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#1    ali smack

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 11:42 AM

I have read somewhere many years ago about giant crows that where meant to be about 2 feet or something like that.
What do people think about them?


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Posted 17 February 2013 - 12:02 PM

I posted about them.

I found them on a website about cryptids, and it was the only website that mentioned them. Well, it actually talked about giant ravens, somwehere in British Columbia.

These ravens lived hidden away in some valley, and were near flightless and large as eagles. They are also said to have some red in their tail feathers.

Let me see if I can find that thread.


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Here it is:

http://www.unexplain...howtopic=225232


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Edited by Abramelin, 17 February 2013 - 12:05 PM.


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Posted 17 February 2013 - 12:31 PM

The ones they're talking about are cryptids, they're just large and have grown so large they stay on the ground mostly because it's too hard for them to fly unless they have to to escape or evade predators. Although, I have seen some that seemed really big.


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Posted 17 February 2013 - 02:44 PM

View Postkeninsc, on 17 February 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

The ones they're talking about are cryptids, they're just large and have grown so large they stay on the ground mostly because it's too hard for them to fly unless they have to to escape or evade predators. Although, I have seen some that seemed really big.

Yes, the further north you go, the larger ravens become. It has to do with an adaptation to the cold, or so they say. The quotient of body volume and body surface area goes up.

But Keninsc, have you read about the source of this 'myth'?  The site I started my thread with (see link in my former post) is all I could find.


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Posted 17 February 2013 - 06:39 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 17 February 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:

Yes, the further north you go, the larger ravens become. It has to do with an adaptation to the cold, or so they say. The quotient of body volume and body surface area goes up.

But Keninsc, have you read about the source of this 'myth'?  The site I started my thread with (see link in my former post) is all I could find.

My husband said the ravens that were everywhere and landed on his car a couple hundred miles north of Edmonton, AB, were easily two-feet tall.

Keep your eyes wide open and don't run!

P.S. Just to be clear, because sometimes I am not. I do not believe...
in the existence of a large previously unknown undiscovered hairy biped roaming North America.
But I like to hear the accounts, read the books, watch the shows, discuss and argue about the phenomenon.

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 06:54 PM

There are crows that big in Japan ,right now.

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 07:16 PM

My mom had giant crows in Virginia. Her job was refilling their watering-hole and if she slacked, they let her know, and could have easily carried her off.
Anyway, two states later, and I haven't seen ones so large since.

Keep your eyes wide open and don't run!

P.S. Just to be clear, because sometimes I am not. I do not believe...
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 12:17 AM

View PostSimbi Laveau, on 17 February 2013 - 06:54 PM, said:

There are crows that big in Japan ,right now.

You mean jungle crows. That are big alright, but not as big or as or bigger than golden eagles:

British Columbian giant raven (Interior of B.C. NA): A piece of local folklore, the bush mechanics who worked in the interior of B.C. claim that here is a valley, rich in timber, which is populated by enormous ravens bigger than golden eagles. They say these ravens are dangerous animals, very opportunistic, and will not hesitate to tear someones camp apart. they are nearly flightless, and have much red in their tail plumage. These are obviously a specialized species of raven which developed in the isolation of this valley. However, if any introduced predators like dogs or cats make it there these ravens might become threatened.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 12:21 AM

View PostAbramelin, on 18 February 2013 - 12:17 AM, said:



You mean jungle crows. That are big alright, but not as big or as or bigger than golden eagles:

British Columbian giant raven (Interior of B.C. NA): A piece of local folklore, the bush mechanics who worked in the interior of B.C. claim that here is a valley, rich in timber, which is populated by enormous ravens bigger than golden eagles. They say these ravens are dangerous animals, very opportunistic, and will not hesitate to tear someones camp apart. they are nearly flightless, and have much red in their tail plumage. These are obviously a specialized species of raven which developed in the isolation of this valley. However, if any introduced predators like dogs or cats make it there these ravens might become threatened.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 01:07 AM

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My husband said the ravens that were everywhere and landed on his car a couple hundred miles north of Edmonton, AB, were easily two-feet tall.

Heck, i've seen some around vancouver that are nearly two feet tall. Would make an awesome pet :whistle: :innocent:


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:31 PM

What kind of crows are you guys seeing that are smaller than two feet?

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:34 PM

normal i think


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Posted 18 February 2013 - 10:31 PM

View PostXetan, on 18 February 2013 - 09:31 PM, said:

What kind of crows are you guys seeing that are smaller than two feet?

They vary. The crows my mom "watered" made you stop and look twice. They were far larger than the average ones around us in WV.
And I've yet to see a large crow in southern Texas. Lots of bigger grackles, than I'm used to though.
The ravens my husband saw were the largest birds he's seen, as in larger in bulk, heavier.

Edited by QuiteContrary, 18 February 2013 - 10:32 PM.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:03 PM

oh right. Cool. I think they exist but are just mutants really.


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Posted 19 February 2013 - 03:57 PM

I don't know people, but I am getting the feeling some here confuse normal ravens for large crows.

About the "two feet" size

The smallest corvid is the Dwarf Jay (Aphelocoma nana), at 41 g (1.4 oz) and 21.5 cm (8.5 inches). The largest corvids are the Common Raven (Corvus corax) and the Thick-billed Raven (Corvus crassirostris), both of which regularly exceed 1400 grams (3 lbs) and 65 cm (26 inches).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvidae

The Golden Eagle is a large, dark brown raptor with broad wings. Its size is variable: it ranges from 66 to 102 cm (26 to 40 in) in length and it has a typical wingspan of 1.8 to 2.34 m (5.9 to 7.7 ft). In the largest race (A. c. daphanea) males and females weigh 4.05 kg (8.9 lb) and 6.35 kg (14.0 lb).

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Golden_Eagle

So a regular sized common raven is as large as the smallest of Golden Eagles (Japanese Golden Eagles).

But this is what I quoted: "enormous ravens bigger than golden eagles", and obvioulsy the Golden Eagle they compared it with is the North American one.

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Edited by Abramelin, 19 February 2013 - 04:01 PM.





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