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Mars discovery "one for the history books"


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#76    bison

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 03:22 PM

The simple version of what this could mean? The possibility of very strong scientific evidence of life on another world. Evidence which has been carefully checked, and  rechecked and will stand up to rigorous examination. If life can exist in such diverse environments as those of Earth and Mars, this discovery speaks of a universe teeming with life.


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Posted 24 November 2012 - 08:47 PM

If it is evidence of life, it would either be past life i.e when Mars was teeming with streams - Where there is water, there is life the saying goes. However, if life forms were discovered right now in the soil, my only hope in this life will have been fulfilled, we are not alone!


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Posted 24 November 2012 - 10:43 PM

Re write the History Books  I say ! Lets hope that they release something on that scale ! We can dream afterall ,Right ?

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 09:40 PM

View Post747400, on 24 November 2012 - 10:24 AM, said:

I mean, even if they found overwhelming evidence of something Organic, in other words that they had found some sort of Life, whether animal or plant, you can bet that they'd put it in the most dry scientific terms (e.g. some of the material in the soil sample was not minerals, but something finely granular, which is amorphous appearing with the x-ray laser, a sentence which I can guarantee most people would have to read at least three times to understand what it might mean), that a good 82% of people of people would go "What?". It was the same with the Higgs Bison. For all the talk of "God particle", do anyone outside the Scientific community really have the vaguest idea what it actually means or what it might mean for Humanity?

I love that comment .....scientific results would be like this:

Element Percent by Mass Oxygen 65 Carbon 18 Hydrogen 10 Nitrogen 3 Calcium 1.5 Phosphorus 1.2 Potassium 0.2 Sulfur 0.2 Chlorine 0.2 Sodium 0.1 Magnesium 0.05 Iron, Cobalt, Copper, Zinc, Iodine <0.05 each Selenium, Fluorine <0.01 each

We won't even mention that's a human LOL :)


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Posted 26 November 2012 - 08:28 PM

Lets be honest... the finding will be intensely boring, no evidence of "life" on Mars, perhaps they have found a Gold Lodestone.. Anybody releasing this hyperbole, that has been released, is just feeding into the desire to find extra - terrestrial life at whetever level of evolution..

I think the final release will just bore us all to death!! IMO


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Posted 26 November 2012 - 09:00 PM

View Postkeithisco, on 26 November 2012 - 08:28 PM, said:

Lets be honest... the finding will be intensely boring, no evidence of "life" on Mars, perhaps they have found a Gold Lodestone.. Anybody releasing this hyperbole, that has been released, is just feeding into the desire to find extra - terrestrial life at whetever level of evolution..

I think the final release will just bore us all to death!! IMO

I assume you are saying this because if Curiosity had indeed discovered life, even traces of life, then the news would be too amazing to keep quiet about, even if they had to make absolutely sure that they were sure of the discovery and so take a few weeks to analyse the data. Otherwise your saying this because you are a glass is half empty kinda guy. Why not be optomistic about the possibility of life being discovered elsewere in the universe? As well, you seem to be assuming that life should have been discovered already elsewere in the universe long ago and so have given up on the search for it. Strange, considering that space technology is still in its infancy.

Edited by Twin Peaks, 26 November 2012 - 09:01 PM.


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Posted 26 November 2012 - 09:51 PM

View PostTwin Peaks, on 26 November 2012 - 09:00 PM, said:

I assume you are saying this because if Curiosity had indeed discovered life, even traces of life, then the news would be too amazing to keep quiet about, even if they had to make absolutely sure that they were sure of the discovery and so take a few weeks to analyse the data. Otherwise your saying this because you are a glass is half empty kinda guy. Why not be optomistic about the possibility of life being discovered elsewere in the universe? As well, you seem to be assuming that life should have been discovered already elsewere in the universe long ago and so have given up on the search for it. Strange, considering that space technology is still in its infancy.

Highlighted part: Why do you assume this???Nothing in my post suggests this. NO life of any sort has been detected outside of the Earth. Life MOST certainly does exist outside of our solar system and possibly within it, we have yet to see the proof. That is the point of my post.

If it is a Geologically unexpected phenomena then I will be very excited, if it is EVIDENCE of life (either micro or macro biotic, I will be equally excited). This point in time when a "hint" of something is made is entirely specious, because we have been there before. Give us all (the Cloud Community) more raw data. Let everyone analyse this data..

Edited by keithisco, 26 November 2012 - 09:52 PM.


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Posted 26 November 2012 - 10:11 PM

Ok...you went from being negative to being positive and my reasons for my post are blatently obvious considering your previous post. I will say this anyway though, that it seems you have given up all hope of finding martian life... . But now you suddenly changed your tune.


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Posted 26 November 2012 - 11:54 PM

A new article today, at space.com. It affirms, with expert opinion, the significance of finding organic compounds now, for the apparent detections of life on Mars a generation ago by the Viking landers. It also mentions a scientific consensus that organic compounds are the likeliest thing for Curiosity to have found, given its capabilities and current activity. If the earliest date given for the NASA press briefing on this (Dec. 3rd) is correct, we have just one week to wait. Link to article:   http://www.space.com...peculation.html


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Posted 27 November 2012 - 10:23 AM

Historic! Whatever they may find there most probably it is somekind of primitive it did not evolved to something else. My first notion Obviously there is no evidence of any kind of structure like buildings, highways, bridges or something made of different kind of elements so that might mean the ones living on this planet is not thinking like humans it is more of an animal. Or, if there is really any structure or living things it might have been pulverized by time so they have to find out also how old is the planet maybe millions of years now, are the scientists already estimeted how old is the EARTH? Or, maybe the structure or any evidence is only buried under the sands. My take this mission is 80% useless, You don't have to be a scientist to think of my first notion.

Edited by brainiac, 27 November 2012 - 10:24 AM.


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Posted 27 November 2012 - 10:59 AM

I'm happy to wait :)

And just to add, I think if there were evidence of life on multiple planets in the same solar system that it would more than likely be of the same origin.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 11:06 AM

"Whatever Curiosity has found, it is not evidence for life on Mars. It can't be. Curiosity is not designed to look for life. Grotzinger has stated this himself. In a Nasa video about the mission, he says, "Curiosity is not a life detection mission. We're not actually looking for life; we don't have the ability to detect life if it was there."

Scroll down this page for the full story:  http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/across-the-universe/2012/nov/23/curiosity-rover-life-mars

What? cant detect life?

Well clearly this story has been overhyped by the media, see:

"The stories derive from an interview conducted by NPR reporter Joe Palca with Curiosity Project Scientist John Grotzinger in which Grotzinger said, "This data is gonna be one for the history books. It's looking really good."By the time the story reached the pages of the UK's Daily Express, it had turned into: "Nasa are set to reveal what could be the most significant scientific discovery in modern times, teasingly stating they have unearthed something on Mars 'for the history books'.

(http://www.guardian....rover-life-mars)

Edited by seeder, 27 November 2012 - 11:12 AM.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 08:33 PM

Granted, that Curiosity is not a life-seeking mission, per se, and that it can not detect life directly. It has no experimental chamber in which soil samples, perhaps containing life, could be fed, and the reactions monitored, as the Viking probes did. Curiosity *does* have the ability to analyze the chemical elements of a sample, down to the isotopic level. We know that life strongly favors the use of the lighter carbon isotope, carbon 12, over the heavier carbon 13. If carbon 12 is predominant in a sample, this will have to be explained. Perhaps the best and simplest explanation is the presence of life. Together with the positive findings of life by the Viking probes, which were disregarded when no organic matter could be found in the soil, the ready finding of organic matter *now*, which implies that it is very common, would complete the picture of life on Mars.


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Posted 28 November 2012 - 05:09 AM

There is a new article out says that the PR people at NASA are saying it is nothing, just over enthusiast scientists making broad statements.

http://www.pcmag.com...,2412567,00.asp
Curiosity's 'Historic' Mars Discovery Just a Big Misunderstanding

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It seems that the misunderstanding between Grotzinger and NPR came about because the NASA scientist was discussing Curiosity's mission and findings in general terms as "historic," while the public radio programmer interpreted his words as a reference to a specific and recent discovery made by the surface probe.

So Grotzinger's reference to a recent Curiosity soil sample-collecting foray that the mission's "science team is busily chewing away on" was simply a description of the scientific process the team uses rather than a hint at a specific finding by the rover in the Martian soil, according to Wills.

McGregor further explained that the scientist's discussion of new Curiosity data set to be released in December was just a reference to "a press conference slated for Dec. 3 at the American Geophysical Union (AGU) meeting" which has "been on the books since Curiosity actually landed on Mars and does not coincide with a major announcement," Wills reported.


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Posted 28 November 2012 - 03:34 PM

I don't suppose that, as a social media manager for NASA, Mr. McGregor have been given the information available to the Curiosity science team, and which they have been holding onto so closely.  Guy Webster, a JPL press operative has also been making minimizing statements about the discovery. In a New York Times article this morning, he admits that he does not know what Curiosity has found. Meanwhile, Charles Elachi, director at JPL, has said at a meeting in Rome, that Curiosity may have found organic molecules, and that this matter will be covered at the American Geophysical Union meeting, on Dec. 3rd. The fact that this meeting was scheduled in advance of the supposed discovery on Mars is not of the essence. There are many scientific meetings. This one  simply appears to occur at the opportune time.  Link to article:  http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/28/science/space/undisclosed-findings-by-mars-rover-fuels-intrigue.html

Edited by bison, 28 November 2012 - 03:40 PM.





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