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[Paracelse]

Beckys_Mom, on 21 February 2012 - 09:43 AM, said:

If that's the case you slept for a long time.. For  it is now  2012... This thread was about  May 2011   lol  Look s like Jesus never came.... If he turns up  in May 2012, I am going to say -  What time do you call this? You're a year late   lol

Come on BMM I was refering to the above mine post   Just read dang it

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I cannot express the love that i feel for this thread still being around almost a year after the "end times".
I might just make a habit of reviving this thread every May 21st. (j/k of course)

[Beckys_Mom]

Paracelse, on 21 February 2012 - 12:43 PM, said:

Come on BMM I was refering to the above mine post   Just read dang it

BMM?  

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Beckys_Mom, on 21 February 2012 - 03:49 PM, said:

BMM?  

Oups and I didn't have a drink yet today

[Beckys_Mom]

Paracelse, on 21 February 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:

Oups and I didn't have a drink yet today

I see  lol..   Anyhoo... The date has now been moved to Dec 2012...   If we get past that one.. I cannot help but wonder what the new date will be next?.............I also wonder if there is a part in the Guinness book of records that show the most dooms day dates ever given ?  

[braveone2u]

ThePitOfReason, on 10 December 2010 - 08:09 AM, said:

May 21, 2011 Jesus Is Coming Back

If Jesus does come back, he wouldn't be what he is. He would be God(?). He probably would be "crucified" again, or assassinated for being a warmonger.

I believe Jesus is God(?). He is one with God(?) as we speak; therefore, that Jesus personality is completely erased, deleted. The real Jesus is not coming back to this world. His "story" is over. He surrendered all that drama.

If a powerful being were to take over his "story," an impostor, Jesus' followers wouldn't be able to tell the difference because that vengeful day of war is ingrained in people's minds and books and films. Many people love that drama, all that Dune-like, "Lord of the Rings," etc., epic battles. Yes, it only takes one being to play that part, and it wouldn't be Jesus, the Christ, however.

Besides, why would a high being care to destroy this perfect matrix, for it runs so efficiently?? Why would a high being care to judge, in the first place...

[Beckys_Mom]

braveone2u, on 21 February 2012 - 09:48 PM, said:

If Jesus does come back, he wouldn't be what he is. He would be God(?). He probably would be "crucified" again, or assassinated for being a warmonger.

Who crucifies people in this day and age?.................... And why would anyone want to do that again?

Why would this character Jesus be called a warmonger ?  

I agree if this Jesus is real, if he returns something will happen to him, and most likely a lot of his own followers could show doubts and some have him locked up in a mental ward along side everyone else who thinks they are Jesus  lol.....  Well they might do if he doesn't start proving himself  .. the irony of blind faith would dance all over that one

Edited by Beckys_Mom, 21 February 2012 - 10:20 PM.

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Beckys_Mom, on 21 February 2012 - 10:20 PM, said:

Who crucifies people in this day and age?.................... And why would anyone want to do that again?

Why would this character Jesus be called a warmonger ?  

I agree if this Jesus is real, if he returns something will happen to him, and most likely a lot of his own followers could show doubts and some have him locked up in a mental ward along side everyone else who thinks they are Jesus  lol.....  Well they might do if he doesn't start proving himself  .. the irony of blind faith would dance all over that one

Hi Beckys Mom. About the sentences that you quoted me... The second sentence has a typo: it should be "wouldn't." "Crucified" is a metaphor, and it's the reason why it's in quotation marks.

Beckys_Mom, on 21 February 2012 - 10:20 PM, said:

some have him locked up in a mental ward along side everyone else who thinks they are Jesus  lol.....  Well they might do if he doesn't start proving himself  .. the irony of blind faith would dance all over that one

That may be so, but apparently, Christianity lasted this long. Proving something otherworldly is not out of reach. And countless of rational people follow certain forms of spirituality for a good reason, and it's not just because of faith. I, for one, follow my path, not because of faith, but because of concrete results. Results are very important to me...

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braveone2u, on 21 February 2012 - 10:40 PM, said:

Hi Beckys Mom. About the sentences that you quoted me... The second sentence has a typo: it should be "wouldn't." "Crucified" is a metaphor, and it's the reason why it's in quotation marks.

I was wondering, I sat thinking.. Who even does that now days ?  

So who would accuse him of being a warmonger  and why?

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      That may be so, but apparently, Christianity lasted this long. Proving something otherworldly is not out of reach. And countless of rational people follow certain forms of spirituality for a good reason, and it's not just because of faith.                  

What you are not taking into full consideration is this -  It is easy to follow something we cannot see  on blind faith.. .But  If someone appear to you in the flesh  claiming to be your God .........You are going to want proof... You will not take their word for it unless you see the proof...  Why? Well because  anyone can make that  claim right?  and Many have done  lol...  See what I am saying ?

What about some  the paranoid Christians that think - Well it could be a demon in disguise?  It could be a trick?  This sort of thing apparently  has already happened to the character Jesus  in the book...He claimed to be  God, and look what they reacted in the story?      It can happen again ..

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Beckys_Mom, on 21 February 2012 - 11:22 PM, said:

So who would accuse him of being a warmonger  and why?

Since I believe that Jesus is no longer in the material and ethereal planes of reality, I will assume that you're talking about the "impostor."

As an example, let's look at Rick Santorum, a senator of the United States of America: many people label him as a warmonger. He's not even Jesus, but he is, however, an ultra-conservative Christian, not just a Republican. Labeling is not hard to do, and spreading it online is as easy as a press of button. And there are many ways to go viral with it, and again, "Santorum" is a good example of that. Actually, I could think of a harsher word than warmonger, but with this current political climate in which we are, I prefer to be low key. To matter enough to be labeled is another story, no doubt. It's the law of nature, I suppose, to buck the opposition.

Beckys_Mom, on 21 February 2012 - 11:22 PM, said:

What you are not taking into full consideration is this -  It is easy to follow something we cannot see  on blind faith.. .But  If someone appear to you in the flesh  claiming to be your God .........You are going to want proof... You will not take their word for it unless you see the proof...  Why? Well because  anyone can make that  claim right?  and Many have done  lol...  See what I am saying ?

What about some  the paranoid Christians that think - Well it could be a demon in disguise?  It could be a trick?  This sort of thing apparently  has already happened to the character Jesus  in the book...He claimed to be  God, and look what they reacted in the story?      It can happen again ..

[What you are not taking into full consideration is this]
I did. You just have to read my post very carefully. My post has many levels to it.


[It is easy to follow something we cannot see on blind faith..] I could only speak for myself on this, but I do look for signs. I don't believe in blind faith alone. I'm part of the media, after all. Also, I'm not a "Christian."


[But If someone appear to you in the flesh claiming to be your God .........You are going to want proof... You will not take their word for it unless you see the proof... Why? Well because anyone can make that claim right? and Many have done lol... See what I am saying ?] Yes, of course, but I knew that. In my life, that's a given. Therefore, our minds are in sync.


[What about some the paranoid Christians that think - Well it could be a demon in disguise?] That alone would be best answered by Christians. On the other hand, JOHN 3:3 states, "...I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again." I totally agree with that; however, the interpretation is the key factor. In the end, the actual event is the important aspect, and it's not going to happen while a person's soul is in this material world.

[Paracelse]

Funny about what you two have been writing about!  If you had read Dostoevski's Grand Inquisitor you would see all the dialectic used by the inquisitor to prove why he has to kill JC again when he came back.  What is the new name for the inquisition nowdays?  Isn't opus dei or something like that now?

http://en.wikipedia....rand_Inquisitor

[braveone2u]

Paracelse, on 22 February 2012 - 06:48 AM, said:

Funny about what you two have been writing about!  

If Jesus were to come back, he would be a Superman-like figure. It would be quite a big difference from the first. Jesus wouldn't be placed on trial; it would be the other way around. Judgment Day.

The conversation above is mainly about an impostor, etc. There's no element of Satan on my side, nor inquisition, none of those. Jesus' "Second Coming" wouldn't be an obscure thing...

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braveone2u, on 22 February 2012 - 07:35 AM, said:

If Jesus were to come back, he would be a Superman-like figure. It would be quite a big difference from the first. Jesus wouldn't be placed on trial; it would be the other way around. Judgment Day.

The conversation above is mainly about an impostor, etc. There's no element of Satan on my side, nor inquisition, none of those. Jesus' "Second Coming" wouldn't be an obscure thing...

For those who believe in this kind of thing.... which is not the case for all people.

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Paracelse, on 22 February 2012 - 09:07 AM, said:

For those who believe in this kind of thing.... which is not the case for all people.

Yes, that's implied on my last post.

[Beckys_Mom]

braveone2u, on 22 February 2012 - 02:36 AM, said:

Since I believe that Jesus is no longer in the material and ethereal planes of reality, I will assume that you're talking about the "impostor."

As an example, let's look at Rick Santorum, a senator of the United States of America: many people label him as a warmonger. He's not even Jesus, but he is, however, an ultra-conservative Christian, not just a Republican. Labeling is not hard to do, and spreading it online is as easy as a press of button. And there are many ways to go viral with it, and again, "Santorum" is a good example of that. Actually, I could think of a harsher word than warmonger, but with this current political climate in which we are, I prefer to be low key. To matter enough to be labeled is another story, no doubt. It's the law of nature, I suppose, to buck the opposition.

Does not mean  Jesus would be the same  or even get accused of the same thing..  He might not ...  That's of course he is real

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I could only speak for myself on this, but I do look for signs. I don't believe in blind faith alone. I'm part of the media, after all. Also, I'm not a "Christian."  

What signs?

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      Yes, of course, but I knew that. In my life, that's a given. Therefore, our minds are in sync.        

Yes, so many may well expect to see proof.. It is  only natural

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  . On the other hand, JOHN 3:3 states, "...I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again." I totally agree with that

If you are not Christian ( as you have noted above) , why would you agree with that?

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              however, the interpretation is the key factor. In the end, the actual event is the important aspect, and it's not going to happen while a person's soul is in this material world.

Say's who?  ... What proof  do any one of us have what is really going to happen  IF it ever were to take place?  ....  Lets Say  this Jesus is for real, who is to say he will be just what the Christians expect? If God were to come down, God can shock a lot of people including Christians  and they fid out that all they have read and believed was not exactly how it really is.. It can happen  IF God did come down to us.....  

I say all of this because, I am a follower of God, but I am not Christian...  So I ask myself,  - What IF God does come down to us all, and he is not what billions of religious expect...what effect does it then have?.. Will chaos and panic break out ?

I also ask - What if I find I am wrong ?  What will my own reaction be?  And others like me?

So after asking myself al the questions under the sun,  I came to a wide conclusion... And I tell myself this - Do not sit and wonder if God will come down to see us and lay judgement and so on... It is pointless looking out for signs and making up dates when  I think it all may happen, only to be proven wrong each time I make a date.... It is a waste of time.. Life is for living... So always expect the unexpected, and just get on with life...  
Therefore I am not sitting around with wild imaginations expecting anything of the sort.I am not going to take other peoples word for it with no proof, other than a book with more peoples guesses ..... My view is - If it happens so be it, if not again so be it... Nothing we can do either way

Edited by Beckys_Mom, 22 February 2012 - 01:00 PM.

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Beckys_Mom, on 22 February 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

Say's who?  ... What proof  do any one of us have what is really going to happen  IF it ever were to take place?  ....  Lets Say  this Jesus is for real, who is to say he will be just what the Christians expect? If God were to come down, God can shock a lot of people including Christians  and they fid out that all they have read and believed was not exactly how it really is.. It can happen  IF God did come down to us.....  

I say all of this because, I am a follower of God, but I am not Christian...  So I ask myself,  - What IF God does come down to us all, and he is not what billions of religious expect...what effect does it then have?.. Will chaos and panic break out ?

I also ask - What if I find I am wrong ?  What will my own reaction be?  And others like me?

So after asking myself al the questions under the sun,  I came to a wide conclusion... And I tell myself this - Do not sit and wonder if God will come down to see us and lay judgement and so on... It is pointless looking out for signs and making up dates when  I think it all may happen, only to be proven wrong each time I make a date.... It is a waste of time.. Life is for living... So always expect the unexpected, and just get on with life...  
Therefore I am not sitting around with wild imaginations expecting anything of the sort.I am not going to take other peoples word for it with no proof, other than a book with more peoples guesses ..... My view is - If it happens so be it, if not again so be it... Nothing we can do either way

Wow for once I enterily aggree with you. . . 100%    and as a French singer use to sing (he died in the 80's)in a song titled the Mescreant:  I've never in killed anyone, never rapped one either, and for a while already I haven't stolen anything, if the eternel exists he will notice I don't behave worse than those who do have faith.

Edited by Paracelse, 22 February 2012 - 01:54 PM.