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Oera Linda Book and the Great Flood [Part 2]


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#2986    gestur

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 01:04 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 20 March 2013 - 12:54 PM, said:

"Also, you have been brainwashed for centuries ...

That should have been "we have been".

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 01:07 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 20 March 2013 - 12:54 PM, said:

... your own 'conspiracy theory'

I could label your theory that the OLB was concocted a 'conspiracy theory'.
It is a term often used to discredit 'alternative' explanations of an accepted reality.

It is a fallacy.
Let's not go there.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 01:16 PM

"you are Otharus"

Wishful thinking?
No seriously, cut that crap, unless you want me banned too.
And clean up your inbox if you want to receive PM's.

I have studied his work from the start, but do not agree with or like everything he wrote.
And he let me use a transcription file he made.
We have more in common, so no wonder if I sound similar.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 01:40 PM

View Postgestur, on 20 March 2013 - 11:34 AM, said:

The verb "to be" is in Dutch "zijn" and in German "sein".

This word may well be related to East-Asian, "Zen", although of course, the mainstream explanation is different.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 01:53 PM

View Postgestur, on 20 March 2013 - 11:13 AM, said:

What happened in German with the name of this weekday offers a good example of how the priesthood has tried to change our language and wipe out older traditions.

From the German wiki:
The name [Mittwoch = midweek] is in use since the 10th century. With this name, the christian missionaries avoided memory of pre-christian deities in the German speaking lands, that remained in foreign terminology.

This was just one example (from Germany) of how "we have been brainwashed for centuries".

If is possible to exterminate a word (in one language only in this case), then it is easily thinkable how books, treasures, buildings etc. got lost, with the same motive. The most important buildings will just have been replaced with a new, bigger and stronger one on the same spot.

This just to illustrate that my idea of "brainwashing" by the church is not merely a "conspiracy theory".

IMO there are plenty of examples, but that would be worth another thread.

If you don't agree, very well, let's disagree for now and move on.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 03:08 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 20 March 2013 - 09:43 AM, said:

It is true, and what Apol translated into Norse may look the same, but there are enough sentences in the OLB he cannot translate into Norse using the same word order.

The Christians may have destroyed much of our culture and so on, but they were not capable to destroy all of the Aztec and Mayan cultures, though they have done their best at it.  Archeologists still dig up artifacts belonging to those cultures.

A culture that was supposed to be all over Europe only left ONE trace: a manuscript in a village in the Netherlands. Who believes that?

Plus: I never suggested that all of our culture came from the Romans and Greeks. If you really believe that, then you should read what I really posted throughout these years.

That is true - few believes that. And that's one of the problems. In fact there are found a lot of archaeological evidence that Northern Europe was inhabited millennias ago. There are thousands and thousands of traces. The North European cultures were seemingly not as occupied with cutting buildings and other monuments from stone as was the case in southern lands. The Egyptian culture was preserved thanks to all the stone and the arid climate. If the northerners only wrote on some sort of paper, or on wood, all writing would certainly also have disintegrated by now. The rest would have been destroyed by conquerors. At the same time, the population in the northern areas was not that big.

The other problem is that no one believes in things that suddenly drops down and tell another story than the one we are used to hear. Man has sent a sonde with pictures of our species and some other information about us into space. I think: "ha, ha, ha!" Well, possible species in other solar systems might be far more developed than us, and be able to handle the situation otherwise than here, if they should happen to find this plaque. But who will believe a terrestrial astronaut saying that he has picked up a plaque in space telling about advanced life in the Andromeda? No one! Except from some cranks, who possibly will make some websites on the Internet. And some unserious TV channels and magazines will surely make some articles and films about it. Scientists will say that the plaque obviously was made on Earth and smuggled into space by this astronaut. And he will have a lot of trouble - he will be ridiculed and possibly even make suicide. No matter how much evidence there might exist for the plaque's authenticity - it will not help AT ALL. Then people are listening to what the scientists tell, and everybody is satisfied.

Edited by Apol, 20 March 2013 - 03:21 PM.


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 09:57 PM

View PostApol, on 20 March 2013 - 03:08 PM, said:

That is true - few believes that. And that's one of the problems. In fact there are found a lot of archaeological evidence that Northern Europe was inhabited millennias ago. There are thousands and thousands of traces. The North European cultures were seemingly not as occupied with cutting buildings and other monuments from stone as was the case in southern lands. The Egyptian culture was preserved thanks to all the stone and the arid climate. If the northerners only wrote on some sort of paper, or on wood, all writing would certainly also have disintegrated by now. The rest would have been destroyed by conquerors. At the same time, the population in the northern areas was not that big.

The other problem is that no one believes in things that suddenly drops down and tell another story than the one we are used to hear. Man has sent a sonde with pictures of our species and some other information about us into space. I think: "ha, ha, ha!" Well, possible species in other solar systems might be far more developed than us, and be able to handle the situation otherwise than here, if they should happen to find this plaque. But who will believe a terrestrial astronaut saying that he has picked up a plaque in space telling about advanced life in the Andromeda? No one! Except from some cranks, who possibly will make some websites on the Internet. And some unserious TV channels and magazines will surely make some articles and films about it. Scientists will say that the plaque obviously was made on Earth and smuggled into space by this astronaut. And he will have a lot of trouble - he will be ridiculed and possibly even make suicide. No matter how much evidence there might exist for the plaque's authenticity - it will not help AT ALL. Then people are listening to what the scientists tell, and everybody is satisfied.

I do not and never did say Europe wasn't inhabited thousands of years ago, That's just silly; you should really look up other forums of this site, and see my posts and threads there.

You say the arid climate in Egypt preserved artifacts, but even in the Netherlands we find artifacts - made of wood for god's sake - that are many, many thousands of years old. In fact the oldest known boat or better, canoe, was found in Pesse, Drenthe. I have posted about remnants discovered in the Netherlands of very modern looking long-houses found in Elsloo., 5000 BCE, pics and all. Minoan amber seals and utensils (1100 BCE) in the German Bight, Minoan/Mycaenian srcipt engraved on some rock in Sweden (1700 BCE). A Bronze Age find in Schleswig-Holstein, a bronze artifact depicting a six-spoked wheel belonging to some priest.

I have posted about lots of archeological finds made here, in the Netherlands, while all of you keep nitpicking about some word or sentence.

And, btw, the OLB mentions inscriptions on the stone walls of the citadels/burghs. That is STONE, not paper.




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Edited by Abramelin, 20 March 2013 - 10:55 PM.


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 10:01 PM

View Postgestur, on 20 March 2013 - 01:40 PM, said:

This word may well be related to East-Asian, "Zen", although of course, the mainstream explanation is different.

Nah, an Otharus would not post something like that.

Sorry, you are not Otharus.


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 10:06 PM

Does any of you have something of a respons to this post of mine (it's about language, so you all should love it) :

http://www.unexplain...3

In case you have 'link-phobia', here it is again:

View PostAbramelin, on 11 March 2013 - 06:51 PM, said:

I have been thinking a lot about the Hittites these last days, and not only because I have been posting about them in another thread on UM.

Their language is the oldest recorded Indo-European language, and so I thought that their language should resemble the OLB Fryan language a lot, because the further back in time you go, the more these Indo-European languages should resemble one another.

That, alas, is not the case. If you think otherwise, try to read the Hittite language with your knowledge of the Fryan language.


Historical Dictionary of the Hittites - by Charles Burney

http://books.google....hattusa&f=false

http://blog.world-my...re-of-hittites/

http://miltiade.page.../hittitesGB.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hittites
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hattusa


THE HITTITES
THE STORY OF A FORGOTTEN EMPIRE.
BY A. H. SAYCE, LL.D. Second Edition 1890.

http://www.gutenberg...3-h/40243-h.htm


http://www.keithhunt.com/Hittite.html

http://www.sjsu.edu/...ins/hittite.htm

http://www.thelatinl...s/hittites.html

Vadar, water, Wasser-how staggering it is to realise that with three thousand years intervening, a Frisian living on the North Sea coast of Germany and a Pennsylvania Dutchman of eastern North America would understand a Hittite's cry of thirst!
http://www.aai.frees...the Scripts.htm



But don't get too exited: it is about just a couple of words.


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This understanding has affected the view of the language family in general. It is now clear that Sanskrit and Greek, with their large number of verbal inflections, developed these after the disruption of the Indo-European family. Among their new developments is the augment, which is found only in Indo-Iranian, Greek, and Armenian. Even in the Homeric language it is not yet used in all forms that require it in Classical Greek. Moreover, Germanic with its much simpler verbal inflection is closer to that of the proto-language and more similar to Hittite than are Sanskrit and Greek. We account for the similarity by assuming that Germanic, like Hittite, was one of the first to leave when the various languages split away from the parent language and that both maintained many of its features, which were later modified in Indo-Iranian, Greek, Latin, and other dialects.

The Source of the Hittites and their Dominance in Central Anatolia

It is generally assumed that the Hittites entered Anatolia some time before 2000 B.C. While their earlier location is disputed, there has been strong evidence for more than a century that the home of the Indo-Europeans in the fourth and third millennia was in what is now southern Russia and the Ukraine. The Hittites and other member of the "Anatolian" language-speaking family, then, came from the north, possibly along the Caspian Sea but perhaps more likely via the Balkans. The dominant inhabitants in central Anatolia at the time were the Hatti (from whom the word "Hittite" was later derived). There were also Assyrian colonies in the country; it was from these that the Hittites adopted cuneiform script.


http://www.utexas.ed.../hitol-0-X.html

http://history-world...ittitesrise.htm

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View PostAbramelin, on 11 March 2013 - 08:00 PM, said:


Funny, though, because there are those who think the Chatti are no one else but the Hatti or Hittites, who disappeard into thin air...

I read somehwere - Google it, I lost the link - that their kings were called "Kheti-siri" the 'sirs of the Hatti'?

And what people thought about the Hittites was based on what the Bible told us about them, but that was long after the hayday of the Hittites.

The OLB talks about colonies in Greece and Crete (and it mentions Troy), so if it's all true, they SHOULD have known about these Hittites.

But there is not ONE word about them in the OLB. Why? Because in the 19th century not much was known about these Hittites.

And they were a people to be reckoned with, as the ancient Egyptians and Israelites were well aware of.

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Edited by Abramelin, 20 March 2013 - 10:20 PM.


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 10:37 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 20 March 2013 - 10:06 PM, said:



But there is not ONE word about them in the OLB. Why? Because in the 19th century not much was known about these Hittites.

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Exactly.


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 10:59 PM

View PostKnul, on 20 March 2013 - 10:37 PM, said:

Exactly.

Thank you.

Now I ask you: will you agree when a post a link to the Stormfront site, where HLH/Otharus is posting?

I don't want you to report me as some kind of nazi again, I have been banned from that stupid site already for not being "White" enough.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 12:11 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 20 March 2013 - 10:06 PM, said:

Does any of you have something of a respons to this post of mine (it's about language, so you all should love it) :

http://www.unexplain...3






The OLB talks about colonies in Greece and Crete (and it mentions Troy), so if it's all true, they SHOULD have known about these Hittites.

But there is not ONE word about them in the OLB. Why? Because in the 19th century not much was known about these Hittites.

And they were a people to be reckoned with, as the ancient Egyptians and Israelites were well aware of.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 03:18 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 20 March 2013 - 09:57 PM, said:

I do not and never did say Europe wasn't inhabited thousands of years ago, That's just silly; you should really look up other forums of this site, and see my posts and threads there.

You say the arid climate in Egypt preserved artifacts, but even in the Netherlands we find artifacts - made of wood for god's sake - that are many, many thousands of years old. In fact the oldest known boat or better, canoe, was found in Pesse, Drenthe. I have posted about remnants discovered in the Netherlands of very modern looking long-houses found in Elsloo., 5000 BCE, pics and all. Minoan amber seals and utensils (1100 BCE) in the German Bight, Minoan/Mycaenian srcipt engraved on some rock in Sweden (1700 BCE). A Bronze Age find in Schleswig-Holstein, a bronze artifact depicting a six-spoked wheel belonging to some priest.

I have posted about lots of archeological finds made here, in the Netherlands, while all of you keep nitpicking about some word or sentence.

And, btw, the OLB mentions inscriptions on the stone walls of the citadels/burghs. That is STONE, not paper.




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We don't know where the inscriptions were placed - if they were written on the very burgh-walls or on the walls of the houses inside the burghs. The houses may have been made of materials other than stone. In the burgh of Ljudgârda they were made of bricks. If the writings were on the burgh-walls, or on stone in general, we do not know whether they were cut into the stone or painted onto it. Moreover, the inscriptions on the burgh-walls would have been the very first that would fall prey to the conquerors' ravage - they would have been annihilated in the most thorough ways. Another problem is that today the remnants of several of the ancient burghs seem to lay under cities.

There you see, the six spoked wheel of the Bronze Age priest may be one artifact with correlation to the OLB. The point is that what has survived the ravages of time, and what has not, is quite random.

Edited by Apol, 21 March 2013 - 03:25 AM.


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Posted 21 March 2013 - 06:57 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 21 March 2013 - 12:11 AM, said:



As i keep being told !.... just because someone is given a name at some time in history does not mean you are going to find traces of them under that name , the name may have been given to them by their enemies , as a derogatory name , as the area they came from , or from hearsay , and may be nothing like what they called themselves ,it may have been given them by the archaeologist who first uncovered traces of them in order to record his find .

a name like Hattians or Hittites would have been un-aspirated in biblical times TTNS or TTTS and could well be a name which was wrongly aspirated like Titans , maybe Tatar or even Attica (often the h being a silent letter)..........all those Ts in the same approximate area , could make you think of a God they may have worshipped in the Gobekli Tepe vicinity .or maybe just their TAT's

Edited by NO-ID-EA, 21 March 2013 - 07:00 AM.


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Posted 21 March 2013 - 08:01 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 20 March 2013 - 10:06 PM, said:

Does any of you have something of a respons to this post of mine (it's about language, so you all should love it) :

http://www.unexplain...3

In case you have 'link-phobia', here it is again:





The OLB talks about colonies in Greece and Crete (and it mentions Troy), so if it's all true, they SHOULD have known about these Hittites.

But there is not ONE word about them in the OLB. Why? Because in the 19th century not much was known about these Hittites.

And they were a people to be reckoned with, as the ancient Egyptians and Israelites were well aware of.

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I think many people of time are not mentioned, there is no reason to mention the Hittites. They are mentioned in the Bible, so even if nothing was known archaeologically about them, their name was already known.

Edited by The Puzzler, 21 March 2013 - 08:03 AM.

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