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[Sir Wearer of Hats]

Meh, stuff the Mods.
ROCKERS FOREVER!

[Slave2Fate]

[kmt_sesh]

Posters, avoid using foul language in your posts. Employing clever spellings to bypass word censors is no more acceptable than the expletives themselves. Peppering your posts with foul language serves only to lessen your own credibility and makes you come across as immature. If you feel you cannot post without resorting to this, I suggest you do not post.

Thank you.

[Abramelin]

Carl203, on 08 January 2013 - 10:22 PM, said:

When will people stop using the word 'theory' and start with fact'? We have enough information, most of it is common sense stuff, and hundreds of professionals in various fields of study have agreed to the fact that; we had visitors on earth, along time ago, and they left alot of stuff that we have found. What's the problem with all this?

I posted a lot concerning common sense stuff, but there are those who just won't buy it.

And could you name some of those "hundreds of professionals"?

[psyche101]

Slave2Fate, on 10 January 2013 - 11:15 PM, said:

There are legitimate reasons for research into ancient building techniques, as well as legitimate questions to be answered.

How did the move the stones?

How did they shape them?

What tools did they use?

Why?

These are a few of the questions I'm talking about but they have nothing to do with ancient aliens in and of themselves. They are worthy of answers the likes of which good research can hopefully uncover. I'm here to see these questions answered as best as possible and posters like Abramelin, Oniomancer, seeder among others have offered a wealth of information to that end.

What I could do without is a unhealthy attachment to pictures of stacked rocks and an insurmountable denial complex coupled with an anti-skeptic agenda.

Sadly, these real questions go unanswered in order to accomodate a TV show. AA specifically holds us back, just like UFO buffs held back important plasma research. Incredible that fantasy could dumb down a species like this.

Without doubt, the Greek structures such as the Colosseum and the Pantheon make a mockery of AA.

[Abramelin]

zoser, on 09 January 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

Before you spout the chemical nonsense, I would just remind you of a few little facts:

1) Not enough Cao in Andesite to cause a significant reaction against acid; fact.

2) Vitrification is not possible by applying acids to granite.  Fact.

http://www.ethosmarb...ification.shtml

3) No credible source of acid found that could yield the quantities needed to cope with the artifacts in both Peru and Bolivia spread over thousands, perhaps millions of tonnes of masonry in caves, rock outcrops, walls, and ruins.

If you think there is then prove it.

4) No acid would penetrate deep enough that quickly.  If you think it can then prove it.

5) Why treat the inside of a hole with chemicals?  You would need to because right there is vitrification.  Here is the proof.

(1) Enough CaO in andesite. According to one poster it's like 6%. If it was 20 % or more, the rock would become like a soup when treated with acid..

(2) Vitrification (ie, giving it a gloss) is possible by applying acids. Fact: They still use that nowadays.

(3) There are enough plants in Peru and the Amazon jungle that have more than enough acid. The problem is finding out which one of them the Incas used. The plant we are looking for may be standing in front of your window.

Davidovits has already proven it. He was able to mold rock by using plant acids; I posted a link to his paper a couple of times. We are here only talking about chemically altering the outer layer of rock (granite and andesite), or your 'vitrification

(4) No need to penetrate quickly.

(5) No need to treat it. Just pour the liquid over a finished rock, and every hole and crack will be 'vitrified'.

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(XXX) You have posted several photos of accurately cut stones, stones of which even a blind man can see they have been pounded on with some rock giving its surface a zillion tiny dents.

You conveniently skipped past those posts where I asked you about it.

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Edited by Abramelin, 11 January 2013 - 05:16 AM.

[psyche101]

zoser, on 10 January 2013 - 07:12 PM, said:

Well I can add to that without upsetting the moderators or using offensive language.

You can, but not well, and to side with the only poster on the forum that thinks you makes sense and is expected from you. Heck, where else do you have to turn? Nopeda is just a thug and rude, you seem to get some twisted pleasure from purposefully upsetting rational thinkers. Nopeda enjoys insulting me, it is common for those who feel threatened to lash out. His extensive use of smileys is another strong indicator. The mark of one losing debate. Look at my Nick. Basic Human Psyche. The behaviour from yourself and nopeda is to be expected. Also, he started the bad blood, here. LINK I expect no more from someone with a history of insulting other for the sake of it. I guess you missed the post that shows this is not the only forum where nopeda insists on insulting other posters as much as is possible. The other forum saw the good sense to ban his offensive manner back in 2010, for doing exactly what he is doing here. LINK

zoser, on 10 January 2013 - 07:12 PM, said:

If you look carefully, psyche never quotes anything technical.  He specialises in defaming forum users instead.

That is not true one bit, but what really confused me is how would you know? You post that people should throw away their textbooks and that Darwin was an idiot. In fact you have done so several times. In short, you are trying to force your ignorance on others. You have no idea of what is technical, and publicly abhor it. You asked me for many links, like when I proved to you that mass hallucination  not only happen, but has been well documented and for a very long time. Did you ever read the link? You most certainly did not discuss it, but went on to say the same thing again - that mass hallucination does not happen, with the Fatima event staring you in the face.

Even your insults fail Zoser.

If you refuse to read, how do you know what has been posted is technical? You do not. You have demonstrated complete ignorance with regards to basic construction. Instead of learning from those with experience, you insist your ignorance is universal. I know that if something is posted, and you cannot understand it, you seem to believe that negates the evidence. Never been the case Zoser. You own contributions were best described by S2F recently IMHO.

zoser, on 10 January 2013 - 07:12 PM, said:

Last time I checked he didn't know Sacsayhuaman from down town Sydney.

Is that so, when did you and I discuss Sacsayhuaman?? Can you post a link please?

And what do you know of downtown Sydney Zoser? Anything? Do make sure to let me now if you visit this wonderful country, I have something personal for you.

Does your extensive knowledge of Sydney go as far as the Historical Area known as "The Rocks"? Enough stone walls there to keep you astounded for the rest of your life I would think. You could wander the streets for decades imagining what aliens built what wall.

Look at this precision, and from the 1800's! Who could do this in Sydney in the 1800's!!!!





OMG!!! Alienz built Sydney!!!!!!!!!!! We can see where man built on top of their work even! Cover up!!!!!

zoser, on 10 January 2013 - 07:12 PM, said:

He thought that Puma Punku was an 80's pop band.

Can you post a link to where I made this mistake Zoser? Man that was weak. I spent the last part of the 80's and most of the 90's and part of the 2000's travelling the East Coast of Australia as a Lead Guitarist for several bands, and technical advice on lighting shows. I played on stage with Phil Emmanuel, The Radiators, Noiseworks and many others, including 3 bands of my own. As such, you analogy is not really possible, I would have known any band that named themselves after that site. Did you know that there is a band called Stonehenge? LINK Sorry if that is a bit technical for you.

zoser, on 10 January 2013 - 07:12 PM, said:

To be quite honest I haven't responded to him for months.

I have been meaning to thank you for that.
But lets face it, you have not ever responded to anything subject based with me. When I do show how embarrassing your examples are the best you can do is attempt to make small talk. What happened when you claimed mass hallucination does not happen? I gave you a well documented example of over 70,00 people. You did not debate, you put up more Youtube and tried to simply bury the answer that proved you wrong. Same thing happened with Aztec, same thing with the Buzz Aldrin claim, same old same old Zoser.
Be honest Zoser, when I really stopped hearing from you altogether is when you said we should all have a beer, and I said, "No Thanks. I do not want to have a beer with you." My wife has a friend who reminds me of you. She believes in anything whacky. Fairies, Mermaids, Alienz, you name it. I proved to her that Mermaids do not exist. You know what she said? Well, I gave your side a ago, maybe you could believe in Fairies. I mean seriously, fact is not a trade off, and I expect no better logic from you, from what I have seen in your posts. My life is half over, I have no intention of wasting the remainder pondering things I have already pondered in my childhood. You keep forgetting, to you, this is a mystery (supposedly), you are a noob. I have been looking at this subject for around 35 years. I have no wish to go backwards. I just do my best to avoid contact with people like my wife's friend who asks questions so stupid that they beggar belief. What is embarrassing, is that she seems to think she looks clever asking. Not to any person that has been in her company that I know though.
You never reply to my extensive information, you state it never existed. Yet you seem to think you deserve courtesy for that.

And that is how you qualify AA. You just do not adress that which is prudent. You dismiss real evidence for woo woo. Why would I want to have a beer and be subject to that. Not to mention I think the way you talk to qualified professional, such as Jim Oberg, is overstepping your importance. I cannot respect that. You are not even a pimple on Jim's behind.

So yeah. I understand your post Zoser. Something I am yet to see you do on this site. And yes, I am not always right, but I do not post that which is a known as an unknown.

Edited by psyche101, 11 January 2013 - 05:44 AM.

[zoser]

There is an important aspect to all this that you guys have all overlooked.

How likely is it that the precision fit say with the blocks at Sacsayhuaman weighing up to 100 tonnes was achieved during the first attempt?

How many times would they have had to have offered up the block to the wall to correct the work and improve the fit?

A dozen times?  With a 50-100 tonne block?

How realistic would that be on the scale of this entire site?

Those blocks had to join precisely first time.

That's another logistical argument for the moulding theory.

Think on that carefully.

Edited by zoser, 11 January 2013 - 07:01 AM.

[psyche101]

zoser, on 11 January 2013 - 07:00 AM, said:

There is an important aspect to all this that you guys have all overlooked.

How likely is it that the precision fit say with the blocks at Sacsayhuaman weighing up to 100 tonnes was achieved during the first attempt?

How many times would they have had to have offered up the block to the wall to correct the work and improve the fit?

A dozen times?  With a 50-100 tonne block?

How realistic would that be on the scale of this entire site?

Those blocks had to join precisely first time.

That's another logistical argument for the moulding theory.

Think on that carefully.

Do you know what a template is?

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

zoser, on 11 January 2013 - 07:00 AM, said:

There is an important aspect to all this that you guys have all overlooked.

How likely is it that the precision fit say with the blocks at Sacsayhuaman weighing up to 100 tonnes was achieved during the first attempt?

How many times would they have had to have offered up the block to the wall to correct the work and improve the fit?

A dozen times?  With a 50-100 tonne block?

How realistic would that be on the scale of this entire site?

Those blocks had to join precisely first time.

That's another logistical argument for the moulding theory.

Think on that carefully.

An extension for you Zoser...
where are the trial buildings? Where are the less advanced versions? Where did they do the moulding? Why is PP unfinished?

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

Slave2Fate, on 10 January 2013 - 10:04 PM, said:

I see zoser has been trolling again. You know he just makes this stuff up or copy/pastes somebody else's ideas just to get a rise out of people right? He has nothing yet likes to claim victory over the skeptics, classic troll.

Nio, that's not fair. Trolls are, as a rule, rude and illiterate. He's always scrupulously polite, I think it's a bit unair to say that just because you can't believe you can't believe that anyone could think the things that they do that that means they're a Troll.

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

zoser, on 10 January 2013 - 09:28 PM, said:

Never going to trust you to build a bridge.

Yet you could never convincingly explain in a hundred years how they achieved that one example of craftsmanship.

I'm not sure whether I'd call it craftsmanship,or bodging, really; wouldn't it be more craftsman-like to construct something neatly & elegantly out of uniform size blocks that fit neatly rather than having to bodge it by sawing bits off corners and shoehorning bits in here & there? Although I have heard craftsmanship described as "the art of fitting together things that don't fit", so maybe it is. At any rate, couldn't the AAs have arranged it that the blocks fitted properly to begin with rather than trying to make blocks that didn't fit fit?

[psyche101]

Lord Vetinari, on 11 January 2013 - 08:10 AM, said:

Nio, that's not fair. Trolls are, as a rule, rude and illiterate. He's always scrupulously polite, I think it's a bit unair to say that just because you can't believe you can't believe that anyone could think the things that they do that that means they're a Troll.

If trolls are illiterate, how do they post in a forum?

I beg to differ, I find his manner with myself, Jim Oberg, or anyone that can offer a reasonable challenge to the posting presented deplorable. He is nice to you, because you have not shown him to be 100% incorrect. Troll is indeed an apt description, now that you have mentioned it.

Edited by psyche101, 11 January 2013 - 08:24 AM.

[psyche101]

Lord Vetinari, on 11 January 2013 - 08:15 AM, said:

I'm not sure whether I'd call it craftsmanship,or bodging, really; wouldn't it be more craftsman-like to construct something neatly & elegantly out of uniform size blocks that fit neatly rather than having to bodge it by sawing bits off corners and shoehorning bits in here & there? Although I have heard craftsmanship described as "the art of fitting together things that don't fit", so maybe it is. At any rate, couldn't the AAs have arranged it that the blocks fitted properly to begin with rather than trying to make blocks that didn't fit fit?

That is how I did a Granite Floor from left over cut outs form kitchen sinks. Hard to cut granite neatly, you need to deploy work arounds on the spot. Levels were the hardest bit though. Not every cut off was the same thickness. Looks a million bucks though. Was worth the months of effort. I bet is will last for ever. Any alien would be proud to say they did it. If I wanted to cut them all into neat single uniform shapes and fit them together, heck, it might still not be finished.

[Abramelin]

This is the video Oniomancer posted:

How to precisely shape rock with primitive tools:
http://www.videopedi...ire-Part-3-of-6

This is the transcript:
http://www.pbs.org/w...s/2404inca.html

Intro:
http://www.videopedi...ire-Part-1-of-6

"Aliens" (a whole village) moving a huge stone:
http://www.videopedi...ire-Part-2-of-6

"Melting" stone using mirrors... not. And part of the Inca Trail... sigh:
http://www.videopedi...ire-Part-4-of-6

A whole village building a suspension bridge from rope in 3 days (and how to prepare guinea pig):
http://www.videopedi...ire-Part-5-of-6

How to walk over a suspension bridge and not sh1t your pants:
http://www.videopedi...ire-Part-6-of-6

Especially that remark from the commentator was nice: only use the rails for balance, but don't lean on it or it will topple over...

Btw, I found out the best way to do it (certainly if you are 6 feet tall like I am) is to walk with bent legs, almost like a frog. The Peruvians will laugh at you from both sides... and you will laugh too, once you've crossed it and swear to everything holy you won't do that ever again (forgetting you have to get back too...).

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Edited by Abramelin, 11 January 2013 - 09:32 AM.