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The reality of the UK education system


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#61    Sir Wearer of Hats

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 09:32 AM

View Postpantodragon, on 25 March 2013 - 05:14 PM, said:

Yes, I had a colleague/friend who sounded like you, extolling the merits of the latest technology, and claiming they made life easier and better etc,  When  I persuaded her to curtail her use of advanced technology she was able to come off the heart pills.
ohh hello there insane comparision.
Well, I once convinced a teacher to use an IWB and thecnext day a pairvo snakes had sex in their classroom! Therefore IWBs lead to snake sex.

I must not fear. Fear is the Mind-Killer. It is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and to move through me. And when it is gone I will turn the inner eye to see it's path.
When the fear is gone, there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 09:39 AM

And snake sex leads to baby snakes.


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Posted 26 March 2013 - 02:15 PM

My experiances at school were that fear was a big factor to be honest.

It was more about the way the UK school system is set up.  The purpose of secondary school (11-16) is to get you into college. the purpose of college (16-18) is to get you into university, the purpose of university is to get you into a job.

Thats stupid.

It leads to a "do what must be done to tick the box's" culture. And in order to tick box's you have to start comparing children to each other, putting them in "levels" of ever increasing accuracy and complexity. You foster an instant "them and us" idealogy amongst pupils by making it blindingly obvious who is "good" and gonna tick the box's and who is "bad" and is not.

If you dont tick the box's then the world will end, or as good as.  At school I was told by practically everyone that if I failed my exams by life was basically over, i would never get a good job, a home or make ebough to raise a family.  There were reminders every day, non-stop reminding us that we had to pass exams, hit targets.

The fact is that of what I learned at school aged 11-18 i use barely a fraction in daily and work life, I have never in the 6 years since leaving college had to use ANY of the maths i learned between the ages of 11 and 18 for example.  School should in my view teach you about life in general and whould give you the general tools you will need when you are older.  Very few know what they wanna do when older when they are 14, I was not told for example when I was 13-14 that the choices i made about myy GCSE (age 16 exams) would directly effect what i could do at University 3-4 years after.  The result being i could not do several degrees I think i really would have liked.

I think schools should have classes on things such as "How to hang a sheet of wallpaper, how to re-wire a plug socket, how to bake bread, how to change a car tire, how to roast a chicken, how to fill out a tax return or an application for insurance.  How to apply for legal representation, basic British law and its every day applications" there should be far more focus on PROPER work experiance.  UK work experiance at the moment is less than pathetic.  I was carted off to work in Boots where I was use as unpaid slave labour doing heavy lifting for 6 hours a day in a poorly lit store-room to the terse grunted instructions of a miserable woman who mopped around smoking endless roll-ups.  I learnt.... well nothing to be honest, if anything it was so horrible an experiance it put me off work for some time.  There should be placements in interesting and unusual fields and for more than a week, 2 at least, preferably two placement of 2 weeks at differing places.

We currantly shoe-horn kids into narrowing down the focus of their education from the age of 11 or so, i think education should be very broad and general until at LEAST 16 then as an older more mature person the student starts to choose.


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Posted 26 March 2013 - 02:29 PM

View Postpantodragon, on 25 March 2013 - 05:21 PM, said:

Thanks.  You've been a really big help to me here.  Where psychiatrists, psychologists, therapists by the boatload have thrown up their hands in despair, you've gone right to the heart of my/our problems.  Would it be OK if I laid a few more on you, and you could help me out some more?

Weak.


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 03:00 PM

View Postspud the mackem, on 25 March 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

My work was confronting people who import /sell/ use / abuse illegall drugs,so we had to know the law,and P.A.C.E (Police and Criminal Evidence Act), The bad guys were real mean characters,very scary,which you couldn't frighten, so you had to use a brain cell or two to get a confession, and usually the first thing they did was shout for their "brief", (lawyer), so you had to combat that as well.Using FEAR was not an option.They would rather face Jail than face / give up, their Top Man,because that would mean their instant Death,even in Jail.

That's very interesting.

All my "admirers" on this forum might take note of the evidence provided for my insight: I correctly identified you as a policeman, based on a short comment describing your methods of understanding people.  Although you denied being a policeman, as this comment shows, that was a mere technicality.  You are a policeman by another name.  And incidentaly, you wrong footed me with your denial, which just goes to show how you must always rely on your own senses and insights rather than what people tell you.


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 03:03 PM

View Postpantodragon, on 02 April 2013 - 03:00 PM, said:

That's very interesting.

All my "admirers" on this forum might take note of the evidence provided for my insight: I correctly identified you as a policeman, based on a short comment describing your methods of understanding people.  Although you denied being a policeman, as this comment shows, that was a mere technicality.  You are a policeman by another name.  And incidentaly, you wrong footed me with your denial, which just goes to show how you must always rely on your own senses and insights rather than what people tell you.
When will you admit you were a poor teacher?


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 03:05 PM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 26 March 2013 - 09:32 AM, said:

ohh hello there insane comparision.
Well, I once convinced a teacher to use an IWB and thecnext day a pairvo snakes had sex in their classroom! Therefore IWBs lead to snake sex.

As usual, in your haste to shoot me down, you have jumped to conclusions and made a fool of yourself.  If you had bothered to ask, I could have told you that the advice I gave was in the context of life coach and client.


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 03:08 PM

View PostRender, on 26 March 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

Weak.

Weaker and weakest.  Nya, nya, nya nya, nya!  :passifier:


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 03:12 PM

View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 02 April 2013 - 03:03 PM, said:

When will you admit you were a poor teacher?

I take it you're not interested in the evidence, just in the admission?  So, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary: ......wait for it.......here's a wee present for you.... :santa: .... I ADMIT I WAS A BAD TEACHER.

Now, who's good to you?


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 08:52 PM

View Postpantodragon, on 02 April 2013 - 03:00 PM, said:

That's very interesting.

All my "admirers" on this forum might take note of the evidence provided for my insight: I correctly identified you as a policeman, based on a short comment describing your methods of understanding people.  Although you denied being a policeman, as this comment shows, that was a mere technicality.  You are a policeman by another name.  And incidentaly, you wrong footed me with your denial, which just goes to show how you must always rely on your own senses and insights rather than what people tell you.
   Fubar, I was a Commissioned Customs Officer, how wrong can you get,and my son is a Head Master at a High School. I shall not bother with your pathetic comments again. Bye forever.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 10:29 PM

View Postpantodragon, on 16 March 2013 - 04:51 PM, said:

I was a career teacher (in the classroom and in management) as well as a supply (relief) teacher for over 30 years.  I taught in a huge variety of schools: big and small, “good” and “bad”, inner-city, urban and rural.  Fear is endemic to them all, and I can identify some of its sources.

If you had such bad feelings about education and being in a position to at least influence the students you came in contact with...it would be interesting to know if you then went on to provide this fear based education ?

I actually think you probably did more harm than good having that perspective,


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 11:11 PM

View Postpantodragon, on 02 April 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

As usual, in your haste to shoot me down, you have jumped to conclusions and made a fool of yourself.  If you had bothered to ask, I could have told you that the advice I gave was in the context of life coach and client.
Really?
Ohh well that's entirely different.
So it has nothing to do with the use of technology in the classroom then, and more "change this and this, eat more apples and smile more".
Gotcha. So using it in a rant against entirely useful technology in the classroom is like me saying "because one child I was teaching hockey to fell and dislocated their knee, we should ban sports halls in schools".

I must not fear. Fear is the Mind-Killer. It is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and to move through me. And when it is gone I will turn the inner eye to see it's path.
When the fear is gone, there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 11:16 PM

Perhaps being a bit off-topic coming from the other side of the pond, as a teacher in inner cities schools for 35 years I can only summarize as follows. Teaching is both an extremely difficult yet vastly rewarding profession which has no place for the unprepared or timid. It is true that a teacher can be under attack from numerous fronts but those attacks can be deflected by skill, experience and patience. All of the distractions of modern education cannot touch the infectious excitement of learning.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 12:35 AM

View Postcalaf, on 02 April 2013 - 11:16 PM, said:

Perhaps being a bit off-topic coming from the other side of the pond, as a teacher in inner cities schools for 35 years I can only summarize as follows. Teaching is both an extremely difficult yet vastly rewarding profession which has no place for the unprepared or timid. It is true that a teacher can be under attack from numerous fronts but those attacks can be deflected by skill, experience and patience. All of the distractions of modern education cannot touch the infectious excitement of learning.
Hear Hear!
I work in a Independent School here in Australia, one of the truly independent schools - not bound by government mandate, not by religious edict.
It's truly liberating. Education is not a career, it's a calling, actually it's not a calling it's more of a demanding. Even now, here on holidays we're fielding calls and e-mails from colleagues, we're plotting and planning lessons, we're marking work.

I must not fear. Fear is the Mind-Killer. It is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and to move through me. And when it is gone I will turn the inner eye to see it's path.
When the fear is gone, there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 01:44 PM

View Postciriuslea, on 02 April 2013 - 10:29 PM, said:

If you had such bad feelings about education and being in a position to at least influence the students you came in contact with...it would be interesting to know if you then went on to provide this fear based education ?

I actually think you probably did more harm than good having that perspective,

To quote marcus Aurelius: “........................... I seek the truth, which never harmed anyone: the harm is to persist in one's own self-deception and ignorance.”  If pupils are wakened to the truth of what is going on, they can deal with it.  I can tell them how.  If they persist in their delusions, then they are beyond help and will suffer.





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