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#16    psyche101

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 03:50 AM

View PostIamsSon, on 03 May 2013 - 03:44 PM, said:

I don't think we necessarily have to invoke ET as soon as we determine intellgence (I'm assuming you're saying we've assumed intelligence but eliminated all known human intelligence).  We would have to consider the possibility of another inteliigent agency on the planet that has been able to maintain it's presence mostly hidden.  We may have to consider human intelligence in the form of time travelers, and even human intelligence from an Earth in a parallel universe.

So that what Bigfoot is all about huh?

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 03:53 AM

View Postbee, on 04 May 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:


You decide...he seems pretty sincere to me...and what has he got to lose being at death's door?



His sanity. And that is natural at an advanced age.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 03:58 AM

View PostSwampgasBalloonBoy, on 03 May 2013 - 11:57 PM, said:

Yep, Bob Lazar claimed to be a former Area 51 employee and have no evidence to back it up. We can see that even the guy in the article admitted to not having any paper trail either.

More than that, he made claims about things like element 115, which we eventually achieved, and he was way of the mark. The yearbook claim is just too silly for words.

View PostSwampgasBalloonBoy, on 03 May 2013 - 11:57 PM, said:

The govt do make threat and pays people to be quiet.

I do not think in the way that the woo woo sites make out. I think it is a great deal more sophisticated than plain dumb threats and would not be necessary for the likes of the people who claim to have been threatened.

All in all, I would like to see one of the people making such treasonous statements do so to a marines face. Never going to happen though. People can only take so much. Which reminds me of a funny clip that happened here on the Gold Coast, some drunk thought he would heckle a busker and got more than he bargained for.



View PostSwampgasBalloonBoy, on 03 May 2013 - 11:57 PM, said:

Lower level employee get paid equivalent to $7,200 in today money and can order steaks and lobsters anytime. Why wouldn't they keep secrete when asked to?

Sorry, not following you here.

View PostSwampgasBalloonBoy, on 03 May 2013 - 11:57 PM, said:

Commercial pilots are reliable witness. The pilot did see what he described. A monkey flying a plane. How was he to know that the military allowed their pilot to wear gorilla mask when flying? The pilot described exactly what he saw with no embellishment and got ridiculed. They even admitted that being ridiculed kept many pilots from coming forward with anything unusual they saw.

Yet every country has pilot, the UK pilots say they are not gagged like their American counterparts. And still, we have nothing more than some vague stories to speculate about. And under such circumstances, I think those instances are over-thought.

Edited by psyche101, 07 May 2013 - 04:02 AM.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 01:51 PM

View PostIamsSon, on 03 May 2013 - 03:44 PM, said:

I don't think we necessarily have to invoke ET as soon as we determine intellgence (I'm assuming you're saying we've assumed intelligence but eliminated all known human intelligence).  We would have to consider the possibility of another inteliigent agency on the planet that has been able to maintain it's presence mostly hidden.  We may have to consider human intelligence in the form of time travelers, and even human intelligence from an Earth in a parallel universe.

Hello and yes I did assume that human intelligence could safely be elliminated.....this in itself would be difficult but not impossible depending on how advance this 'intelligence' appeared to be, will elaborate slightly in my next post in response to S2F's pertinent question

To be honest I keep making the mistake of grouping the ETH and IDH (even time travellers) together when I say ET. I shall stop this as it creates much confusion and is obviously inaccurate

I would find


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:01 PM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 03 May 2013 - 05:24 PM, said:

Hey Quill, if you could manage to come up with a definition of intelligent control that excludes the randomness of natural phenomena I'd be greatly appreciative. So far I've never seen it defined strictly enough to account for that. I think if it could be defined thusly we might be able to make some progress on that front. I'm not going to hold my breath though. :tu:

Hey S2F...im sure we have touched on this before havent we?  It is however a key question, especially with Plasma ready to spoil the show. I think I would have to say the answer would have to have mathematics as opposed to strictly behavioural interpretation. We need to look for patterns and coincidences that would allow us to use mathematics to eliminate randomness. Maybe patterns that are not isolated to one event where even astronomical odds would still not convince of 'intelligence'.

Basically repetition of astronomical odds (mathematics) could allow us to accept intelligence at play.

i.e. A pilot says he speaks with HQ and says that he will engage the weapons (upon seeing a UFO)...at this point the UFO shoots off in an evasive manouveur (the evasive manouveur alone would be behavioural)...this event alone would show possible big odds in regards to the coincidence of timing (maths would give us an idea of this)....however this alone means very little, we would need this repeated a few times then I think the maths would tell us it isnt coincidence or randomness but displaying intelligence.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:46 PM

Col. French's admission that the Air Force did absurd debunking of UFOs is interesting, but not surprising. It has been known for many years that this occurred, and in situations which pretty clearly indicate that it wasn't 'black projects' that were being concealed. There are a few famous examples, such as the time the Air Force said a UFO was the planet Venus, only to have it pointed out to them that Venus wasn't visible in the sky, at the time in question!


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:51 PM

View Postbison, on 07 May 2013 - 02:46 PM, said:

Col. French's admission that the Air Force did absurd debunking of UFOs is interesting, but not surprising. It has been known for many years that this occurred, and in situations which pretty clearly indicate that it wasn't 'black projects' that were being concealed. There are a few famous examples, such as the time the Air Force said a UFO was the planet Venus, only to have it pointed out to them that Venus wasn't visible in the sky, at the time in question!

and there was Major Quintanella...Venus was his favourite also.... :no:


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Posted 01 July 2014 - 01:00 AM

There's tons of testimony from retiring military, pilots, etc.  According to many forum members, these people are all lying, making up stories to sell books, or just plain wrong.  In addition it will be noted that a world of anecdotal evidence doesn't amount to a grain of scientific proof.  In 1965 most everyone, in the town i live, saw "lights in the sky", star-like dots where no stars should be.  We watched for an hour, and they were essentially motionless.  The next day's newspaper carried photos. Also that day a guy in a dark suit came around to talk with us kids, to explain that we had seen "weather balloons".  In 1996, at 3am in a nearby city, a metallic disk about the size of a city bus came floating over my head at a range of about 30 yards.  It made an electrical humming sound.  Through a 'glass' i could see two 'people' inside.  They looked like average human beings.  So i'm quite sure about the UFO/flying saucer reality.   If "flying saucers" are a reality today; it seems entirely plausible that "flying saucers" may have been a reality at another time in Earth's history.  Don't forget that today's Christians believe fervently that "god" visited Earth 2000 years ago.

Edited by bendigger0, 01 July 2014 - 01:01 AM.


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Posted 01 July 2014 - 01:16 AM

View Postbendigger0, on 01 July 2014 - 01:00 AM, said:

In 1965 most everyone, in the town i live, saw "lights in the sky", star-like dots where no stars should be.  We watched for an hour, and they were essentially motionless.  The next day's newspaper carried photos. Also that day a guy in a dark suit came around to talk with us kids, to explain that we had seen "weather balloons".  In 1996, at 3am in a nearby city, a metallic disk about the size of a city bus came floating over my head at a range of about 30 yards.  It made an electrical humming sound.  Through a 'glass' i could see two 'people' inside.  They looked like average human beings.

With respect bendigger (and I mean that)......, this is yet another case of............lights in the sky that you couldn't readily identify........so it must be "aliens".
As for your metallic disc with "average human beings".............perhaps that's what you saw a flying aircraft of some sort with humans.


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Posted 01 July 2014 - 01:39 AM

View Postklambo, on 01 July 2014 - 01:16 AM, said:

With respect bendigger (and I mean that)......, this is yet another case of............lights in the sky that you couldn't readily identify........so it must be "aliens".
As for your metallic disc with "average human beings".............perhaps that's what you saw a flying aircraft of some sort with humans.
Perhaps you read that i mentioned "aliens".  I did not. Goodbye.  And, yes... what i saw was probably a round airplane with no wings, or a helicopter with hidden rotor and no vertical stabilizer.  You've got some fantastic insight!

Edited by bendigger0, 01 July 2014 - 01:42 AM.


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Posted 01 July 2014 - 01:46 AM

View Postbison, on 07 May 2013 - 02:46 PM, said:

Col. French's admission that the Air Force did absurd debunking of UFOs is interesting, but not surprising. It has been known for many years that this occurred, and in situations which pretty clearly indicate that it wasn't 'black projects' that were being concealed. There are a few famous examples, such as the time the Air Force said a UFO was the planet Venus, only to have it pointed out to them that Venus wasn't visible in the sky, at the time in question!
Don't forget the explanation given to Gordon Cooper when he reported a squadron of "flying disks" over the English Channel, to wit:  "high flying seed pods".


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Posted 01 July 2014 - 05:10 AM

View Postklambo, on 01 July 2014 - 01:16 AM, said:

With respect bendigger (and I mean that)......, this is yet another case of............lights in the sky that you couldn't readily identify........so it must be "aliens".
As for your metallic disc with "average human beings".............perhaps that's what you saw a flying aircraft of some sort with humans.

See what we are dealing with here mate ;)

How dare you say "NOT ET"!!! Blasphemy!!!!!!! As if NOT ET is even a remote possibility!!LOL.

Astounding isn't it!!

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 04:01 PM

Col. French whilst having quite an honourable career in the armed forces also made a lot of stuff up.Here another military vet takes apart his supposed military career,its clear there is an awful lot of BS spouted by Col French

http://kevinrandle.b...e-this-was.html


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Posted 01 July 2014 - 04:23 PM

View Postbendigger0, on 01 July 2014 - 01:00 AM, said:

There's tons of testimony from retiring military, pilots, etc.  According to many forum members, these people are all lying, making up stories to sell books, or just plain wrong.  In addition it will be noted that a world of anecdotal evidence doesn't amount to a grain of scientific proof.  In 1965 most everyone, in the town i live, saw "lights in the sky", star-like dots where no stars should be.  We watched for an hour, and they were essentially motionless.  The next day's newspaper carried photos. Also that day a guy in a dark suit came around to talk with us kids, to explain that we had seen "weather balloons".  In 1996, at 3am in a nearby city, a metallic disk about the size of a city bus came floating over my head at a range of about 30 yards.  It made an electrical humming sound.  Through a 'glass' i could see two 'people' inside.  They looked like average human beings.  So i'm quite sure about the UFO/flying saucer reality.   If "flying saucers" are a reality today; it seems entirely plausible that "flying saucers" may have been a reality at another time in Earth's history.  Don't forget that today's Christians believe fervently that "god" visited Earth 2000 years ago.

Ok, so my question for you is this Ben, these "lights in the sky" that were motionless, don't you think that there is most likely a perfectly reasonable explanation for them? Flares perhaps? My problem with your story about the metallic disk is that you claim you saw it at 3 a.m. at roughly 30 yards away, correct me if your in a geographical area that is normally bright at this time of morning however where i'm from it is usually quite dark at 3 a.m. and would be pretty difficult to identify something flying 30 yards above especially to the degree of accuracy in claiming to see two figures in the saucer shaped craft. To be able to gauge the size at that distance and at that time seems difficult as well, I just don't see it happening Ben.


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Posted 01 July 2014 - 05:34 PM

View Postdr no, on 01 July 2014 - 04:01 PM, said:

Col. French whilst having quite an honourable career in the armed forces also made a lot of stuff up.Here another military vet takes apart his supposed military career,its clear there is an awful lot of BS spouted by Col French

http://kevinrandle.b...e-this-was.html


So Randle is having a go at this guy as well?.....and you are using him again...?

As I said when you used Kevin Randle to cast doubt on Stephen Lovekin in another thread...

..... I have him in my little black book as a plant...a gatekeeper...
someone who pretends to be into the UFO/ET subject but is really working on the inside
to control information...


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