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Neanderthal clues to cancer origins

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#1    Still Waters

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 08:20 PM

A Neanderthal living 120,000 years ago had a cancer that is common today, according to a fossil study.

A fossilised Neanderthal rib found in a shallow cave at Krapina, Croatia, shows signs of a bone tumour.

The discovery is the oldest evidence yet of a tumour in the human fossil record, say US scientists.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...onment-22780717

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 09:57 PM

Welcome to Croatia! Origin of cancer!

Thats sound like great tourist propaganda. :w00t:

Edit:Great discovery. So we now know it isnt modern disease.

Edited by the L, 06 June 2013 - 10:05 PM.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 11:07 PM

I think many of the disease we get have been around for a long time.  It really doesn't surprise cancer is one of them and most species gets it.  Evidence of heart disease was found in mummies.  Probably wasn't as likely to get it as we are.


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Posted 07 June 2013 - 04:33 AM

Very cool find.so cancer has been around for millions of years.


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Posted 07 June 2013 - 01:29 PM

It clearly says 120,000 years ago.. no where near a million.


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Posted 07 June 2013 - 03:03 PM

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It clearly says 120,000 years ago.. no where near a million.




I think what he meant is, if it's been around 100,000+ plus years, chances are its been around for a heck of a lot longer. Just my two cents.


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Posted 07 June 2013 - 06:15 PM

Cancer is an unwanted cell mutation.  Evolution is a wanted mutation.


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Posted 07 June 2013 - 11:03 PM

View Postpaperdyer, on 07 June 2013 - 06:15 PM, said:

Cancer is an unwanted cell mutation.  Evolution is a wanted mutation.

This is true all living things have cancer cells.  Those who have cancer are those whose body cannot fight it for what ever reason.

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Posted 08 June 2013 - 02:55 PM

Even the simple act of grilling meat causes charring which, in turn, has been associated with higher risks of certain types of cancers. It seems, we are victims of our natural environment, our genetic mutation, and our invention.


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Posted 08 June 2013 - 11:24 PM

Nature is not pristine. While we may think of clean untouched places the truth is that there are carcinogens and outright poisons everywhere.


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Posted 09 June 2013 - 02:44 PM

When the spanish first entered the la basin.  They complained about having a hard time breathing, and their eyes vwere watering.  It seems that thay had gotten hit by smog.

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Posted 09 June 2013 - 03:29 PM

Single celled organisms are little cancers.  Multi-cellular life has to suppress the natural tendency of all cells to reproduce up to the carrying capacity of the environment, and the war cannot be won without eliminating the animal's ability to reproduce itself and make babies.


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Posted 15 June 2013 - 06:21 AM

I didn't realise that Cancer was thought as a 'new' disease.


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Posted 15 June 2013 - 03:56 PM

The human body is new ever seventh year.

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 06:21 AM

View Postdanielost, on 15 June 2013 - 03:56 PM, said:

The human body is new ever seventh year.

The 7-year cycle is a myth. It is true that individual cells have a finite life span, and when they die off they are replaced with new cells. But the rate is different depending on the type of cell. For example, fat cells are replaced at the rate of about 10% per year in adults, neurons in the cerebral cortex arenever replaced, and cardiomyocyte heart cells are replaced at a reducing rate as we age. The replacement is so slow that less than half of the cardiomyocyte cells are replaced. Those that aren’t replaced have been there since birth. We are never completely new after birth.

Edited by Odin11, 16 June 2013 - 06:22 AM.

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