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Hawking: 'Big Bang did not need God'


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#106    Copasetic

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 10:32 PM

View PostCapt Amerika, on 22 April 2013 - 06:47 PM, said:

So, since we obviously have the folks with all the answers here....
What came before the big bang?

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The standard Big Bang model is singular at the time of the Big Bang, t = 0. This means that one cannot even define time, since spacetime is singular. In some models like the chaotic or perpetual inflation favored by Linde, the Big Bang is just one of many inflating bubbles in a spacetime foam. But there is no possibility of getting information from outside our own one bubble. Thus I conclude that: "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent."



View PostCapt Amerika, on 22 April 2013 - 06:47 PM, said:

Where did it come from?

Where did what come from? Our matter? Click on my name→profile→ and follow the link that says "The Big Bang in 750 words"

View PostCapt Amerika, on 22 April 2013 - 06:47 PM, said:

We all agree it happened, i'm just waiting for the smart fellas to explain why it happened and what caused it.

You humans, and your causality biases :w00t:


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 10:37 PM

View PostHarte, on 22 April 2013 - 06:25 PM, said:

The religious should take a moment and realize that the Big Bang is not only not incompatible with certain religious myths, but it is aligned with those myths to an astonishing accuracy.

Or, what would the result of "let there be light" actually look like?

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Actually the text should read "let there be light", "then darkness again for a few hundred million years", "then it can be light again after the cosmic dark ages have ended"


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 10:57 PM

View PostCopasetic, on 23 April 2013 - 10:37 PM, said:

Actually the text should read "let there be light", "then darkness again for a few hundred million years", "then it can be light again after the cosmic dark ages have ended"

You can't expect 2nd millenium BC historians to get everything right now, can you?

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 01:11 AM

View PostHarte, on 23 April 2013 - 10:57 PM, said:

You can't expect 2nd millenium BC historians to get everything right now, can you?

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If it's divinely revealed, yeah :w00t:


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 08:38 AM

Hawking = the arrogance of mankind with a little knowledge, with so little information gleaned from a pinprick in the outposts of the universe.


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 09:12 AM

View PostZeta Reticulum, on 24 April 2013 - 08:38 AM, said:

Hawking = the arrogance of mankind with a little knowledge, with so little information gleaned from a pinprick in the outposts of the universe.
Actually Hawking is not nearly so arrogant as he has a right to be, and he has a sense of humor and readily pays off on bets he loses.  You sound a lot more arrogant than he is.


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 12:32 PM

I don't think any of us are meant to know much


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 04:26 PM

View PostCopasetic, on 24 April 2013 - 01:11 AM, said:

If it's divinely revealed, yeah :w00t:

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 01:45 AM

Look at the guy.  He's stuck in a wheelchair and is completely miserable.  As he sees it there is no God, so what?


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 04:57 AM

I don't belive in the big bang theory, it cannot be tested, observed, or measured. And for someone to say it all happened 13.7 billion years ago is outrageous! Someone once said "An explosion in a printing shop could not produce the dictionary". It takes majesty and a divine hand. It was not by accident, nor by a ridiculous explosion haha. If that was the case, what happened before the big bang? The Big Bang theory ignores the First law of Thermodynamics, which says "matter cannot be created or destroyed". Those who believe in the Big Bang theory are also either unaware of, or ignore the "Second Law of Thermodynamics" which says "Everything tends towards disorder". So rather than the chaos (big bang) becoming ordered (our universe), just the opposite would be true.. And it is. Our complex universe is wearing down, and becoming more chaotic...American physicist Robert V. Gentry's research shows that rocks known as Precambrian granites were created almost instantly as a part of the creation (as recorded in Genesis 1:1) and "are not the product of the evolution of the earth." He says "the Big Bang version of primordial polonium is without any scientific basis." The way I see it is there are only 2 choices. Either someone created the earth, or the earth created itself. If you think the earth created itself, hey more power to you. One thing i do know is that IT CANNOT BE TESTED OR OBSERVED! End of story! Its a ridiculous theory!
Some scientsits say there are stars that are 18-20 billion light years from us, if this is true, it contradicts the big bang theory that happened 13.7 billion years ago. It doesn't make sense.


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 05:03 AM

I don't belive in the big bang theory, it cannot be tested, observed, or measured. And for someone to say it all happened 13.7 billion years ago is outrageous! Someone once said "An explosion in a printing shop could not produce the dictionary". It takes majesty and a divine hand. It was not by accident, nor by a ridiculous explosion haha. If that was the case, what happened before the big bang? The Big Bang theory ignores the First law of Thermodynamics, which says "matter cannot be created or destroyed". Those who believe in the Big Bang theory are also either unaware of, or ignore the "Second Law of Thermodynamics" which says "Everything tends towards disorder". So rather than the chaos (big bang) becoming ordered (our universe), just the opposite would be true.. And it is. Our complex universe is wearing down, and becoming more chaotic...American physicist Robert V. Gentry's research shows that rocks known as Precambrian granites were created almost instantly as a part of the creation (as recorded in Genesis 1:1) and "are not the product of the evolution of the earth." He says "the Big Bang version of primordial polonium is without any scientific basis." The way I see it is there are only 2 choices. Either someone created the earth, or the earth created itself. If you think the earth created itself, hey more power to you. One thing i do know is that IT CANNOT BE TESTED OR OBSERVED! End of story! Its a ridiculous theory!
Some scientsits say there are stars that are 18-20 billion light years from us, if this is true, it contradicts the big bang theory that happened 13.7 billion years ago. It doesn't make sense.


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 06:34 AM

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 06:37 AM

View Posttritchey24, on 17 May 2013 - 05:03 AM, said:

Someone once said "An explosion in a printing shop could not produce the dictionary".
Why would an explosion produce a man made object??

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It takes majesty and a divine hand.
And that requires ignorance.

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The Big Bang theory ignores the First law of Thermodynamics, which says "matter cannot be created or destroyed". Those who believe in the Big Bang theory are also either unaware of, or ignore the "Second Law of Thermodynamics" which says "Everything tends towards disorder". So rather than the chaos (big bang) becoming ordered (our universe), just the opposite would be true.. And it is. Our complex universe is wearing down, and becoming more chaotic...
Actually the first law states energy can change but not be created or destroyed. The second law states "in all energy exchanges, if no energy enters or leaves the system, the potential energy of the state will always be less than that of the initial state."

http://www.emc.maric...obookener1.html

Chaos theory shows that apparent chaos is not lack of order.

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American physicist Robert V. Gentry's research
And refuted with isotopic decay.

"As 222Rn is the precursor for 218Po, this polonium isotope is the first one to be formed in the decay process. Although the half life of 218Po is relatively short (3.05 minutes), enormous numbers of 222Rn concentrate as a dissolved element along with silica in hydrous fluids, which then migrate in response to tectonic pressures into porous sites in the mafic crustal rocks."

http://www.csun.edu/...05/revised8.htm


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Some scientsits say there are stars that are 18-20 billion light years from us, if this is true, it contradicts the big bang theory that happened 13.7 billion years ago. It doesn't make sense.
The universe is expanding, think about it.

Edited by Rlyeh, 17 May 2013 - 06:40 AM.


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 08:36 AM

View Posttritchey24, on 17 May 2013 - 05:03 AM, said:

I don't belive in the big bang theory

Thankfully, science doesn't care whether you believe in it or not. It doesn't make it any less right.


View Posttritchey24, on 17 May 2013 - 05:03 AM, said:

it cannot be tested, observed, or measured

Actually it can. From the expansion of the universe to the cosmic microwave background, everything we see indicates an origin such as the big bang.


View Posttritchey24, on 17 May 2013 - 05:03 AM, said:

And for someone to say it all happened 13.7 billion years ago is outrageous!

Er... why?


View Posttritchey24, on 17 May 2013 - 05:03 AM, said:

Someone once said "An explosion in a printing shop could not produce the dictionary"

It couldn't. But the big bang wasn't an explosion and the universe isn't a dictionary.


View Posttritchey24, on 17 May 2013 - 05:03 AM, said:

It takes majesty and a divine hand. It was not by accident, nor by a ridiculous explosion haha.

I wasn't an explosion. And it wasn't an accident. Maybe come up with a more informed argument?


View Posttritchey24, on 17 May 2013 - 05:03 AM, said:

If that was the case, what happened before the big bang?

We're well on our way to explaining that, but you creationist types will obviously ignore any scientific explanation, because it doesn't involve a big bearded guy who lives in the sky.


View Posttritchey24, on 17 May 2013 - 05:03 AM, said:

The Big Bang theory ignores the First law of Thermodynamics, which says "matter cannot be created or destroyed".

So science is right when it suits you huh?

You do realise that Jesus healing the sick and turning water into wine also ignore the laws of thermodynamics?

(oh, and the big bang doesn't violate any physical laws - close the creationist websites and try reading a science book)


View Posttritchey24, on 17 May 2013 - 05:03 AM, said:

Either someone created the earth, or the earth created itself.

There is no scientist on the planet who claims these are the only two options. You're making it up as you go along.


View Posttritchey24, on 17 May 2013 - 05:03 AM, said:

Some scientsits say there are stars that are 18-20 billion light years from us, if this is true, it contradicts the big bang theory that happened 13.7 billion years ago. It doesn't make sense.

Source?

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 09:39 AM

The  Universe is of force fields and matter,something has to be behind the force.:)





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