chaseh1 Posted May 12, 2009 #1 Share Posted May 12, 2009 which came first? I've came to the conclusion that it was the egg that came first as animals evolve and the chicken must (obviously) be an evolved bird of some type, which would start off as a gradual changing process of the particular bird, with each step starting with an egg... makes more sense then a chicken appearing out of nowhere! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted May 12, 2009 #2 Share Posted May 12, 2009 which came first? I've came to the conclusion that it was the egg that came first as animals evolve and the chicken must (obviously) be an evolved bird of some type, which would start off as a gradual changing process of the particular bird, with each step starting with an egg... makes more sense then a chicken appearing out of nowhere! There are two answers to this question depending on your beliefs 1 the egg=evolutionist 2 the chicken=religious/judeo, christian, muslim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Eagle Posted May 12, 2009 #3 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Evolution Vs Creationism code to be cracked to scramble or unscramble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattshark Posted May 12, 2009 #4 Share Posted May 12, 2009 As this is a science forum, creationism has no place here so it would be egg especially as we know reptiles, amphibians and fish and invertebrates all had eggs before birds existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistydawn Posted May 16, 2009 #5 Share Posted May 16, 2009 As this is a science forum, creationism has no place here so it would be egg especially as we know reptiles, amphibians and fish and invertebrates all had eggs before birds existed. Hey Matt! Dosen't an egg need to be 'layed' by something? A hen/ bird??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd Reign Posted May 16, 2009 #6 Share Posted May 16, 2009 which came first? I've came to the conclusion that it was the egg that came first as animals evolve and the chicken must (obviously) be an evolved bird of some type, which would start off as a gradual changing process of the particular bird, with each step starting with an egg... makes more sense then a chicken appearing out of nowhere! I like this answer, I'm going to say the egg because of evolution. It's the same as a whale evolved from a wolf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd Reign Posted May 16, 2009 #7 Share Posted May 16, 2009 As this is a science forum, creationism has no place here so it would be egg especially as we know reptiles, amphibians and fish and invertebrates all had eggs before birds existed. What about duality among animals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickian Posted May 16, 2009 #8 Share Posted May 16, 2009 which came first? I've came to the conclusion that it was the egg that came first as animals evolve and the chicken must (obviously) be an evolved bird of some type, which would start off as a gradual changing process of the particular bird, with each step starting with an egg... makes more sense then a chicken appearing out of nowhere! The egg came first. The reason being, the animal that gave birth to the first modern day chicken wasn't a chicken at all. It was 99.999...% chicken. So the first chicken hatched from an egg. As to how egg births originated, who knows. It might have had something to do with a hardened placenta that newborns of some species were born in for some reason, possibly warmth or protection. This might have gradually changed into a full shell over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattshark Posted May 16, 2009 #9 Share Posted May 16, 2009 Hey Matt! Dosen't an egg need to be 'layed' by something? A hen/ bird??? It needs be laid by something, it doesn't have to be the same species though I like this answer, I'm going to say the egg because of evolution. It's the same as a whale evolved from a wolf. Erm whales didn't evolve from wolves, they evolved from hoofed predators and hence are closely related to sheep. What about duality among animals? Not sure animals are into maths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MirrorImage Posted May 16, 2009 #10 Share Posted May 16, 2009 (edited) Well if you go off the dirty minded theory,the rooster came first, how do ya think the eggs turn in to baby chickens? And NO the rooster didnt call the chicken the next morning. Edited May 16, 2009 by MirrorImage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Eagle Posted May 16, 2009 #11 Share Posted May 16, 2009 which came first? KFC® Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InHuman Posted May 16, 2009 #12 Share Posted May 16, 2009 Egg. Fact. Eat it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd Reign Posted May 16, 2009 #13 Share Posted May 16, 2009 (edited) It needs be laid by something, it doesn't have to be the same species though Erm whales didn't evolve from wolves, they evolved from hoofed predators and hence are closely related to sheep. Not sure animals are into maths. When the morphology of these early whales was examined,they discovered that whales are descendants of land living mammals called Pakicetus. I saw it on the discovery channel. The duality or dualism of the mammal was the ability to live on and as well as in the water,like an otter.They surmised what caused this wolf like creature to evolve into the whale was the lack of food on land, so it took to the water to find food. In the process started adapting it's limbs and body to accommodate it's new hunting environment. The ear structure is what links this land animal to whales. The structure contains an adaptation to underwater hearing that is possessed only by whales. http://www.indopedia.org/Pakicetids.html Edited May 16, 2009 by 2nd Reign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielost Posted May 16, 2009 #14 Share Posted May 16, 2009 It needs be laid by something, it doesn't have to be the same species though Erm whales didn't evolve from wolves, they evolved from hoofed predators and hence are closely related to sheep. Not sure animals are into maths. I disagree with this statement. If a chicken evolved from something the chicken was still the same species as the animal that laid the egg. A reptile did not one day just become a bird. If that is what happened in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistydawn Posted May 16, 2009 #15 Share Posted May 16, 2009 It needs be laid by something, it doesn't have to be the same species though Erm whales didn't evolve from wolves, they evolved from hoofed predators and hence are closely related to sheep. Not sure animals are into maths. Matt, HELP! I never fully got my head around Evolution.. but say another species did lay the first egg, how was the parent produced? Not by an egg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MirrorImage Posted May 16, 2009 #16 Share Posted May 16, 2009 Matt, HELP! I never fully got my head around Evolution.. but say another species did lay the first egg, how was the parent produced? Not by an egg? That is where evolving comes in. Start with the 1 celled thing, it becomes a 2 cell and so on till you get the critter that laid the egg. It for whatever reason begins laying eggs rather than giving live birth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattshark Posted May 16, 2009 #17 Share Posted May 16, 2009 I disagree with this statement. If a chicken evolved from something the chicken was still the same species as the animal that laid the egg. A reptile did not one day just become a bird. If that is what happened in the first place. Well no, at some point it'd have to have one species giving birth to another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattshark Posted May 16, 2009 #18 Share Posted May 16, 2009 When the morphology of these early whales was examined,they discovered that whales are descendants of land living mammals called Pakicetus. I saw it on the discovery channel. The duality or dualism of the mammal was the ability to live on and as well as in the water,like an otter.They surmised what caused this wolf like creature to evolve into the whale was the lack of food on land, so it took to the water to find food. In the process started adapting it's limbs and body to accommodate it's new hunting environment. The ear structure is what links this land animal to whales. The structure contains an adaptation to underwater hearing that is possessed only by whales. http://www.indopedia.org/Pakicetids.html You'd have been better using amphibious lifestyle. Duality is very rarely used in that context to do it commonality in maths. Yes cetaceans evolved from land animals, I know, but not wolves, more close relatives to sheep and goats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokie Posted May 16, 2009 #19 Share Posted May 16, 2009 I just read about this the other day. I dont recall where but it was said that chickens came from asia and was the re**** of breedint to diffrent junglr foul togeather by man. I want to say it was a green jungle foul and a red one but I dont recall for sure. So if thats the case the egg whould come first in the chicken line as they where breed out of two other birds to get what they wanted. I never got a chance to reseacher the info but seems likely to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattshark Posted May 16, 2009 #20 Share Posted May 16, 2009 I just read about this the other day. I dont recall where but it was said that chickens came from asia and was the re**** of breedint to diffrent junglr foul togeather by man. I want to say it was a green jungle foul and a red one but I dont recall for sure. So if thats the case the egg whould come first in the chicken line as they where breed out of two other birds to get what they wanted. I never got a chance to reseacher the info but seems likely to me. They are bred from red and grey jungle fowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd Reign Posted May 16, 2009 #21 Share Posted May 16, 2009 You'd have been better using amphibious lifestyle. Duality is very rarely used in that context to do it commonality in maths. Yes cetaceans evolved from land animals, I know, but not wolves, more close relatives to sheep and goats. Watch this video,it also can be found on this site video gallery;it's called "Darwins Evolution" and it's about whales evolving from wolves. http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/viewv...&tid=153996 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MirrorImage Posted May 16, 2009 #22 Share Posted May 16, 2009 Watch this video,it also can be found on this site video gallery;it's called "Darwins Evolution" and it's about whales evolving from wolves. http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/viewv...&tid=153996 May I point out that just because some one made a video, it doesnt in anyway mean that they are correct? Gosh I seem to say that alot to my son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd Reign Posted May 16, 2009 #23 Share Posted May 16, 2009 You'd have been better using amphibious lifestyle. Duality is very rarely used in that context to do it commonality in maths. Yes cetaceans evolved from land animals, I know, but not wolves, more close relatives to sheep and goats. Rarely does not equate to never. Duality and dualism are related. I'm sure you've heard the term "body and soul". Theology says that a human embodies these two parts. I even gave an example,there are many creatures that live on land and in water. But do watch the video and be enlighten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd Reign Posted May 16, 2009 #24 Share Posted May 16, 2009 May I point out that just because some one made a video, it doesnt in anyway mean that they are correct? Gosh I seem to say that alot to my son. Did you watch it and weight the evidence? If not how can you discount it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom286 Posted May 16, 2009 #25 Share Posted May 16, 2009 which came first? I've came to the conclusion that it was the egg that came first as animals evolve and the chicken must (obviously) be an evolved bird of some type, which would start off as a gradual changing process of the particular bird, with each step starting with an egg... makes more sense then a chicken appearing out of nowhere! This question brings out the flaws in our notion of cause and effect. My answer is that they come into being togther. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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