM won't allow me to post due to 'too many media files.' Deleted all but 5 and still wouldn't let me post the links. Sorry.

Youtube is full of evidence. If you want your proof, it's all stored there.

[Ryu]

I was going to reply in regards to what someone said to or about me but thought it would be pointless.

All I will say is that you can not "un-kill" someone no matter how hard and loud you pray, scream and chant.
Dead is dead..forever. It's not a video game where a potion brings them back. No reset button, no anything.

An object can be replaced but a life..in this case a mother...her life is gone, regardless of what she has stolen her kids no longer have mommy and what's worse is they had to witness her killing.
They will learn something but it is not going to be what we think.

Edited by Ryu, 11 December 2012 - 06:17 PM.

[Insaniac]

Ryu, on 11 December 2012 - 06:12 PM, said:

I was going to reply in regards to what someone said to or about me but thought it would be pointless.

All I will say is that you can not "un-kill" someone no matter how hard and loud you pray, scream and chant.
Dead is dead..forever. It's not a video game where a potion brings them back. No reset button, no anything.

An object can be replaced but a life..in this case a mother...her life is gone, regardless of what she has stolen her kids no longer have mommy and what's worse is they had to witness her killing.
They will learn something but it is not going to be what we think.

They'll probably learn intolerance & bias towards police officers, and after a case like this, who can blame them?

[susieice]

I don't know where everyone is getting this " the officer was between the seat and the door" from. I haven't heard anything like this said. Did I miss something I shouldn't have?

[Insaniac]

susieice, on 12 December 2012 - 05:19 AM, said:

I don't know where everyone is getting this " the officer was between the seat and the door" from. I haven't heard anything like this said. Did I miss something I shouldn't have?

I think Biff first mentioned it. Either that or I'm going insane. I didn't want to watch the vid, so I can't really say what happened.

[BiffSplitkins]

susieice, on 12 December 2012 - 05:19 AM, said:

I don't know where everyone is getting this " the officer was between the seat and the door" from. I haven't heard anything like this said. Did I miss something I shouldn't have?

It was on a radio news report that I heard on my way into work the other morning. I just found this to back it up.

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Andrews began to drive away while the deputy was standing between the open door and the driver's seat.

'She threw it in reverse and tried to run over the deputy,' said Harris County Sheriff's Office spokesperson Deputy Thomas Gilliland.
LINK

Edit to add this from the same article: So it looks like we may have more confused about this than originally thought

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Inside the car as it was speeding away were two small children - investigators have said that they were not Frey's children.

Edited by BiffSplitkins, 12 December 2012 - 06:07 PM.

[Beckys_Mom]

Shot her in front of her kids?  Holy pancakes that's low.  ..Those kids will never be able to shake that vision from their minds.. It will haunt them.  I know the mother put them into horrid situation of shoplifting.. but I don't think her or the kids expects that? ...   I didn't know security guards had guns !!

Edited by Beckys_Mom, 12 December 2012 - 09:22 PM.

[Cassea]

They were not her children.  She was a violent thief who tried to run into the cop when she got caught.   It is terrible that she was killed.  The poor security guard.  I'm sure he didn't mean to kill her.  She ended her own life, ruined the security guards.  And also her children's lives. Or maybe they are better off without her. If this is how she lived imagine how they would grow up?