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#16    Abramelin

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 06:22 AM

Can't be Crete/Santorini:

The time is wrong, the dimensions are wrong, the direction is wrong (where are those Pillars of Hercules between Athens and Crete?), and a lot more that doesn't agree with Plato's story.


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Posted 30 November 2012 - 07:28 AM

What Abe told. Plus crucial fact. Thera eruption didnt wiped out Minoan civilizations. Only Akrotiri site. Elsewhere Minoans continued to live on.
Minoans probably fell due fall of Hittites. (although no one know for sure because as it usualy as it be there are more complex factors in decline period)

Edited by the L, 30 November 2012 - 07:29 AM.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 07:33 AM

If Atlantis was invention (which I dont believe) then Plato was probably inspired by Helike catastrophe. When tsunami hit the city Plato has 50 years.

Edited by the L, 30 November 2012 - 07:39 AM.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 08:26 AM

Proclus (5century) in his writting criticism on Timaeus wrote that others too saw Egyptian from which story of Atlantis was passed to Greeks. :rolleyes: Thats huge. We have witness account.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 12:52 PM

View Postthe L, on 30 November 2012 - 07:28 AM, said:

What Abe told. Plus crucial fact. Thera eruption didnt wiped out Minoan civilizations. Only Akrotiri site. Elsewhere Minoans continued to live on.
Minoans probably fell due fall of Hittites. (although no one know for sure because as it usualy as it be there are more complex factors in decline period)

L . like the story says- Zeus, the god of gods, who rules according to law, and is able to see into such things, perceiving that an honourable race was in a woeful plight, and wanting to inflict punishment on them, that they might be chastened and improve.

The civilization didn`t end but was to be chastened and improve



Such was the vast power which the god settled in the lost island of Atlantis; and this he afterwards directed against our land for the following reasons, as tradition tells: For many generations, as long as the divine nature lasted in them, they were obedient to the laws, and well-affectioned towards the god, whose seed they were; for they possessed true and in every way great spirits, uniting gentleness with wisdom in the various chances of life, and in their intercourse with one another. They despised everything but virtue, caring little for their present state of life, and thinking lightly of the possession of gold and other property, which seemed only a burden to them; neither were they intoxicated by luxury; nor did wealth deprive them of their self-control; but they were sober, and saw clearly that all these goods are increased by virtue and friendship with one another, whereas by too great regard and respect for them, they are lost and friendship with them. By such reflections and by the continuance in them of a divine nature, the qualities which we have described grew and increased among them; but when the divine portion began to fade away, and became diluted too often and too much with the mortal admixture, and the human nature got the upper hand, they then, being unable to bear their fortune, behaved unseemly, and to him who had an eye to see grew visibly debased, for they were losing the fairest of their precious gifts; but to those who had no eye to see the true happiness, they appeared glorious and blessed at the very time when they were full of avarice and unrighteous power. Zeus, the god of gods, who rules according to law, and is able to see into such things, perceiving that an honourable race was in a woeful plight, and wanting to inflict punishment on them, that they might be chastened and improve, collected all the gods into their most holy habitation, which, being placed in the centre of the world, beholds all created things. And when he had called them together, he spake as follows: *

* The rest of the Dialogue of Critias has been lost.


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Posted 30 November 2012 - 03:54 PM

View PostDuncansmom, on 30 November 2012 - 02:11 AM, said:

One of the things that I find interesting is that the Greek god Posideon, the "mythical" king/god of the sea and of Atlantis is always depicted with race horses.  Plato mentions the Atlanteans love of racing and their race tracks in his narrative.  Why would the god of the sea, Posideon, be shown with horses and not... say dolphins maybe ?
He did it for love:

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 03:58 PM

View Postdocyabut2, on 30 November 2012 - 12:52 PM, said:


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Zeus, the god of gods, who rules according to law, and is able to see into such things, perceiving that an honourable race was in a woeful plight, and wanting to inflict punishment on them, that they might be chastened and improve, collected all the gods into their most holy habitation, which, being placed in the centre of the world, beholds all created things. And when he had called them together, he spake as follows: *

* The rest of the Dialogue of Critias has been lost.
Or, as some think, was never finished.

The theory there is that Plato realized he was almost plagiarizing the Iliad from that point forward.

IOW, the story he was fabricating had already been told.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 04:48 PM

"Where Was Atlantis?"
The Pegasus galaxy?........


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Posted 30 November 2012 - 05:55 PM

View PostAtentutankh-pasheri, on 30 November 2012 - 04:48 PM, said:

"Where Was Atlantis?"
The Pegasus galaxy?........

San Francisco Bay. :w00t:

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 07:39 PM

If we go to the description of the metals as silver, gold and orichalcum.  Who has any ideas on orichalcum?  I have read some think it was copper.  (If so, hope they had also invented Tarnex.)  There is, however, one of the favored locations that had access to all three of those metals.  I just don't remember which one.  Does anyone ?


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Posted 30 November 2012 - 09:06 PM

It's a type of bronze that is a deep gold color.

Plato wrote that the orichalcum in Atlantis wasn't the same as orichalcum in his day.  But since Plato has no source, it's valid to say that he made that up.

Orichalcum is a type of bronze.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 12:25 AM

View PostHarte, on 30 November 2012 - 03:54 PM, said:

He did it for love:
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 12:52 AM

New Jersey Pine Barrens. On the grounds that it's been 'located' everywhere else and not found there. :P


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Posted 01 December 2012 - 01:02 AM

Well since my past life reading said that I was a key figure on the Atlantis side in the war between Atlantis & Egypt, them I must be the only person q qualified to answer the question on where Atlantis was. Are you ready for this? ..................out was in Alabama.


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Posted 01 December 2012 - 07:14 AM

View Postdocyabut2, on 30 November 2012 - 12:06 AM, said:

Atlantis could have been Thera,one of the expolsion around 1500bc does coincide with the king Checrops,1582,that was said to be in this war.
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/cparada/GML/MythicalChronology.html


At Tell el Dab'a in Egypt, pumice found at this location has been dated to 1540 BCE, closer to the traditionally accepted date of Thera's eruption.

This was a Egyptian tale of a war the greeks forgot because of a great flood. I was veiwing a show about how the greeks( athens) had to send two young people to Crete every year by order of king Mino for sacifice to the minon bull ,so this powerful empire of the islands must have had some control over the greeks.This war was about 1000 years before Solon that the Egyptains remembered, but not the greeks.And there was that find on a island in the Agean ( the name I forgot) where they found this houre of weapons found buried.



This is a fascinating topic of discussion that can lead to many directions one of which might be the truth.  There is really not enough evidence that survives today relating to the existence of Atlantis. Most of the evidence that we rely on today is often extrapolated and inferred through the powers of human imagination often without empirical data to support it. And when tapping into the powers of human imagination, there's no knowing where you'll end up. You could either end up closer or farther from the truth. But if you're lucky, a serendipitious syncronistic coincidence may manifest the truth.

In the Western Pacific Ocean, there lies an ancient ruin known to the world as Nan Madol. Not much is known about this site except for the local history told by the natives which was passed down orally through the centuries.  Carbon dating of the site suggests that Nan Madol could be older than Mohenjo Daro and the Great Pyramids of Giza.  Could the secrets of Nan Madol help unlock the mysteries of our past?  One of which may point to Atlantis.

Edited by PHFATY, 01 December 2012 - 07:19 AM.

WHO BUILT THE ANCIENT MEGALITHIC NAN MADOL RUINS IN THE WESTERN PACIFIC?

http://pohnpeinanmadol.blogspot.com

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