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[Lion6969]

Arbenol68, on 27 December 2012 - 01:31 AM, said:

That's a whopper of a strawman you've built yourself there.

If god is at the centre if religious people lives then logically it follows that unbelief replaces him with one self, it's not gonna be another deity is it? It's yourself who is god and becomes central in the universe. Ie individualism, atomism abd atheism!

[HavocWing]

Lion6969, on 27 December 2012 - 01:57 AM, said:

If god is at the centre if religious people lives then logically it follows that unbelief replaces him with one self, it's not gonna be another deity is it? It's yourself who is god and becomes central in the universe. Ie individualism, atomism abd atheism!

Why does one have to believe only in one thing???  Has humanity become so narrow minded that the only way to be accepted is just to choose one thing and side against everything else???

I believe in balance, that I am equal to everyone else and they are equal to me.  I try not to place myself at the center no more than I would anyone else.

[AquilaChrysaetos]

HavocWing, on 27 December 2012 - 02:06 AM, said:

Why does one have to believe only in one thing???  Has humanity become so narrow minded that the only way to be accepted is just to choose one thing and side against everything else???

You reach a fork in the road, one path leads east, the other leads west. How then is it possible for you to take both paths simultaneously?

At some point, someone has to chose.

[HavocWing]

AquilaChrysaetos, on 27 December 2012 - 02:38 AM, said:

You reach a fork in the road, one path leads east, the other leads west. How then is it possible for you to take both paths simultaneously?

At some point, someone has to chose.

I choose freedom.

[Likely Guy]

WOO HOO! We're #3!! We're #3!!

I'll sit down and shut up now.

[Lion6969]

little_dreamer, on 27 December 2012 - 01:36 AM, said:

Sorry Lion6969, it's not as black and white as you make it to be.

It's as black and White as I said.

It's said on this thread that religious people have god at the centre of their universe, so logically it follows that irreligious folk replace that with something else, now if your atheist then lean towards it's doctrine and philosophy unless your a band wagon atheist and it's easier to jump on band wagons. You lean towards atomism, individualism, etc etc, these are the philosophical foundations of atheism, these philosophies centred around the self, the self is god. So the irreligious replace god with themselves.

[Arbenol68]

Lion6969, on 27 December 2012 - 01:57 AM, said:

If god is at the centre if religious people lives then logically it follows that unbelief replaces him with one self, it's not gonna be another deity is it? It's yourself who is god and becomes central in the universe. Ie individualism, atomism abd atheism!

It does not logically follow. For an atheist, God is a man made phenomenon. It needs replacing with nothing. Maybe you should read about atheists and how they actually see the world rather than just making something up (or simply repeating what someone else made up).

[AquilaChrysaetos]

Lion6969, on 27 December 2012 - 02:55 AM, said:

It's as black and White as I said.

It's said on this thread that religious people have god at the centre of their universe, so logically it follows that irreligious folk replace that with something else, now if your atheist then lean towards it's doctrine and philosophy unless your a band wagon atheist and it's easier to jump on band wagons. You lean towards atomism, individualism, etc etc, these are the philosophical foundations of atheism, these philosophies centred around the self, the self is god. So the irreligious replace god with themselves.

I mostly agree. Although as many people probably do view themselves as God or a god, I'm sure most of them don't. They have however replaced what would be the position of God in their lives, with themselves. Just wanted to clarify that a little.

[Rlyeh]

Lion6969, on 27 December 2012 - 12:54 AM, said:

Those who claim their unbelief is not a religion, they are kidding themselves because their unbelief is also built on the foundations of faith, ie they have faith in the belief that there is no god, because it cannot be proven definitively, their whole belief of unbelief is faith based just like a believers. Lol, the irony is sweet!

You're not too bright. Just because you believe in a god doesn't mean it has any relevance to a non-believer.

[HavocWing]

Arbenol68, on 27 December 2012 - 02:59 AM, said:

It does not logically follow. For an atheist, God is a man made phenomenon. It needs replacing with nothing. Maybe you should read about atheists and how they actually see the world rather than just making something up (or simply repeating what someone else made up).

You're wasting you're time, he seems like one of those christians who think they are going to heaven to watch down on those who aren't one of them burning in agony in the lake of fire with a great big grin on his face.

[AquilaChrysaetos]

Arbenol68, on 27 December 2012 - 02:59 AM, said:

It does not logically follow. For an atheist, God is a man made phenomenon. It needs replacing with nothing.

I understand that, however in religion, God is the center of everything they do. They do what is according to God. In aitheism, they make decisions in life entirely by themselves, and don't follow anyone or anything. Therefore their "God" is themselves because they only follow their own decisions. Do you understand what I'm getting at?

[Lion6969]

HavocWing, on 27 December 2012 - 02:06 AM, said:

Why does one have to believe only in one thing???  Has humanity become so narrow minded that the only way to be accepted is just to choose one thing and side against everything else???

You believe that there is no god, that's a belief based on faith, so the question you ask applies to you too. However I never said you have to believe anything but you still will believe in things regardless, like you believe there is no god when it is not a substantiated certainty.

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I believe in balance, that I am equal to everyone else and they are equal to me.  I try not to place myself at the center no more than I would anyone else.

Sure that's sounds empathetic and sweet on paper, but if you adhere to atheistic philosophy then the individual takes priority, ie the self. Existence serves the self? No? Yes? Ofcourse it is in your philosophy, cause the devout religious person serves god, and still see everyone as his equal etc but he serves one greater than him and everything. Diametrical opposition to this is logically self worship (not ritualistic) but serving the self over and above everything, you claim otherwise but you really know it's true! I was atheist remember and I was atheist cause I knew and adhered to it's philosophy. When you serve god, the existence us temporal and therefore a means to an end, when you serve yourself, then existence is everything, and everything within it (ie materialism) is the route to success. Thus the self becomes of upmost importance over anything.

[Likely Guy]

Lion6969, on 27 December 2012 - 02:55 AM, said:

So the irreligious replace god with themselves.

I see your point, but as an agnostic, I have to disagree.

[AquilaChrysaetos]

In other words, when you follow no one, you follow yourself. From a religious person's view, you're replacing what would be God's position (in their eyes) with yourself. The vise-versa can be said from the eyes of an aitheist. He could see a religious person replacing themselves with what they believe to be an imaginary figurehead called God.

At least I think that's what Lion6969 is saying...

[Lion6969]

AquilaChrysaetos, on 27 December 2012 - 03:00 AM, said:

I mostly agree. Although as many people probably do view themselves as God or a god, I'm sure most of them don't. They have however replaced what would be the position of God in their lives, with themselves. Just wanted to clarify that a little.

You see my friend the ones that claim they have not replaced god with themselves ate generally band wagon atheists, they don't actually fully understand it's premises, implications, and philosophical foundations. I was atheist cause I knew and strongly believed in those foundations. Most of them don't realise it, it does not take deep critical thinking and pondering to come to the realisation that removing god from the centre you logically replace him with yourself.