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#16    krypter3

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 04:21 PM

View Postpantodragon, on 14 March 2013 - 02:59 PM, said:

This, to me, is precisely what art is NOT.  What you are saying is that you ‘design’ your writing so that it stands out from the crowd, which means that you are not writing what you like.  In other words, you are letting ‘the crowd’ dictate to you what you should be writing.  This, to me, is a travesty of what art should be: self-expression, stuff that is dictated to you by your own likes and dislikes, your own ‘tastes’, your own ideas about what is good, something that there is no point in doing unless you LIKE doing it – the kind of thing you are talking about is the kind of thing that professional writers usually do and it makes writing HARD WORK such that it becomes difficult to keep going.



This is anathema to me.  I’m not big on emotionalism.  This is really manipulation.  And again, it’s letting others dictate what you should be writing.

You asked opinion, what we thought of art and I believe art much like beauty, as it's in the eye of the beholder.  You say that it's a travesty and that I'm letting others dictate what I right, it is quite the opposite.  I write what I want to write, I aim to tell the story that I want to tell.  I know people may not like my story, and my works may never get published.  That does not bother me in the slightest.  I am happy to tell my story the way I want, but seeing your work cause someone to feel, gives you a sense of gratification that you get from nothing else.  How is that manipulation, how is it a travesty that I find it humbling and touching that my art can make someone feel.

To your other statement, yes all these things illicit emotion from people and no it is not art.  The way you talk, you come across as if you think emotion has no place in Art.  If you truly believe this, then what is the point of art if it is not a source of emotion.

We are governed by emotion, whether you are a poet, musician or painter. A priest or a serial killer.  Whether your a mother, father, sister, brother.  If you have pets, your house, your belongings.  Everything that we have, buy or do, GOOD or BAD is dictated by the emotions that we FEEL.  Art is emotion, whether it's causing someone to feel or the very act of creation itself.  I read in another thread that you draw and write.  Why?  Why do you do these things, what makes you an Artist.  Why are you driven to create these constructs of your imagination.

The very definition of art....The expression or application of human creative skill and imagination.

Expression....what is the definition of Expression...The process of making known one's thoughts or feelings.

Emotion is art.  Even if your the only one who feels that emotion.

So if by your logic, emotion is manipulation and has no place in art.  Than how do you find the drive to write and draw.  What force makes you want to produce a work of art and why?  
In your opening post you say that other people's art is factitious and not deserving of the term 'art'.  I ask you, what makes you think you have the right to tell other's that their creations are worthless.  Because you don't feel anything when you see them, because you think they are dirty old pictures or when you read the words you find no heart in them.  

That does not mean they aren't works of art.  They are expressions of a singular person.  A person who exists only once in a life time.  We are not privy to the inner workings of most's artists, we may speculate but never know why Leonardo De Vinci painted the Mona Lisa.  We know that it was not some silly painting he did overnight on the whim of others.  It's obvious you don't agree with how some of us see Art, and we don't agree with you.

But that is your opinion.  Everyone is entitled to it.

But in the long run.  Art is the expression of one's inner emotion, no matter how you see it.  So even if your in the opinion that many of the greatest art works in the world are travesties, that does not make them any less important.

You contradict yourself in your opening argument.  You say that we have been lead to believe that art hanging in galleries are better than works we can produce.  And that they are not, then you say it's a travesty that people believe our great world art is better than art on sites like Deviantart.  You are doing the exact same thing you are trying to argue against.  You are objectifying other people's art as unworthy of being art.  Why, because they became popular?  

I ask the question again, if you think it's so terrible that people tell us  that popular art is better than ours.  What gives you the right to call other people's art work, popular or not, nonsense.  


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 04:32 PM

Ah!  What a relief.  That's the button -- emotions.


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 04:35 PM

I better elaborate: we have anger, sadness, pity, joy, and we have another emotion.  Appreciation, awe -- oh just call it art.


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 04:57 PM

View Postkrypter3, on 14 March 2013 - 04:21 PM, said:

You asked opinion, what we thought of art and I believe art much like beauty, as it's in the eye of the beholder.  

Very well said!Stole the words from me haha

"Art reveals itself in psychic understanding of the inner essence of things and gives form to the relation of man with nothing,with the nature of the absolute." Bruce Lee

Just because the OP does not recognize anothers art does not make it meaningless,it just means not all understand what someone elses art is trying to say.

"If it is not advantageous,do not move.If objectives can not be attained,do not employ the army.Unless endangered do not engage in warfare.The ruler cannot mobilize the army out of personal anger.The general can not engage in battle because of personal frustration.When it is advantageous,move;when not advantageous,stop.Anger can revert to happiness,annoyance can revert to joy,but a vanquished state cannot be revived,the dead cannot be brought back to life." Sun-Tzu

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 05:26 PM

Wow I didn't know Bruce Lee had that much BS in him.


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 05:29 PM

Art is how creativity manifests itself, art isn't necessarily a beautiful masterpiece it can be as basic as a pencil stroke or a word on a page, Art is what it becomes when others see something in what you create.


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 07:16 PM

I think greatest art are creations no one else but that specific artist could accomplish. There has been only one Michelangelo, only one Rembrandt, only one Picasso. The same with the greatest artists in every genre. There is something in these creations that stand above talent and technique, something in their art that touches or intrigues us in their unique way that is missing from lesser good artists.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 08:13 PM

I think art isn't something that can be described very easily. Mostly because it can take so many forms, sculptures, paintings, music, writing, dancing, shows, archietecture. I'd say all are forms of art.

All of those things can make you feel something, inside of you. Happiness, sadness, anger. All of those things can touch you in so many ways. And it's all subjective. Some may look at the Mona Lisa and see the most beautiful work of art they've ever seen. Some will see it and think it's the worst. I don't think there's any work of art that every single person will agree is fantastic, nor do I think there's one everyone would think is the worst.

So I guess I'd say art is something a person has created or made, in any way of a myriad of ways.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 10:58 PM

Fine art is the beauty of that single fleeting moment. It lasts only for a brief moment before it disappears. Art Is and Explosion!


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 11:04 PM

What? Deidara, you call fine art and explosion? Art is something wonderful that's left long into the future... Eternal Beauty!


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 11:07 PM

Sasori, my man, you will never truly understand art...


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Posted 14 March 2013 - 11:08 PM

No, Deidara, you are the one who will never appreciate art, you will never understand, you fool...


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Posted 15 March 2013 - 05:35 PM

Really?


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Posted 15 March 2013 - 06:49 PM

Art is one of those things about us we can't pin down because it is outside physical explanation.  Standards and tastes change a little on the edges, and cultures have different techniques and instruments, but all have art that all can recognize as art.


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Posted 18 March 2013 - 04:19 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 14 March 2013 - 05:26 PM, said:

Wow I didn't know Bruce Lee had that much BS in him.

Almost as much BS in him as pee in your cornflakes judging by some of your recent post i have seen :lol:

Whats been up with the bad mood recently frank?

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