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#46    monk 56

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 12:47 PM

Hi Chrizs,

Not much between us, i know USA landed on the Moon, but i'm very interested in philosophy and human interest in SIRIUS and ALNILAM, centre star of Belt of Orion, please note very difficult subject for an astronomer, my thread has very little dispute, very funny for unexplained forums, obviously we like dispute, i am currently on 22nd page without much dispute on history and astronomy, don't worry i'm good at least for another 150 pages!

I would like to join with you!

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Research is better when joined, you can contact by private message or thread, please read all pages to my link, i'm an accurate astronomer.....It's up to you, i may help!

Edited by monk 56, 25 February 2013 - 12:55 PM.


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Posted 25 February 2013 - 01:10 PM

As you have mentioned Sirius, you may think this is a trap, well thats up to you, i'm only interested in honesty in philosophy and astronomy being accurate, until anyone attacks my thread, and lets make it clear about Moon Landings, i say it happened, we all have a problem about religion and Sirius and Alnilam, Belt of Orion LOL.

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 09:53 AM

Hi, Monk.  Sorry, I've been off living life for a few days!  I'll be addressing the Sirius thing shortly as part of my rebuttal of this article but I'm afraid I'd like to stick to only what was posted by Stoecker - I'm afraid I get very drowsy when discussing anything that looks like philosophy or (bleuch) numerology..

Too many strange ideas, too little time. B)  I like to focus on people who try to imply misdeeds, supply misinformation, or go out of their way to denigrate what was humankind's greatest technical/exploratory achievement to date.  Hence my complete rebuttal of this article..

Part 3 will be posted in a day or two - I'm a little busy.  I note Mr Stoecker also seems to be too busy to address anything I've posted to date...
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 08:34 AM

View PostThe Silver Thong, on 23 February 2013 - 08:27 AM, said:

Could the russians make a differience between a manned or a un manned mission to the moon.

If the US had not made it, we know the Russia had the technology to know this. No way on earth they would cover for the US during the cold war in a space race.

I just personally find any such entertaining of these CT's at all abhorrent. Particularly so seeming as we just lost MID. Really bad timed thread. Mr Stoecker might have suggested the claims of faked photos is challengeable, it does not even deserve that. Just a big red BS sticker on these moon hoaxes and a swift boot in the behind. What those men did is nothing short of mazing. Gemini 6 & 7  scrambles, Shepards legendary entrance to space, the devastation of the loss of Astronauts in Apollo 1, Aldrin's EVA that made Apollo 11's mision go ahead. it's an entire chapter of history that some would rob us of. They do not even have the right to voice an opinion that stupid I feel.
We should be heralding these achievements, not giving light of day to those twisted people who would attempt to quash them.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 02:58 AM

While it's always good to check, and double check, extraordinary feats we have accomplished in whatever scientific fields, this hoax has been debunked so many times, in so many forums, it seems the only voices left screaming of a conspiracy must do so with no evidence.  Our brains are better served searching out real obfuscations of truth, for there are many....

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 03:12 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 01 March 2013 - 08:34 AM, said:



If the US had not made it, we know the Russia had the technology to know this. No way on earth they would cover for the US during the cold war in a space race.

I just personally find any such entertaining of these CT's at all abhorrent. Particularly so seeming as we just lost MID. Really bad timed thread. Mr Stoecker might have suggested the claims of faked photos is challengeable, it does not even deserve that. Just a big red BS sticker on these moon hoaxes and a swift boot in the behind. What those men did is nothing short of mazing. Gemini 6 & 7  scrambles, Shepards legendary entrance to space, the devastation of the loss of Astronauts in Apollo 1, Aldrin's EVA that made Apollo 11's mision go ahead. it's an entire chapter of history that some would rob us of. They do not even have the right to voice an opinion that stupid I feel.
We should be heralding these achievements, not giving light of day to those twisted people who would attempt to quash them.

Don`t get me wrong I think we landed on the moon but could the Russians at the time tell if it was manned or not.  Not trying to rob any history as we know that Lee Harvey killed JFK, not.
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Posted 12 March 2013 - 12:51 PM

View PostThe Silver Thong, on 12 March 2013 - 03:12 AM, said:

Don`t get me wrong I think we landed on the moon but could the Russians at the time tell if it was manned or not.  Not trying to rob any history as we know that Lee Harvey killed JFK, not.

Forgive me for not digging deeply, but if the Russkis were intercepting the radio transmissions - and I'm sure they were but don't have time to link-chase right now..), then it is pretty much impossible to come up with any way they could have been faked, for the following reasons:
- directionality - the type of receiver required to pick up the signals *must * be pointed at the craft - nothing in orbit or on earth could emulate the spacecrafts position as it went on the trajectory to the Moon.
- delays - the delay caused by the distances involved meant that the Houston outgoing transmits and the Apollo replies were all precisely delayed in a very intricate way - when combined with item 1, this would make the logistics of setting this up in advance horrendously difficult
- content - not only was there chatter about current events, there were also conversations about what was happening at the precise locations of the spacecraft, and that all ties in precisely with other imagery, journal logs and movies, even maneuvers that were visible from earth, like the TLI (look it up!)

Just to fake that small aspect of the missions would be pretty much impossible even now, and that is just a tiny aspect of the missions.  The entire body of documentation of these missions (all of them) is documented down to almost ridiculous detail, and absolutely everything is consistent.  Further, there are techniques that were not available in those days (and could not have been guessed at) that have been applied to various aspects of the records, and again, they check out perfectly.  I won't go into it in detail, but good examples are the examination of the Earth's weather patterns of that period compared to (hand-held) video and still footage, and also the finding of Venus in various images are a couple of examples.  When added to the huge amount of material brought back by these missions, a lot of which has been analysed by geologists all over the world and verified as having impossible to fake characteristics that could could only have come from the Moon, and independent verification by missions like the Indian Chandrayaan and the Japanese Kaguya, and of course the amazing images now coming back by the boatload from the LRO..

Yes, those LRO images could possibly be faked by NASA... but by crikey they would have to be ludicrously careful - thousands of folks around the world are performing all sorts of checks against the thousands of Apollo still images, and the hundreds of hours of movie footage, to match it all up, right down to the position of every rock and shadow...  And it all matches perfectly.  Then, it won't be long before other countries are up there and taking a high-resolution peek as well, if not landing people there.  I'm sure some will immediately want to go near (but hopefully not ON) the Apollo sites - what a feeling would that be, to actually see where man first set foot on another world, and the remnants of the marvellous equipment that got them there..

So...

It's game over, man! There was no hoax.  Apollo happened exactly as advertised.  Anyone left believing in this silliness is either hopelessly ill-informed, trolling, delusional, or has invested so much of their energies into this that simply have to keep at it..

Anyway, Stoecker appears to have simply decided to abandon this and move on - it seems all he is capable of is making up stuff - as soon as he is disputed, he vanishes..

But if anyone else would like me to continue with the rebuttal, please say so..  I guess I should, as I said I would cover that Sirius-heliacal-rising-numerology garbage..
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