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#16    Copen

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 07:38 PM

When God told Moses to go tell the Pharaoh to let the Israelites go, God also told Moses, "And I will harden his (Pharaoh's) heart." God did it twice. So whose fault was it that Pharaoh's heart hardened when he seemed to be letting them go until God hardened his heart?

Adam is a figure (foreshadow) of Jesus Christ. (Rom.5.14) Adam did not fall! He was in the same fleshly state as we all are. Sin was created in the flesh. Does that mean God is the author of sin??? God forbid.

Adam was flesh. Flesh is corruptible and not fit to inherit heaven. Adam was naked and did not know good and evil so he did not know to be ashamed until he ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. He lied to Eva and said --If you touch the fruit of that tree, that very same day you will die. They didn't die that same day, physically. But their souls (minds/emotions) died to sin. That is what the Bible is to us - - - a tree of knowledge of good and evil. Before we eat from that fruit our thinking about good and evil is messed up.

Blood doesn't pass sin onward to offspring. If so, Jesus would have inherited sin from the Blessed Virgin Mary. Flesh is sin. Jesus was made sin (flesh) for us. Man is the image of God. But Jesus had something better that kept Him from sinning in the flesh. He was the "EXPRESS IMAGE" of God.

By one man (Lucifer) sin entered when he was given for a covering of the earth. The whole creation week that followed was the result of the confusion and emptiness God saw Lucifer had done to the earth as the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the earth covered in deep water. The Bible says Satan is the author of confusion. Confusion was evident at Genesis 1;2. This whole creation and redemption is far greater than the false teachings about the fall-of-mankind where God is in competition to see if He can get as many on His side as Satan can.

God holds Himself to the same rules as He did the Israelites in OT. There must be two witnesses without contradictions before a sentence can be executed. Creation is an elaborate Godly sting operation to catch the devils and his angels. The devil was still walking around in heaven when we read the story of Job.

As Satan saw Jesus about to be born in the flesh he recruited his followers in heaven to snuff out Jesus' life. It didn't work. But that caused the angels to be fully revealed. Thus causing the angels and Satan to finally be barred from entrance into heaven. But as Jesus hung on the cross, there was war in heaven. Satan tried a heavenly coup. He was defeated by Michael. Now Satan is confined to earth to do as much harm as he can to bought and paid for children of God.
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Edited by Copen, 04 May 2013 - 07:40 PM.


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Posted 04 May 2013 - 08:19 PM

Twice out of ten times you tell me who is at fault.

I am a mormon.  If I don't use mormons believe, those my beliefs only.
I do not go to church haven't for thirty years.
There are other mormons on this site. So if I have misspoken about the beliefs. I welcome their input.
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Posted 04 May 2013 - 09:35 PM

View Postdanielost, on 04 May 2013 - 03:19 PM, said:

According to mormon teachings some of us will become gods, a few of us already have.  Such as abraham, and adam.  
Some of us will serve them as angels.  The rest will live on earth, either in new jerusalum, or scattered around the planet.
This idea ihs sorta put forward via christ's statment about god prearing mansons  for us.
Hello danielost,

I'm not here to compare my religion regarding Jesus Christ with Mormonism. Besides, there are those who sugarcoat the fact that Christians are being prepared for servitude. It's bad enough that church attendance has been in decline, n'est-ce pas? Our western culture worships the conceit of individuality. "Me, me, me, it's all about me -- suffer." "I AM GOD, worship me and despair!" "I'm so special." "Look at me, just look at...me...dammit!" "I have arrived -- enough."

Truth is, I wouldn't be a Christian today if it weren't for my first-hand encounter with Jesus Christ. What most people don't take into account is the fact that there is this tremendous "unconditional love" presence. Being around its radiance is the absolute meaning of Heaven, at least that's the way I got it in the Void. Unfortunately, most people only go by faith. It's easy to fall off the lofty cliff.

Any day, man, I am more than willing to be Jesus/God's servant, just to be around Him. Unless something miraculous happens (like the Holy Spirit's daily guidance, as another example), or we actually choose to undergo such a massive training of the mind, our Western indoctrination will fight this transformation every step of the way -- the reason for the adjective "massive." Yes, Jesus is asking a lot, or so it seems...but we always have a choice to be destroyed (or to sugarcoat it, "put to rest") quickly and efficiently, for God (the "real" Creator, not a wannabe like Enki) is not a sadist.

You have to understand that this Enki character has been doing quite an extensive marketing since his fall to lead us astray and take us down with him. Since he's one of the sons of God, nothing can destroy his essence, unlike our human soul. Therefore, guess where he's heading?? God has a "special" place for him and his "angels," without going into details.

People accept Jesus Christ on a daily basis; however, it's not the end of the story. There are things to do, commandments to follow, to prepare one's "awareness" to become a spirit, a disembodied reality. We are so addicted to flesh and matter that it's not even funny. Why do you think many "spiritual" paths distance themselves from this addiction? Spirit form = the inevitable.

Jesus Christ's Heaven is real, but do we really want it? These so-called rules are really for our own benefit to keep up with the Heavenly program. Have you ever had servants? Servants go through massive training, but alas, they don't have the "unconditional love" presence of Jesus Christ to keep them inspired, motivated, ever in love, and all the wonderful things which go along being around that love power. The mind can't really grasp its magnitude. You have to experience it yourself.

There's so much to say. I could've written a book, but I chose to share this for the world to read without a fee.

Without that "unconditional love" presence, Heaven sounds like "a worthless offer we can't refuse." It is what it is -- unsugarcoated.


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Posted 04 May 2013 - 10:14 PM

View Postdanielost, on 04 May 2013 - 08:19 PM, said:

Twice out of ten times you tell me who is at fault.
Twice is all it took. And God said in advance He was going to do that. God does everything twice in the Bible for our strong consolation. Heb. 6:18


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Posted 04 May 2013 - 10:16 PM

Christianity is not a religion based on eating Bon Bons in Heaven.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 10:53 PM

View Postbraveone2u, on 04 May 2013 - 09:35 PM, said:

Hello danielost,

IIt's bad enough that church attendance has been in decline, n'est-ce pas?

Truth is, I wouldn't be a Christian today if it weren't for my first-hand encounter with Jesus Christ. What most people don't take into account is the fact that there is this tremendous "unconditional love" presence. Being around its radiance is the absolute meaning of Heaven, at least that's the way I got it in the Void. Unfortunately, most people only go by faith. It's easy to fall off the lofty cliff.

Any day, man, I am more than willing to be Jesus/God's servant, just to be around Him.

People accept Jesus Christ on a daily basis; however, it's not the end of the story. There are things to do, commandments to follow,...


Without that "unconditional love" presence, Heaven sounds like "a worthless offer we can't refuse." It is what it is -- unsugarcoated.

Peace to you.

Truth is no one is a Christian without a personal encounter. Church has been in a decline because Jesus is not giving them a personal encounter. That is because this false "free-will" doctrine is being preached. When family and friends hear there is some work they must perform such a accept, believe, repent, confess, and be sprinkled and call it a baptism - - - and they follow through and nothing happens they turn to rebellion against all forms of Christianity.

It's Christians' fault that the Spirit is not touching unbelievers. In Revelation, the last era Christian church is the Ladiocia church. It is foretold to not only be blind and in need of healing ointment but is also naked. Like Adam they are children of God who don't know to be ashamed of that free-will doctrine which makes God out to be a wishy-washy god of contradictions against many scriptures that teach election and predestination of people (not predestination of events). How do you reconcile free-will to be in agreement with such scripture as ..."For being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil,  that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works" (of accepting and believing and repenting) "but of Him that calleth... As it is written Jacob have I loved,, but Esau have I hated...it is not of him that willeth nor of him who runneth but of God that showeth mercy."

The story of Jacob shows Jacob was a pretty evil person who took advantage of circumstances, lied to his father, and stole Esau's birthright. Yet, God loved Jacob and hated Esau.

Be of good cheer. The Bible says the farmer, Jesus, is not coming until there is a rain like the one at Pentecost. It is not going to happen with the false free-will doctrine.
God bless us all is my prayer.

Christians who are martyred for Christ and for the word will get to serve God in the temple. Anyone who has ever known and felt the presence of God knows that is the prize above all others.


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Posted 04 May 2013 - 11:28 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 04 May 2013 - 01:12 PM, said:

I know most Christians don't think this way, but the posts I've just read really make God weird -- all He seems to care about is this thing called "glory."  Frankly why should God give a damn?
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Posted 05 May 2013 - 01:56 PM

View PostCopen, on 04 May 2013 - 10:53 PM, said:



Truth is no one is a Christian without a personal encounter. Church has been in a decline because Jesus is not giving them a personal encounter. That is because this false "free-will" doctrine is being preached. When family and friends hear there is some work they must perform such a accept, believe, repent, confess, and be sprinkled and call it a baptism - - - and they follow through and nothing happens they turn to rebellion against all forms of Christianity.

It's Christians' fault that the Spirit is not touching unbelievers. In Revelation, the last era Christian church is the Ladiocia church. It is foretold to not only be blind and in need of healing ointment but is also naked. Like Adam they are children of God who don't know to be ashamed of that free-will doctrine which makes God out to be a wishy-washy god of contradictions against many scriptures that teach election and predestination of people (not predestination of events). How do you reconcile free-will to be in agreement with such scripture as ..."For being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil,  that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works" (of accepting and believing and repenting) "but of Him that calleth... As it is written Jacob have I loved,, but Esau have I hated...it is not of him that willeth nor of him who runneth but of God that showeth mercy."

The story of Jacob shows Jacob was a pretty evil person who took advantage of circumstances, lied to his father, and stole Esau's birthright. Yet, God loved Jacob and hated Esau.

Be of good cheer. The Bible says the farmer, Jesus, is not coming until there is a rain like the one at Pentecost. It is not going to happen with the false free-will doctrine.
God bless us all is my prayer.

Christians who are martyred for Christ and for the word will get to serve God in the temple. Anyone who has ever known and felt the presence of God knows that is the prize above all others.


Christ's sacrifice saved almost everyone from hell.  No work needed.  To get the golden ring tho does require work.  You don't need to be perfect, only be as perfect as you can be.  That distenction is between you and god.  God will not judge you, you will.  God only make sure your not to hard on youself.  By the way no where in the bible does god call himself perfeect, others do but he doesn't.


Moses was also an example of christ's mission on earth.

I am a mormon.  If I don't use mormons believe, those my beliefs only.
I do not go to church haven't for thirty years.
There are other mormons on this site. So if I have misspoken about the beliefs. I welcome their input.
I am not perfect and never will be. I do strive to be true to myself. I do my best to stay true to the mormon faith. Thank for careing and if you don't peace be with you.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 09:35 PM

Bright Sunday to you, Copen.

View PostCopen, on 04 May 2013 - 10:53 PM, said:

Truth is no one is a Christian without a personal encounter.
It's wonderful that you've seen Jesus Christ in person. Thank you for sharing.  

View PostCopen, on 04 May 2013 - 10:53 PM, said:

Church has been in a decline because Jesus is not giving them a personal encounter.
Did Jesus personally tell you that?

View PostCopen, on 04 May 2013 - 10:53 PM, said:

That is because this false 'free-will' doctrine is being preached.
Please explain because even though the word "free will" is not in the Bible, it is insinuated and suggested; otherwise, we wouldn't be stranded in earthly existence, as in the Fall of Man. We also make choices practically every moment of our lives. True, I have accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior and believe that the Holy Spirit guides my life; however, I'm not 100% sure that I'm going to Heaven. I don't have access to the Book of Life. Do you have that guaranteed one-way ticket to Heaven in your pocket? Therefore, it would only be wise for a person like myself to be ever so vigilant.

View PostCopen, on 04 May 2013 - 10:53 PM, said:

When family and friends hear there is some work they must perform such a accept, believe, repent, confess, and be sprinkled and call it a baptism - - - and they follow through and nothing happens they turn to rebellion against all forms of Christianity.
Truth is, who said "real" Christians are exempt from temptation? I will pray for your family and friends.

"When tempted, no one should say, 'God is tempting me.' for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone, but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed."  James 1:13-14

"No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it."  1 Corinthians 10:13

According to Colossians 3:5, "Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry." Well, that's a mouthful to swallow and not that easy to accomplish. While we are on this planet, to be blameless is not going to happen like a magic trick -- voila, I'm eternally pure and all of it because I'm a "real" Christian! Accepting Jesus Christ is not like a brainwashing magic potion. Without the purifying  purifying blessing or "guidance" of the Holy Spirit, to traverse and remain in the path towards Heaven may even be very hard. "Free will" or not, we still have to make an effort via prayers, meditations, cultivating like-minded people, studying the Bible, giving to the poor... Again, keep in mind: We're not in Heaven, yet. Should I assume that after you had your encounter with Jesus Christ, your thoughts and actions nowadays are "not" based on free choice? Are you one of the Witnesses in Revelation?

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’” Matthew 7:21–23


View PostCopen, on 04 May 2013 - 10:53 PM, said:

In Revelation, the last era Christian church is the Ladiocia church. It is foretold to not only be blind and in need of healing ointment but is also naked.
Arrogance and complacency are the keywords. Repentence is always in order. In the end, only through Christ that one is saved, not just through human effort, yes; however, that's the first step, to accept Jesus Christ as one's Lord and Savior, but second, to remain in the path, one has to be vigilant. I cannot say this enough: We are not in Heaven, Paradise, New Earth...yet.

"Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith." Galatians 6:7-10

Therefore, there are things to do...to get to Heaven, Paradise, New Earth, and God.

View PostCopen, on 04 May 2013 - 10:53 PM, said:

It's Christians' fault that the Spirit is not touching unbelievers.
That's an extremely loaded statement. I'm not one, however, to say that the Holy Spirit has no power (or doesn't have enough of it) to touch the unbelievers. Also, there are many branches of Christianity, and the blame game (blaming other Christians) is irrelevant nowadays, for we have television, internet, radio, live preachers and teachers, celebs, Christian toys, blinding decals, Christian "feng shui" flags -- one might even say that Christianity is too in-yer-face.

Keep in mind that God is the only One who is "Good." Perfection is implied. To think of oneself as "good" (the same as God) is pure arrogance and so much more, which brings to mind Ladiocia.

God bless, Copen.


Edited by braveone2u, 05 May 2013 - 09:40 PM.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 12:11 AM

View Postbraveone2u, on 04 May 2013 - 04:51 AM, said:

"Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect."

"Be perfect..." is not the same as the perfection of God, the "uncreated." Also, "...for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God," according to Romans 3:23. Therefore, we need Jesus Christ to enter Heaven.

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Why bother quoting text apparently made my people who have no better idea of God than we do?


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 02:53 AM

View PostOrcseeker, on 06 May 2013 - 12:11 AM, said:

Why bother quoting text apparently made my people who have no better idea of God than we do?
Hi Orcseeker,

Could you please rephrase your question? I'm not getting it.

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 10:05 PM

View Postdanielost, on 05 May 2013 - 01:56 PM, said:

Christ's sacrifice saved almost everyone from hell.  No work needed.  To get the golden ring tho does require work.  You don't need to be perfect, only be as perfect as you can be.  That distenction is between you and god.  God will not judge you, you will.  God only make sure your not to hard on youself.  By the way no where in the bible does god call himself perfeect, others do but he doesn't.


Moses was also an example of christ's mission on earth.

The Bible says faith (belief) is not of works (accomplishments) lest any man boast - - - how he/she was smart enough, or lucky enough to believe before they died. Taking some of the credit and glory away from Jesus.

Eternal salvation is one way and one way only - - - 100% by the shed blood of a spotless Lamb. Add any work, or accomplishment (accepting, believing, repenting, confession, baptism, etc.) on man's part and Christ's blood has been diluted. In the Judgement the works done in our body will be judged. Not to see if you qualify for eternal salvation but rewards. According to Jesus' words ... "I have come to do the will of the Father....And that will is that as many as He hath given unto me, I should lose nothing but raise them up at the last day...I have done all that I have come to do...I have come to save His people from their sins..." (God is all powerful) "His arm is not short concerning thy salvation. ..He doeth His will in the armies of heaven and on earth......................................IT IS FINISHED!"

No where in the Bible does God try to get someone to do something, with man's will stronger than God's  - - - and God has to go get someone else.  That's a weak, mealy-mouth God and not one to worship.


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Posted 08 June 2013 - 06:47 PM

Christ told his desiples, that they should not get paid forpreaching the gospel.  They had gotten it or free, and they should give it for free.  There is only one church that does not pay its leaders directly. The mormon church does have several businesses.  Where they put the leaders in a sort of puppet position of these businesses.  The reason is that they are busy leading the church. The leaders of each ward(this is where the church holds most of the church activety.  These leaders don't get paid and they have to find theirown work to live.) The bishop of the ward is responsible for everyone in the ward boundry members or non-members.  Of course members have priority.  But, if you are not a member you can ask the bishop for help if he is able he will help.
The next closes church is catholic which houses and feed their leaders and preists.

I am a mormon.  If I don't use mormons believe, those my beliefs only.
I do not go to church haven't for thirty years.
There are other mormons on this site. So if I have misspoken about the beliefs. I welcome their input.
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Posted 08 June 2013 - 06:52 PM

View PostCopen, on 02 June 2013 - 10:05 PM, said:



The Bible says faith (belief) is not of works (accomplishments) lest any man boast - - - how he/she was smart enough, or lucky enough to believe before they died. Taking some of the credit and glory away from Jesus.

Eternal salvation is one way and one way only - - - 100% by the shed blood of a spotless Lamb. Add any work, or accomplishment (accepting, believing, repenting, confession, baptism, etc.) on man's part and Christ's blood has been diluted. In the Judgement the works done in our body will be judged. Not to see if you qualify for eternal salvation but rewards. According to Jesus' words ... "I have come to do the will of the Father....And that will is that as many as He hath given unto me, I should lose nothing but raise them up at the last day...I have done all that I have come to do...I have come to save His people from their sins..." (God is all powerful) "His arm is not short concerning thy salvation. ..He doeth His will in the armies of heaven and on earth......................................IT IS FINISHED!"

No where in the Bible does God try to get someone to do something, with man's will stronger than God's  - - - and God has to go get someone else.  That's a weak, mealy-mouth God and not one to worship.
Which is why I keep writing that almost all will go to heaven.  A few will commit an unfortgivable sin, as lucifer seems to have done.  Or, he is too stuck on himself to repent.


I am a mormon.  If I don't use mormons believe, those my beliefs only.
I do not go to church haven't for thirty years.
There are other mormons on this site. So if I have misspoken about the beliefs. I welcome their input.
I am not perfect and never will be. I do strive to be true to myself. I do my best to stay true to the mormon faith. Thank for careing and if you don't peace be with you.




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