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Mind of its own: building a human brain


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#1    Still Waters

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 02:47 PM

A machine capable of thinking for itself and expressing emotion is being developed in Switzerland.

http://www.telegraph...uman-brain.html

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 02:56 PM

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In a lecture in Oxford in 2009 Markram shared with his audience a theory of how the brain works. He suggested that 'the brain builds a version of the universe and projects this version of the universe like a bubble all around us. So I can say with some certainty, “I think therefore I am.” But I cannot say, “You think therefore you are,” because you are within my perceptual bubble. We can speculate and philosophise, but in the next hundred years we won’t have to. We can ask very concrete questions: can the brain build such a perception? Is it capable of doing it?’

The key, he says, is to see each cortical column like a key on a grand piano – the million-key grand piano that is our neo-cortex. 'You stimulate the neo-cortex, it produces a symphony. But it’s not just a symphony of perception. It’s a symphony of your universe. Your reality.’

His dream is nothing less than to play that symphony inside a machine. In his mind’s eye, he can see the machine he wants to build. Now, he says, 'Let’s switch it on. And to switch it on you have to make it come alive.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 07:21 PM

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'What happens if computers reach and exceed human capacities to write computer programs?’ Price and Tallinn asked. 'The moment that machines are able to develop even more intelligent machines would result in an “intelligence explosion”.’ (The man who first realised this, Jack Good, who worked with Alan Turing at Bletchley Park, suggested that the creation of a machine of such sophistication would be 'our last invention’, as ever-smarter robots left humanity far behind.)
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Posted 26 February 2013 - 09:29 PM

It appears the brain-race is on!

Just a couple of days after Obama gave funds to create of a full mapping and understanding of the brain, we have this.

Lets get ready to ruuuuuumbbbbblllleee.


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Posted 27 February 2013 - 01:09 PM

Battlestar Galactica said "It's happened before and it will happen again"  Now as long as they don't call they final product a Cylon as that would be too creepy.  Data maybe.  Robbie and hopefully not "Norman" ( A ST:TOS for the younger crowd)

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 01:44 PM

View Postpaperdyer, on 27 February 2013 - 01:09 PM, said:

( A ST:TOS for the younger crowd)
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(don't mention the M-5 for gods' sake!)
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 01:46 PM

View Postpaperdyer, on 27 February 2013 - 01:09 PM, said:

( A ST:TOS for the younger crowd)
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(don't mention the M-5 for gods' sake!)
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Posted 27 February 2013 - 02:22 PM

Good luck. All the world's supercomputers combined would barely amount to the processing power of a cockroach's brain, never mind any sort of mammal.


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Posted 27 February 2013 - 03:03 PM

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 03:27 PM

View PostStill Waters, on 26 February 2013 - 02:47 PM, said:

A machine capable of thinking for itself and expressing emotion is being developed in Switzerland.

http://www.telegraph...uman-brain.html

How can a computer mirror a brain when we dont know how 95% of the brain works?


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Posted 27 February 2013 - 04:06 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 27 February 2013 - 03:27 PM, said:

How can a computer mirror a brain when we dont know how 95% of the brain works?

That was the bigger part of the conquest in the article's story, it seemed to me; mapping the brain. They said what they want to do; not that they were just about done with their e-brain. It's a dual learning experience. Learn how to make a brain by copying the real one, while learning how a brain works by attempting to mimic it artificially. A long, difficult process, but unbelievably exciting.

But wait.. what if someone already did all of this, and.. we're the robots..?

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 04:09 PM

View PostExpandMyMind, on 27 February 2013 - 02:22 PM, said:

Good luck. All the world's supercomputers combined would barely amount to the processing power of a cockroach's brain, never mind any sort of mammal.

Yeah, they should give up. Technology will never get any better  and/or more efficient.

Start working at the ground floor, while the builders are constructing the upper floors, I say. Simple mechanics can be copied and learned before you get into more complex mechanics, right?

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Posted 27 February 2013 - 04:44 PM

Please send the artificial brain to Washington, D.C.; the natural ones are not working......


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Posted 27 February 2013 - 04:44 PM

View Post_Only, on 27 February 2013 - 04:09 PM, said:

Yeah, they should give up. Technology will never get any better  and/or more efficient.

Start working at the ground floor, while the builders are constructing the upper floors, I say. Simple mechanics can be copied and learned before you get into more complex mechanics, right?

I wasn't suggesting that they should give up. Merely that it is unrealistic to think we will be able to mimic the human brain in this current age of technology, with our comparatively limited computers.


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Posted 27 February 2013 - 04:54 PM

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Found a home for it.......





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