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[odas]

ExpandMyMind, on 15 February 2013 - 05:47 PM, said:

What was incorrect about my post? Considering the vast majority of those killed by the IDF are kids, many of whom have neen shot simply for entering a part of Gaza that Israel has decided they can't, I feel my post was more or less on the money.

God is a lucky dude. He threw a rock on Russia. If this stone had landed on Israel they would have bombed HIM.

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odas, on 16 February 2013 - 08:24 PM, said:

God is a lucky dude. He threw a rock on Russia. If this stone had landed on Israel they would have bombed HIM.

Nah, He doesn't sweat them.  He has an answer for their disobedience - you're just not as patient as He is  

[Coffey]

and then, on 15 February 2013 - 11:44 PM, said:

Never said it was incorrect, just that it was provocative as written.  Insinuation that the soldiers shoot children "in the face" out of boredom - describes people who anyone would consider evil, maybe even sub-human.

Well the Zionists believe everyone else is sub human....

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Coffey, on 12 March 2013 - 03:57 PM, said:

Well the Zionists believe everyone else is sub human....

Coffey I am a Zionist.  I believe that the descendants of Jacob (Israel) were given the land of what is now called Palestine.  I don't think of it as a political stance or as a way of upsetting people on forums.  It's an article of faith with me.  I disagree with several people here at UM about Israel - including you - but I honestly NEVER considered another person as sub-human.  I'm sure you can find people who claim to be Zionists who DO feel that way about non Jews but I think they are the exception.  I believe what God said - He CHOSE the descendants of Jacob to be His people.  But He did not say they were better or more worthy.  He has dealt quite harshly with them for many years.  If there are some among them who are puffed up with pride over being chosen then I think they are foolish.  I think they were chosen to be an example of how God wants to deal with us all.  IOW - obey His laws or reap the consequences.

[Coffey]

and then, on 12 March 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

Coffey I am a Zionist.  I believe that the descendants of Jacob (Israel) were given the land of what is now called Palestine.  I don't think of it as a political stance or as a way of upsetting people on forums.  It's an article of faith with me.  I disagree with several people here at UM about Israel - including you - but I honestly NEVER considered another person as sub-human.  I'm sure you can find people who claim to be Zionists who DO feel that way about non Jews but I think they are the exception.  I believe what God said - He CHOSE the descendants of Jacob to be His people.  But He did not say they were better or more worthy.  He has dealt quite harshly with them for many years.  If there are some among them who are puffed up with pride over being chosen then I think they are foolish.  I think they were chosen to be an example of how God wants to deal with us all.  IOW - obey His laws or reap the consequences.

So you don't follow the Talmud then?

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"Just the Jews are humans, the non Jews are no humans but cattle" - Kerith 6b p78, lebhammoth 61
"sexual intercourse with non-Jews is like sexual intercourse with animals" - Midrasch Talpoioth 225
"The non Jews have to be avoided even more than sick pigs" - Orach Calim 57, 6a
"The Birth rate of Non-Jews has to be suppressed massively" - Zohar 11, 4b
"As you replace lose cows and donkeys, so you shall replace non-Jews" - Lore Dea 337,1

[keithisco]

Coffey, on 12 March 2013 - 05:10 PM, said:

So you don't follow the Talmud then?

Shhhhh! You are not meant to mention any of this...it smacks of genocide if you believe Zohar, and all non-jews as being sub-human - not at all the image that Israeli Judaism wants the rest of the Western World to see.

@ "and then" if this person you call "God" gave you Palestine, then what are you meant to do with it? It is a pretty parched and arid bit of real estate compared to other areas of the world - in fact I am surprised that He didn't give you somewhere like Tuscany, Lichtenstein, or even the rolling hills of southern England. Perhaps he kept the best bits for non - Jews???

Edited by keithisco, 12 March 2013 - 06:05 PM.

[Coffey]

keithisco, on 12 March 2013 - 05:47 PM, said:

Shhhhh! You are not meant to mention any of this...it smacks of genocide if you believe Zohar, and all non-jews as being sub-human - not at all the image that Israeli Judaism wants the rest of the Western World to see.

@ "and then" if this person you call "God" gave you Palestine, then what are you meant to do with it? It is a pretty parched and arid bit of real estate compared to other areas of the world - in fact I am surprised that He didn't give you somewhere like Tuscany, Lichtenstein, or even the rolling hills of southern England. Perhaps he kept the best bits for non - Jews???

Hahahaha, never thought about it like that before, that's hilarious. He msut love  the Scottish and Welsh as well, some beautiful land there. lol

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keithisco, on 12 March 2013 - 05:47 PM, said:

Shhhhh! You are not meant to mention any of this...it smacks of genocide if you believe Zohar, and all non-jews as being sub-human - not at all the image that Israeli Judaism wants the rest of the Western World to see.

@ "and then" if this person you call "God" gave you Palestine, then what are you meant to do with it? It is a pretty parched and arid bit of real estate compared to other areas of the world - in fact I am surprised that He didn't give you somewhere like Tuscany, Lichtenstein, or even the rolling hills of southern England. Perhaps he kept the best bits for non - Jews???

To clarify - I'm not Jewish.  But many Jews say the same thing in jest - "If we are the chosen, why did you stick us with THIS land"?    
I don't claim to understand it all K... I just believe I will someday.  And the Jews have made the desert bloom in a way the Palestinians never did.  The Palis had agriculture of course - but never on the successful scale that Israel has shown.  Very large natural gas deposits have recently been found there and large reserves of oil are suspected as well.  So maybe the land is a better spot than it seems?     Also, the boundaries of Israel have never actually been fulfilled (yet).  It is to stretch from the Nile to the Euphrates and south into Saudi Arabia a bit.  MY God isn't constrained by the schedules of mankind   

Coffey, on 12 March 2013 - 05:10 PM, said:

So you don't follow the Talmud then?

Nope, being a Christian I have no need of it.  Coffey I don't feel a need to defend biased or racist stupidity - whether it's done by American rednecks or Jewish zealots.  If you honestly believe that all or even most, Jews feel these admonitions are correct....then I think you are probably indulging in a little bias and racism yourself.  And YES I understand the difference between Jews and Judaism.  The Jews are no more monolithic in such deplorable sentiments than southern white men are in their opinions of blacks.

[MedicTJ]

Intentionally misreporting and misrepresenting happenings in this region has only one goal:  To further escalate hostilities.

And to those who take part in such idiocy, you're no better than if you were to "shoot a child in the face" yourself.  In fact, you're even lower than that.  It's my opinion that anyone that decides to take part in these kinds of things need to be wiped off the face of the earth themselves.

They are not, nor will they ever be a part of the solution.

If you're looking for the definition of sub-human THOSE kinds of people are it.

[Coffey]

and then, on 12 March 2013 - 10:35 PM, said:

Nope, being a Christian I have no need of it.  Coffey I don't feel a need to defend biased or racist stupidity - whether it's done by American rednecks or Jewish zealots.  If you honestly believe that all or even most, Jews feel these admonitions are correct....then I think you are probably indulging in a little bias and racism yourself.  And YES I understand the difference between Jews and Judaism.  The Jews are no more monolithic in such deplorable sentiments than southern white men are in their opinions of blacks.

I didn't think you would to be honest. But i was just making a point that some extremists do and it's worse than what extremist Muslims beleive. Also the people who run Isreal beleive this do they not? I mean they beleive in a prophecy.

[Wickian]

In other Israel related news, I read a few days ago that the ultra-conservatives finally lost their majority in the government.