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Are Extraterrestrials Really Demons?


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#226    psyche101

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 06:19 AM

View PostDetective Mystery 2013, on 22 March 2013 - 03:40 AM, said:

IOW, you can't give a more definitive answer to the question than I can. I indeed can't prove that demons and extraterrestrials exist. You can't demonstrate that all claimed encounters with said entities are false. Out of all of the scores of claimed encounters out there, odds are that *some* of them are more than just prosaic incidents.


Why do you feel odds indicate a small percentage of claims are genuine as opposed to none of them?

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 08:04 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 28 March 2013 - 06:19 AM, said:

Why do you feel odds indicate a small percentage of claims are genuine as opposed to none of them?

The sources are believable. They can't all be wrong. In fact, it would be less likely that *all* of them were wrong than *some* of them were right. It's a bit too convenient and handy to discount all accounts.

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 04:19 PM

Eh. maybe we should think about whether said abduction accounts seem anything like, say demonic possessions. If they basically have the same M.O. that might be a better way to understand whether or not aliens share any link with demons.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 02:19 AM

View PostR4z3rsPar4d0x, on 29 March 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

Eh. maybe we should think about whether said abduction accounts seem anything like, say demonic possessions. If they basically have the same M.O. that might be a better way to understand whether or not aliens share any link with demons.

Let's take it in another direction. What role does hypnotic suggestion play in recovered memories of things like abductions and SRA? Some therapists probably plant false narratives. These falsehoods become "truths" in a certain segment of alternative psychology.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 03:46 PM

View PostDetective Mystery 2013, on 30 March 2013 - 02:19 AM, said:

Let's take it in another direction. What role does hypnotic suggestion play in recovered memories of things like abductions and SRA? Some therapists probably plant false narratives. These falsehoods become "truths" in a certain segment of alternative psychology.
But how would that relate to demons, even if the hypnotist is implanting false memories I dont see any way that those memomies that hes implanted could be seen as demonic possession.

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 03:01 AM

View PostR4z3rsPar4d0x, on 30 March 2013 - 03:46 PM, said:

But how would that relate to demons, even if the hypnotist is implanting false memories I dont see any way that those memomies that hes implanted could be seen as demonic possession.

It didn't really relate to demons. I took demonic possession out of the equation for the most part when I steered the discussion in another direction. Were memories of claimed abductions and SRA confabulated or implanted by hypnotic suggestions? I hijacked my own thread. :yes:

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 04:04 PM

View PostDetective Mystery 2013, on 31 March 2013 - 03:01 AM, said:

It didn't really relate to demons. I took demonic possession out of the equation for the most part when I steered the discussion in another direction. Were memories of claimed abductions and SRA confabulated or implanted by hypnotic suggestions? I hijacked my own thread. :yes:
But why would a hypnotist implant false memories? Just to keep the person coming back to them, If so then wow.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 02:38 AM

View PostR4z3rsPar4d0x, on 31 March 2013 - 04:04 PM, said:

But why would a hypnotist implant false memories? Just to keep the person coming back to them, If so then wow.

It could be accidental *or* intentional. Some of them might not realize that they're doing it, as they share the beliefs of their patients. Some of them are just pop shrinks pushing trendy psychiatric snake oil. It's all part of the decreasing recovered memory industry.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 09:03 PM

Sad world we live in when you cant even trust the person your supposed to be able to trust.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 02:53 AM

View PostR4z3rsPar4d0x, on 01 April 2013 - 09:03 PM, said:

Sad world we live in when you cant even trust the person your supposed to be able to trust.

Not all hypnotherapists are like that. Most of them are good people with a strong sense of ethics and professionalism. There's just a fringe that do more harm than good. Some of them ruin the lives of their patients, and some of them ruin the lives of other people who aren't even "treated" by them.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 08:26 PM

View PostDetective Mystery 2013, on 02 April 2013 - 02:53 AM, said:

Not all hypnotherapists are like that. Most of them are good people with a strong sense of ethics and professionalism. There's just a fringe that do more harm than good. Some of them ruin the lives of their patients, and some of them ruin the lives of other people who aren't even "treated" by them.
I guess the power goes to there heads

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 01:16 AM

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I guess the power goes to there heads

That happens. Some of them have agendas too.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 04:17 AM

I haven't read all 16 pages of the thread, so I don't know if anyone has cited these scriptures.

But here is where the scriptural Satan/demon and UFO theory stems from:

Matthew 24:24 "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-10 that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish,

Revelations 13:11-15 11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb and he spoke as a dragon. 12 He exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence. And he makes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose fatal wound was healed. 13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down out of heaven to the earth in the presence of men. 14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth because of the signs which it was given him to perform in the presence of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who *had the wound of the sword and has come to life. 15 And it was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast would even speak and cause as many as do not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

Basically, the idea is that UFOs are just another ploy by Satan to deceive the world and remove its attention off of God.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 04:51 AM

C'mon guys. you couldn't prove it unless they land in Washington and start doing demon stuff. Whatever that is. I did find a book called the Testament of Solomon in which Solomon commands and guides demons to build his temple. Oh, this isn't a recent book. It's a bunch of centuries old. Anyway, I think I would like to know what's on that piece of paper the general is holding in his left hand in the picture on the home page of this site. I saw (I think) a show where this letter was magnified and the letter revealed some startling information. This information is the only "evidence" that convinces me that a real investigation needs to be done. By whom, I have no idea. Who can get access to anything they want that would tell the public of their findings? We will have to break into these places someday. I fear it's the only way to know for sure, if that's actually possible.   Stay paranoid!


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 08:12 AM

If the Bible wanted to warn us that aliens were demons, it could have been far more specific.





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