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#1    JohnnyBoyC

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Posted 24 June 2005 - 12:49 AM

ok i believe that God is a human because of this quote from Genesis

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And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.



Ok He said that as if there were more than one of him, yet Genesis doesnt mention any other God besides Jehovah. And the first Commandment is theat there is only one God, so why did He write this?

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Posted 24 June 2005 - 12:55 AM

happy.gif  Let's debunk it!  It's a widely debateable verse, but here's some of the interpretations:
1) It's a hint at the NT's talk about the Holy Trinity- the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
2) It's God talking to Himself in plural
3) God is talking to His court of angels.

What He's talking about in His own image is He created man in His own image- which is a special gift He bestowed to us.  We could have looked like 3- legged giraffe necked flying banana muffins, but He chose for us to look like Him, which I think is pretty awesome thumbsup.gif

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Posted 24 June 2005 - 12:57 AM

OK that is a good deunking TaintedDonuts we can always count on you! Also, so is it decided God is A human?

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Posted 24 June 2005 - 12:57 AM

OK that is a good deunking TaintedDonuts we can always count on you! Also, so is it decided God is A human?

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Posted 24 June 2005 - 02:03 AM

Our image=Gods image with the angels.

Angels were obviously present before the making of man.

"Our" is plural, so therefore there were others present during the creation of man.



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Posted 24 June 2005 - 02:06 AM

QUOTE(Amalgamut @ Jun 23 2005, 09:03 PM)
Our image=Gods image with the angels.

Angels were obviously present before the making of man.

"Our" is plural, so therefore there were others present during the creation of man.

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Posted 24 June 2005 - 02:14 AM

And, if we assume that god is a humanoid, to what ethnic grouping does he/she/it belong?



Edit for spelling (because I think the believers would get annoyed if I left the 'groping' in there)

Edited by JMPD1, 24 June 2005 - 02:15 AM.

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Posted 24 June 2005 - 02:34 AM

Umm, hell no. God is far from human. Obviously you haven't actually read any cannon or non-cannon descriptions of Our Father, Yahweh.

God's FACE, (if people read Enoch...) is what man's likeness is made from, and it is a grave severe sin to say something derogative about somone's face for that reason. God eats and breathes fire, His throne is in the outermost regions of space (the constellation of Orion was said by pre-dynasty Egyptians, influenced by the angels of Enoch to be THE Throne of God), his face emits sparks like metalworks and is of a blinding light, both awesome and terrifying (Enoch was mortified when he saw God actually....) and if any MORTAL man were to see God he would die, which is why God sends angels to do His bidding. Even the burning bush was an angel, reported to have been the Metatron (the angel Enoch turned into) one of the highest who sits next to the Throne of God next to his twin angel Sandalphon (who was Elijah). God also has a multiple voice like the rumblings of thunder, etc. God is of extremely huge proportions, and the constellation of Orion, in it's enormity could very likely to be the proprtions it's talking about.

Now, it says in OUR likeness not because there were angels helping (which there were, satanail was also one of them, planetd the vine, as was Gabriel, Michael, etc) but because of the TRINITY. The word ELOHIM, the word for id used in the passage is plural male, and singular femae in gender. The plural male is for God (Yahweh) and Jesus (Yeshua), and the singular female for the Holy Spirit, which in Hebrew is the SHEKINAH, and is female in gender. God said He had no aid/help in any of His creations. The angels didn't actually CREATE anything, they just arranged/planted, did as God requested of them, etc

I will also point out that most angels are far from human also, but all can APPEAR human. Angels with four heads 3 of animals (the 4 fixed sign Zodiac Cherubim), eyes of lightning, eyes of fire, miles high, reptillian (flamiing serpent Seraphim who guard Eden), etc.

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Posted 24 June 2005 - 02:50 AM

QUOTE(JMPD1 @ Jun 23 2005, 08:14 PM)
And, if we assume that god is a humanoid, to what ethnic grouping does he/she/it belong?



Edit for spelling (because I think the believers would get annoyed if I left the 'groping' in there)

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Are you asking what race God made adam and eve? Like if they were black/white or what not?

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Posted 24 June 2005 - 10:50 AM

No.  What I am asking is, if the race of man is created in the likeness of the creator, what ethnic group does he/she/it look like?  And, if 'god' is the originator of mankind, why such diverse appearances?  I mean, we cannot ALL look like the creator, right?



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Posted 24 June 2005 - 11:06 AM

That's hard to say JMPD1.  No one has ever seen the face of God.  He could be orange, and I could really care less grin2.gif  I love Him for who He is and what He does for me and others, not what He looks like  thumbsup.gif

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Posted 24 June 2005 - 11:21 AM

Or it could be that when the Jews "borrowed" the creation story from the religion of Ugarit (written 300 years before the Exodus and found in 1928 in the city's archives) they simply forgot to remove the plural reference to God.  Or could be it was from when Judea was still more polytheistic than later (archaeologist and historians accept the possibility of both, leaning closer to the latter)!   yes.gif

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Posted 24 June 2005 - 12:11 PM

Oh here we have another one of Mako's fudgy history lessons to sprout his self confirmation that he is right and the Jews/Christians have it all wrong. Intrigue me, please, I need a good laugh. In your depseration to claim that the Jews 'borrowed' from everyone else when it's clearly quite the opposite you forgot to realize that Exodus has quite nothing to do with it darlin', it's GENESIS, please, read before your fingers do the walking. Genesis came from Jubilees, and need I mention again that there are books much older than both Jubilees to begin with.


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Posted 24 June 2005 - 12:35 PM

Perhaps....

He said "our" because of the Elohim/trinity thing that someone just explained. (translations have ruined the bible throughout history).

'made man in our image' - I believe - does not speak of physical image, but spiritual image.  "Image" does not just mean what your face looks like, and personally, I think its a bit daft to think that God is human.

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Posted 24 June 2005 - 01:13 PM

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when the Jews "borrowed" the creation story from the religion of Ugarit (written 300 years before the Exodus

If you would actually read postings, you would see that I said (as is accept by historians and scholars that the "borrowed" CREATION STORY (Genesis maybe) came from the religious writings of Ugarit (which was destroyed 300 years before the Exodus).  What about that simple statement did you not  understand???? Please give me some more stand up comedy, you are so good at it!  I can see it now "Ashley Star-Child, the European Tour!"  wink2.gif

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