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Fish cannot feel pain say scientists

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#76    Mantis914

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 06:31 PM

I'm not sure about pain, but I think I can prove that fish feel discomfort.  Anyone ever heard of Ick or Ich (not German for "I")?  Fish develop spots and start to rub themselves on any abrasive surfaces constantly to relieve the irritation.  If they can't stand this kind of discomfort, then I would think they are probably able to feel pain.  

Another example, my dog was sleeping under the coffee table the other day and when I called him he reared up and bumped his head so hard that it jolted everything on the table.  I know he must've been seeing stars but he still came up to me to say, "What???" even though he didn't display any sign of pain...

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 10:16 PM

We can't even stop the needless torture and killing of millions of fellow human beings each year and yet some of you are worried about if a fish feels pain? Priorities people, priorities.


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Posted 18 January 2013 - 11:11 PM

View PostEinsteinium, on 18 January 2013 - 10:16 PM, said:

We can't even stop the needless torture and killing of millions of fellow human beings each year and yet some of you are worried about if a fish feels pain? Priorities people, priorities.

That's a false dichotomy.  It's possible to be concerned about both.


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Posted 19 January 2013 - 09:54 PM

View PostMantis914, on 18 January 2013 - 06:31 PM, said:

I'm not sure about pain, but I think I can prove that fish feel discomfort.  Anyone ever heard of Ick or Ich (not German for "I")?  Fish develop spots and start to rub themselves on any abrasive surfaces constantly to relieve the irritation.  If they can't stand this kind of discomfort, then I would think they are probably able to feel pain.  

Another example, my dog was sleeping under the coffee table the other day and when I called him he reared up and bumped his head so hard that it jolted everything on the table.  I know he must've been seeing stars but he still came up to me to say, "What???" even though he didn't display any sign of pain...

The fish condition that you mention is more commonly known as 'white spot' and is a parasitic infection. It is easy to cure if treated early but if allowed to go untreated it is fatal. It would most definitely cause the infected fish to feel irritated.

The article from Practical Fishkeeping magazine at the following link gives a much better understanding of the current question of whether or not fish feel pain: http://www.practical...tm_content=html

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 10:04 PM

View PostJoSmith, on 15 January 2013 - 11:39 AM, said:

James Rose has been a long-term apologist for the angling industry. This is a review article only, offering opinion. There is a wealth of scientific research that makes it clear that fish do fish pain. For details on the real science see www.fishpain.com

See also: http://www.practical...tm_content=html

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 11:17 PM

This article is bull****, read here: http://www.practical...tm_content=html


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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:14 AM

Thank you Mr S for posting. I have gotten to were I really hate reporters.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 04:33 AM

View PostDarkwind, on 20 January 2013 - 01:14 AM, said:

Thank you Mr S for posting. I have gotten to were I really hate reporters.
Reporters love to put a spin on things, if i remember correctly an old lecturer of mine was in the papers with headlines that he had found that a species of invertebrate could save us all from global warming. Turns out in reality he had found that the invertebrate was able to survive large temperature variations, a little less glamorous than saving the world ;)

Heres the paper from the OP i think. http://onlinelibrary....12010/abstract

By the looks of the review its not saying that the don't get the sensory feeling of pain, its more that they dont percieve pain in the way mammals do, although im not an expert from the studies i would say they do.


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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:01 PM

Thats old agenda which wanted to describe hierarchy in life world.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:30 PM

Do humans feel pain? There's only one way to find out! :clap:

http://www.youtube.c...&v=Fhm8_1yUqug#!

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:45 PM

View Postskookum, on 14 January 2013 - 10:10 PM, said:

I really can't see the point of capturing something, putting it through a trauma just to look at it and put it back.  Each to their own I guess.
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Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:57 PM

View PostSky Scanner, on 15 January 2013 - 09:36 PM, said:

They are highly sort after prize catch over here, on most carp lakes the regulars know the stock well, their size at the last catch, their feeding habits etc....the fish get better treatment then many of the fellas wives ;)
Really?    Interesting.   Are they eaten?   Carp is not a very good fish to eat.  Up and down the Mississippi there are bounties out on asian carp.   I think as much as $1 each in some parts.    The fish is ruining the river and connecting rivers as well as nearby lakes.  
Hopefully they go the way of the thylacine, but I don't see it ever happening.


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Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:58 PM

View Postredhen, on 17 January 2013 - 02:25 AM, said:

Not so. It stops  Hindus, Jains, Buddhsts and all the ethical vegans and vegetarians in the world.
But they kill the plants. :tsu:


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Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:59 PM

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skookum, on 14 January 2013 - 10:10 PM, said:
I really can't see the point of capturing something, putting it through a trauma just to look at it and put it back.  Each to their own I guess.

We could ask our alien abductors what their point is.

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