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#4126    synchronomy

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 04:41 PM

View Postzoser, on 11 November 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

Look carefully at the first couple of seconds of the Fraserburgh footage.  It looks as if a saucer shape is discernable.  The footage itself isn't as clear as it could be; poor Morag it was all she had!
It's really difficult to get any detail from that video.  I see a lot of large "blocky" pixels, and I wonder if the video has been enlarged or zoomed before posting,  Also, it's too bad there are no landmarks visible to give a sense of perspective.

For the Denbigh video, you should really have a look at the uploaders channel.  He is an amateur filmaker.  Have a look at his paranomal section.  Perhaps his enthusiasm to cover a topic is clouding the reality of the situation.

Peter Glynn Films:
http://www.youtube.c...F1&feature=plcp

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 04:42 PM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 11 November 2012 - 04:33 PM, said:

I would put the whole thing out there if I thought it was genuine.  Why would I hide parts of it?  What value would that provide for the field of UFOlogy?

Don't UFOlogists always deride the government for supposedly hiding evidence?  Double standard zoser... think about it.





How can we know what else is in the remaining footage without seeing it?





Again, you have absolutely no reason to link these two events together.  No reason at all.





Not really.

The lights flashing giving the appearance of rotation is one thing; the inclination of the row of light also looks the same.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 04:44 PM

View Postsynchronomy, on 11 November 2012 - 04:41 PM, said:

It's really difficult to get any detail from that video.  I see a lot of large "blocky" pixels, and I wonder if the video has been enlarged or zoomed before posting,  Also, it's too bad there are no landmarks visible to give a sense of perspective.

For the Denbigh video, you should really have a look at the uploaders channel.  He is an amateur filmaker.  Have a look at his paranomal section.  Perhaps his enthusiasm to cover a topic is clouding the reality of the situation.

Peter Glynn Films:
http://www.youtube.c...F1&feature=plcp

Doubting the integrity of the evidence again?  If he is a film maker could that be why the family asked him to represent them because of his reputation?  If you watch all 8 parts that's the impression given by the mother.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 04:51 PM

Just to remind ourselves of the testimonies.

The boy at Denbigh said he saw a saucer with spinning lights.

Quoth Morag from Fraserburgh:

Ms Ritchie describes seeing a circular object hovering and spinning above her home in Fraserburgh Aberdeeshire

Edit: typos

Edited by zoser, 11 November 2012 - 05:10 PM.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 04:53 PM

View Postzoser, on 11 November 2012 - 04:44 PM, said:

Doubting the integrity of the evidence again?  If he is a film maker could that be why the family asked him to represent them because of his reputation?  If you watch all 8 parts that's the impression given by the mother.
I feel it's in doubt until he responds to my comment.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 04:56 PM

View Postsynchronomy, on 11 November 2012 - 04:53 PM, said:

I feel it's in doubt until he responds to my comment.

I know what you are saying.  Lets hope we hear more.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 05:07 PM

View Postzoser, on 11 November 2012 - 04:51 PM, said:

Just to remind ourselves of the testimonies.

The boy at Benbigh said he saw a saucer with spinning lights.

Quoth Morag from Fraserburgh:

Ms Ritchie describes seeing a circular object hovering and spinning above her home in Fraserburgh Aberdenshire.
I realize that.
When dealing with UFO research, the terms "testimony" and "evidence" have radically different meanings from the legal terms used in a court of law.
Remember in the Disclosure Project, all the witnesses stated that they were willing to testify under oath before Congress.  The important part of their statement was "willing".  Their "testimony" at the DP was not given under oath, and unfortunately some of them were shown to be telling tall tales.
In a Court of Law, providing false testimony can result in serious charges with offenders doing serious time behind bars.
Unfortunately, when it comes to UFO testimony and evidence, the consequences of lying are trivial by comparison.

So we need to always look for multiple witnesses and video whenever possible with UFO cases.  Even when witnesses are labelled as "trained observers" or "experts", it can mean little.

I agree that there are similarities in the appearance of the videos, but we need more to be pointing to the ETH.
What we have here are two videos that fall into the "unexplained" category.

Let's see what the Denbigh video fellow has to say about posting the other few minutes of the event.  If all that was recorded is more of exactly what we have seen so far, then he should have nothing to worry about.  It won't cost him anything but a few minutes of his time to post it.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 05:15 PM

View Post1963, on 11 November 2012 - 01:23 PM, said:


Interesting that the BBC footage didn't look the same?  I presume the BBC was the original and the youtube zoomed in?

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 05:51 PM

View Postsynchronomy, on 11 November 2012 - 03:51 PM, said:

I found the omission of 8 minutes strange too.  I got the feeling that dragging it out to 8 parts, and his mention of it going viral with number of "hits" etc,  that perhaps a little revenue was hoped for out of this.  They are entitled to it, but to me it knocks the credibility down a notch.

I hope that he replies to your comment with something.



View Postsynchronomy, on 11 November 2012 - 03:51 PM, said:

Also, I mentioned the chimneys as a possible source of the lights in post #4078.  (sorry for not using multiquote, I usually bugger it up and have to write my posts again)

From #4078, I said:

Here's a "could be" idea I have:

"The "lights" don't seem to have a distinct shape and seem to vary in brightness and size, and flicker somewhat.
There are drifting up and to the right.
As claimed in the video, I see no "saucer" shape.

There are a few chimneys in the area, so I think it may be someone burning newspaper or something similar in their fireplace. I've seen that happen when the papers will drift right out the chimney while still burning.
I don't get a "UFO feeling" about this sighting at all."

The more I look at it, the more it looks like it is along the line of the hill in the background.  Doesn't seem to line up with the chimneys at all actually.

Still looking though.


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Posted 11 November 2012 - 06:48 PM

View Postzoser, on 11 November 2012 - 04:51 PM, said:

Just to remind ourselves of the testimonies.

The boy at Denbigh said he saw a saucer with spinning lights.

Quoth Morag from Fraserburgh:

Ms Ritchie describes seeing a circular object hovering and spinning above her home in Fraserburgh Aberdeeshire

Edit: typos
I can just picture Morag from Fraserburgh. I bet she wears a headscarf and waits by the kitchen door of her farmhouse with a rolling pin for when her husband gets home after a night with his cronies on the Whisky (brewed on an illicit Still in the cowshed of one of the neighbours, of course). Or Plaid. I bet she wears Plaid. Anyone called Morag ought to, surely.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 06:54 PM

View Post747400, on 11 November 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

I can just picture Morag from Fraserburgh. I bet she wears a headscarf and waits by the kitchen door of her farmhouse with a rolling pin for when her husband gets home after a night with his cronies on the Whisky (brewed on an illicit Still in the cowshed of one of the neighbours, of course). Or Plaid. I bet she wears Plaid. Anyone called Morag ought to, surely.

You know her then?

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 06:58 PM

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Interesting that both sightings were in the early hours,  The Fraserburgh sighting lasted for several hours.  Not surprising that few people caught it at that time being so early in such a desolate spot.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 08:14 PM

The Problem with Eyewitness Testimony



Several studies have been conducted on human memory and on subjects’ propensity to remember erroneously events and details that did not occur.


http://agora.stanfor...her&tversky.htm



Edited by DBunker, 11 November 2012 - 08:15 PM.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 08:21 PM

View PostDBunker, on 11 November 2012 - 08:14 PM, said:

The Problem with Eyewitness Testimony



Several studies have been conducted on human memory and on subjects’ propensity to remember erroneously events and details that did not occur.


http://agora.stanfor...her&tversky.htm



I do believe this kind of thing has been posted before; it solves nothing but if it helps people to sleep better at night then fine,

Thank you Mr D.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 08:48 PM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 11 November 2012 - 05:51 PM, said:

I hope that he replies to your comment with something.





The more I look at it, the more it looks like it is along the line of the hill in the background.  Doesn't seem to line up with the chimneys at all actually.

Still looking though.


Hi Boony!,Zoser!, and Synch!

I'll go out on a lim here... :innocent:

I discussed this particular case on another forum some months ago. And remember dismissing it, because for if nothing-else, my gut-feeling was that it was a hoax perpetrated by the whole family. [including  the family documentary maker]...Not that they deliberately created the anomalous-looking sight!...but rather, they know exactly what they had filmed, and decided that it looked mysterious enough to "Cash In" on the damn-thing!
The 'chimney idea'  never crossed my mind.[and still seems rather remote]..But I do still favour 'something-on-the-hill theory'...And reviewing the first instalment of the "Genuine UFO" film,..I noticed that the lady mentions that the lights emanated from the general direction of "The Denbigh Golf Club"!....And being an occasional [but excellent] golfer myself,...I know that my own golf club does it's general maintenance through the night!....And I hope that I am not being too sceptical here,...but after watching the tape again, I believe that a group of brightly-lit ground-staff vehicles , innocently going about their duties,...might just look like the "Genuine UFO" in the Denbigh film?

Anyway...I have left a message via the club's website, requesting information on any 'nocturnal maintenance work' that could possibly have been carried out on or about the 3rd of january.
...It is late sunday evening here...So i'll wait and see if i'm anywhere near the mark on this one. :whistle:


Cheers buddy.

Edited by 1963, 11 November 2012 - 08:50 PM.

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