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Posted 04 February 2013 - 08:40 PM

Good and evil are made up human concepts.

Now, who wants a drink and a smoke?

Edited by Hasina, 04 February 2013 - 08:40 PM.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 08:47 PM

View PostHasina, on 04 February 2013 - 08:40 PM, said:

Good and evil are made up human concepts.

Now, who wants a drink and a smoke?

View PostHasina, on 04 February 2013 - 08:40 PM, said:

Good and evil are made up human concepts.

Now, who wants a drink and a smoke?

If i didnt have to go train in about an hour i would say Me,Me,Me lol

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 10:32 PM

View PostHasina, on 04 February 2013 - 08:40 PM, said:

Good and evil are made up human concepts.

Now, who wants a drink and a smoke?

What line of thought does this come from? Wars are being fought, people are being tortured, people are being murdered, women are being raped, children are being molested and prisons and hell are full of evil doers.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 10:39 PM

View Postnotforgotten, on 04 February 2013 - 10:32 PM, said:



What line of thought does this come from? Wars are being fought, people are being tortured, people are being murdered, women are being raped, children are being molested and prisons and hell are full of evil doers.
What are these wars being fought over? Can you say which side is 'good' and which side is 'evil'? Torture, murder, rape, yes, it all happens, but these are just actions, we deem them evil because they injure a living thing, or kill a living thing, or force sex on a living thing. If your side tortured the enemy, killed the enemy, you would view it as a good thing, if the other side did it? Evil.

Then there's nature, where all these things happen but it's nether evil nor good, it's nature. Humans are animals, and while we can cognitively stop ourselves from acting, we still act in manners that are just animalistic, because we're just another animal.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 10:56 PM

View PostHasina, on 04 February 2013 - 10:39 PM, said:

What are these wars being fought over? Can you say which side is 'good' and which side is 'evil'? Torture, murder, rape, yes, it all happens, but these are just actions, we deem them evil because they injure a living thing, or kill a living thing, or force sex on a living thing. If your side tortured the enemy, killed the enemy, you would view it as a good thing, if the other side did it? Evil.

Then there's nature, where all these things happen but it's nether evil nor good, it's nature. Humans are animals, and while we can cognitively stop ourselves from acting, we still act in manners that are just animalistic, because we're just another animal.

Torture and murder are evil regardless of the side one is on. An evil is an evil dispite sides.


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Posted 04 February 2013 - 11:03 PM

View Postnotforgotten, on 04 February 2013 - 10:56 PM, said:



Torture and murder are evil regardless of the side one is on. An evil is an evil dispite sides.
Torture and murder are human concepts in my opinion. Is a tarantula wasp torturing the spider when it paralyzes it to lay it's eggs in? Sure you can say it's critical to their life cycle, but many would justify torture by saying it was crucial to the protection of others and what if it did so, but his own people of course, a good thing in their eyes, yet evil to you because there is torture.

If someone kills another in self-defense, would that be evil?

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 11:21 PM

View PostHasina, on 04 February 2013 - 11:03 PM, said:

Torture and murder are human concepts in my opinion. Is a tarantula wasp torturing the spider when it paralyzes it to lay it's eggs in? Sure you can say it's critical to their life cycle, but many would justify torture by saying it was crucial to the protection of others and what if it did so, but his own people of course, a good thing in their eyes, yet evil to you because there is torture.

If someone kills another in self-defense, would that be evil?
Yes, but the person would not be evil in doing so. The killing itself is still an evil.


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Posted 04 February 2013 - 11:26 PM

If I'm understanding this right...

The devil, with evil intent, sends us dreams tempting us to partake again of a drug or alcohol we have partaken of before, presumably while awake.
What about when one is awake? If the devil is tempting a return through dreams... Was he also whispering over ones shoulder the first time that substance was taken, or egging on the continuing use of it?

Is this supposed to be THE DEVIL- as in an evil entity of the supernatural/paranormal realm? Or the devil, as in the personal demon everyone has inside them? I mean this in their own troubles, or sorrows of a mental and/or emotional nature.

I wholeheartedly believe in the devil- I don't think I know of anyone that does not have a personal demon or few locked up with the skeletons in the closet. With substance use and addiction, those devils can be stirred up.. And yes indeed, dreams would be part of that. Even when one is asleep, the mind is still working on things. Sometimes things that aren't really acknowledged when we are awake.
All I can say about that is work through it. I think everyone is different in how they do it.

But let's say it's THE DEVIL- an entity with ill intent. Well then I suppose there is help there too. There are a lot of different notions on how to help block out negative whatever, sleep more peacefully under guardian powers.. ect. I won't vouch for any of it working or not... But even if it only brings a little peace of mind, that can of itself bring a little less devil into sleep.


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Posted 04 February 2013 - 11:28 PM

View PostCrimsonKing, on 04 February 2013 - 08:36 PM, said:



I was not trying to be demeaning of your subject,and believe me i know all about the people you speak of i am originally from new orleans you see these people on a daily basis,work with them,even can be friendly with some.The demon is in themselves,and yes i very much believe negative energy follows close behind.Though i dont put that energy into biblical terms.Do not always assume people dont know what they are talking about just because they have a different way of seeing things.

Sorry if it sounded like I meant "you" didnt know what your talking about... I think outside of the bible too when I mention demons I'm talking about real devils affecting real people on the earth right here and now. I didn't think you were demeaning me... your post was just the start of my thought.. I wasnt trying to argue or demean you either.. I dont assume you dont know what your talking about, I watched a video about the shaman drug work, thats different than what I meant about drug use because the shaman has a specific spiritual objective and is there to guide the experience (at least in the video I've seen)... I do want to thank you for your rebuttal. I'll be more careful in the future with my tone and my wording. I think since this site has a lot of opposition in opinions we may think to be quoted is an attack and that the entire quote is for the quoted only.. I kinda just used your quote as a jumping board... and as far as the people who know what thier talking about thing I was referring to hoping that people with real demonic and drug related understanding wouldn't be afraid to post.. I think there is a lot of fear and shame regarding these topics and people should start opening up, both for their own healing and to help others.. thats what I meant. :)

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 11:43 PM

View PostHasina, on 04 February 2013 - 10:39 PM, said:

What are these wars being fought over? Can you say which side is 'good' and which side is 'evil'? Torture, murder, rape, yes, it all happens, but these are just actions, we deem them evil because they injure a living thing, or kill a living thing, or force sex on a living thing. If your side tortured the enemy, killed the enemy, you would view it as a good thing, if the other side did it? Evil.

Then there's nature, where all these things happen but it's nether evil nor good, it's nature. Humans are animals, and while we can cognitively stop ourselves from acting, we still act in manners that are just animalistic, because we're just another animal.
Interesting, but  I can say that evil is a reality. I mean yes animals do terrible things to one another but thats because they are lower life forms, we humans are unique and special and need to rise above our animal instincts so while it's true that in the animal level of being all things are neutral, on the human and super human levels morality is as real as sunshine and air


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Posted 05 February 2013 - 12:04 AM

View Postrashore, on 04 February 2013 - 11:26 PM, said:

If I'm understanding this right...

The devil, with evil intent, sends us dreams tempting us to partake again of a drug or alcohol we have partaken of before, presumably while awake.
We are discussing dreams, but this happens to some people who have evil spirits in their lives while they are awake.
What about when one is awake? If the devil is tempting a return through dreams... Was he also whispering over ones shoulder the first time that substance was taken, or egging on the continuing use of it? Some people can experience this while awake with a real voice entering their ears.

Is this supposed to be THE DEVIL- as in an evil entity of the supernatural/paranormal realm? Both human and demon devils partake in temptation. Or the devil, as in the personal demon everyone has inside them? No, a real entity. I mean this in their own troubles, or sorrows of a mental and/or emotional nature.

I wholeheartedly believe in the devil- I don't think I know of anyone that does not have a personal demon or few locked up with the skeletons in the closet. With substance use and addiction, those devils can be stirred up.. And yes indeed, dreams would be part of that. Even when one is asleep, the mind is still working on things. Sometimes things that aren't really acknowledged when we are awake.
All I can say about that is work through it. I think everyone is different in how they do it.

But let's say it's THE DEVIL- an entity with ill intent. Well then I suppose there is help there too. There are a lot of different notions on how to help block out negative whatever, sleep more peacefully under guardian powers.. ect. I won't vouch for any of it working or not... But even if it only brings a little peace of mind, that can of itself bring a little less devil into sleep.

You can witness the powers of the angels in dreams, fallen and otherwise. Thank you for your post.


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Posted 05 February 2013 - 06:19 AM

View PostThe Silver Thong, on 04 February 2013 - 04:11 AM, said:


Didn`t think you would as your saviour liked to bend his elbow alot.

What is this? Are you trying to be funny, or just hostile?

The clear and present difference between having a cup of wine and ruining your life by abusing and being addicted by the effect are such blatantly different things that has me scratching my head on what your intent was saying these rude things.

Whether your aim was to hit some person who believes in a religion that you don't or not, your shot has hit the past drug/alcohol abuser (and current addictive personality that will likely never go away) in me.

All that aside, I think the OP is trying to put a face/name/etc to things they find undesirable or fear. I think dreams come from the deep mind, something not evil or good. It just is.

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Posted 05 February 2013 - 06:43 AM

Well I had an experience that was quite the opposite. A couple years ago, I tried ecstasy. Yes it was awesome.

Later I had a dream where I was literally on it. I had the same sensations,  same idiotic actions that would occur on it. Everything.  And it was one of the most vivid dreams I ever had.  

In the dream I was running around this shipping center and I ran past a store with a hostage situation taking place.  After I realized what was happening in that store I did not know what to do because I was on drugs.  It made me realize that I will NEVER do ecstacy again. What if I was all twacked out and something serious happened in real life? There would be nothing I could do.  I would just have to live knowing I could have changed something if I was sober in the same situation.  

So for me, my dream convinced me to never do bad drugs again. And yes, not all "drugs" are bad.


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Posted 05 February 2013 - 05:14 PM

View Post_Only, on 05 February 2013 - 06:19 AM, said:


All that aside, I think the OP is trying to put a face/name/etc to things they find undesirable or fear. I think dreams come from the deep mind, something not evil or good. It just is.
This is the primary problem with paranormal or supernatural interpretation is that people believe that it was alll in their heads.


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Posted 05 February 2013 - 05:56 PM

View PostBlueogre2, on 04 February 2013 - 11:43 PM, said:

Interesting, but  I can say that evil is a reality. I mean yes animals do terrible things to one another but thats because they are lower life forms, we humans are unique and special and need to rise above our animal instincts so while it's true that in the animal level of being all things are neutral, on the human and super human levels morality is as real as sunshine and air
That's probably where this discussion would digress, since I think humans are just another animal, evolved from the same common ancestor as other primates and from there all life on this planet.

So no, I don't think evil has a name or a face, nor does good. They're illusions in our head, like country borders and the economy, only because we care about them, do they exist.





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