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By: Dan Weil

President Barack Obama’s own smoking habit represents the most obvious sign that his healthcare reform plan was ill-conceived, says financial author James Dale Davidson.

“It’s always a bad sign when you have a Congress that’s so feeble-minded that it will take trillions of dollars worth of health advice from a smoker,” Davidson, a columnist for Newsmax’s Financial Intelligence Report newsletter, told Newsmax.TV.

“Why should anybody believe anything Obama says about health, because we know he’s the type of person who’s willing to take a huge risk where health is concerned, otherwise he wouldn’t be smoking?”

The real healthcare problem in this country is a shortage of hospitals, doctors and nurses, says Davidson, co-author of several financial books with William Rees-Mogg

“Obamacare does nothing to increase the supply of doctors, hospitals and nurses,” Davidson said.

“It just adds millions of more patients to push in and raise the costs of all these services. . . . It’s totally idiotic to think this is going to reduce costs

http://moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Davidson-Obama-Smoking-Habit/2010/04/07/id/354984b

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Some may find this hard to believe but there are doctors that smoke too. Mole hill at best.

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Yeah, my doctor smokes. . .and then gripes about me doing it. :P

And I know a lot of nurses (there's no shortage of them down here. EVERYONE goes to college for nursing where I live), and they all smoke. I don't think it's that big of a deal.

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Yeah, my doctor smokes. . .and then gripes about me doing it. :P

And I know a lot of nurses (there's no shortage of them down here. EVERYONE goes to college for nursing where I live), and they all smoke. I don't think it's that big of a deal.

If smoking was illegal than I could see the issue. There is a hint of hypocrisy but really it's anyones choice to smoke.

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So doctors, lawyers, police officers, and million and millions of run-of-the-mill civilians can smoke, and that's their "right..."

But when the President smokes, it's an evil thing that shows what a horrible person he is?

Right. Whatever :rolleyes: So which is it? Is smoking a personal right, or a horrible thing that no one should ever do for fear of being condemned and ridiculed?

Seriously. If you have to reach this far to try to condemn Obama, you're either desperate, gullible, or both. There are plenty of legitimate things to criticize him over - picking on his smoking habit (a total non-issue for us elitist thinking folks) is plain old hypocritical and shows just how credible the person making the complaint is.

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“Obamacare does nothing to increase the supply of doctors, hospitals and nurses,” Davidson said.

Title V: Health Care Workforce.

Are you ever going to read this thing? Reading articles about a law written by people who haven't read it themselves won't work.

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Right. Whatever rolleyes.gif So which is it? Is smoking a personal right, or a horrible thing that no one should ever do for fear of being condemned and ridiculed?

We are taxing smokers about 400% per pack of cigarette.

so you tell us, is it a horrible thing that the govt needs to punish the smokers with taxes?

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Yeah, my doctor smokes. . .and then gripes about me doing it. tongue.gif

And I know a lot of nurses (there's no shortage of them down here. EVERYONE goes to college for nursing where I live), and they all smoke. I don't think it's that big of a deal.

You are probably one of those who said, "YEAH, smoking is really bad we have to tax it even higher!".

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Well, the "issue" with Obama's smoking, and even drinking, is that he's been working on the healthcare reform. You'd expect, but probably not demand, that someone involved in healthcare might actually take care of his or her own health. But it really is a molehill, not a mountain.

Oh, Aroces, by the way. . . since smoking is a bad health habit that serves no good medical benefit, and the only reason our country even allows it would be for taxes and the inevitable "People will do it," why don't we tax it to hell? Fewer people will smoke, and that by itself will benefit healthcare. The ones who keep paying out the nose for smokes, well. . . they'll contribute more to taxes than they used to, and we can probably do a little more without adding taxes to nonsmokers too.

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Surely if people were going to ignore Obama's opinion on healthcare because he smokes they would also have to ignore the opinion of anyone who drinks, eats junk food or doesn't exercise. Would there be anyone left?

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Well. . . if the bodybuilding fitness freaks are examined over a lifetime and found to indeed be healthier than everyone else, they'd be the ones to go to to find out healthy lifestyle tips, sort of. You should certainly customize what they did to fit your own life, since no two people are exactly alike. And if there were any healthcare professionals like that, who could manage to both care for others' health and their own, they also would be the ones to look to for healthcare. Sadly, they'd probably come off as elitist and arrogant.

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Surely if people were going to ignore Obama's opinion on healthcare because he smokes they would also have to ignore the opinion of anyone who drinks, eats junk food or doesn't exercise. Would there be anyone left?

Well said.

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Surely if people were going to ignore Obama's opinion on healthcare because he smokes they would also have to ignore the opinion of anyone who drinks, eats junk food or doesn't exercise. Would there be anyone left?

If it's the same, then why do we keep taxing tobacco like it's is so bad that we have no choice but to punish people until they quit?

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If it's the same, then why do we keep taxing tobacco like it's is so bad that we have no choice but to punish people until they quit?

Here in Canada they most certinly punish the smoker through tax's and it sucks, well only if you smoke. If I were a smoker in America I would expect tax's to go up on smokes, no doubt it will happen.

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We are taxing smokers about 400% per pack of cigarette.

so you tell us, is it a horrible thing that the govt needs to punish the smokers with taxes?

:blink:

Anything to criticise Obama on, eh?

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Here in Canada they most certinly punish the smoker through tax's and it sucks, well only if you smoke. If I were a smoker in America I would expect tax's to go up on smokes, no doubt it will happen.

A pack cost now $5, $4 are taxes.

Its already happening, it's a popular taxation that politicians keeps sucking on until it dries up. That is how it is, if the public approves taxation on anything then politician will definitely keep raising the tax on it using the momentum. Education is another example.

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If it's the same, then why do we keep taxing tobacco like it's is so bad that we have no choice but to punish people until they quit?

Because it's directly related to a catastrophic illness- lung cancer-- and it makes sense that the people who enjoy the habit (which I have no problem with even though I have respiratory problems & allergies) should fund the research on lung cancer.

Tobacco smoking is a good example when you think about the pluses and minuses of various health care options. To me the prohibition against smoking in bars is ridiculously overkill. If people want to avoid it, they should just go to bars where people don't smoke. It should be up to the business owner. But there are lots of good arguments on all sides.

To say that Obama's attitude towards health care is irrelevant because he smokes is overkill too (IMO). I mean, most of us have at least one unhealthy habit.

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Anything to criticise Obama on, eh?

Oh you bet!

You want the entire nation to just nod their heads on whatever Obama does?

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if the public approves taxation on anything then politician will definitely keep raising the tax on it using the momentum. Education is another example.

Do you think we should spend less on education?

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A pack cost now $5, $4 are taxes.

Its already happening, it's a popular taxation that politicians keeps sucking on until it dries up. That is how it is, if the public approves taxation on anything then politician will definitely keep raising the tax on it using the momentum. Education is another example.

In a few years your cig's will cost $10.00 and expect booze to double as well. Is it a bad thing to tax those things 800%? imo no as it is clearly picking on a certain social group. They had to lower tax's on those things here not to long ago as they went to far and people here refuse to pay more than we are now. The politicians found there tax limit on those items. I'm not blaming Obama for this in america as it's to be expected and he will have preasure from health orgs bashing the tobaco and booze industry and saying they drain the healthcare system.

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Do you think we should spend less on education?

Definitely!

We spend the most on Education than any other country in the world, is it better now? NO

As you can see you cant keep pouring money on a broken system and keep the same system with the same guards that failed in the first place.

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We are taxing smokers about 400% per pack of cigarette.

so you tell us, is it a horrible thing that the govt needs to punish the smokers with taxes?

Yea I no longer smoke myself and been off of them for the last two years. The price p***ed me off enough to quit them. The 400% tax thing they can kiss my ass over.

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You are probably one of those who said, "YEAH, smoking is really bad we have to tax it even higher!".

Not really. I'm one of those that don't really give a damn. Smoking is bad for you, and there's no question about that. Drinking is bad for you too. So, I can understand, if you choose to partake in these activities that are high risk, you should pay for it. Apparently you don't care about paying for it with your health, so maybe you'll care about paying for it through your wallet. I have to admit, I've cut down quite a bit since the prices went up. . .and I'm proud of myself for it. B)

If its that much of a problem for people, then grow your own damn tobacco and make your own cigarettes. They'd probably be slightly better for you anyways without all the additives. Its not like tobacco is a plant that requires a lot of attention, even the hand of death could manage to sprout those seeds. :tu:

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