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#46    psyche101

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 09:07 AM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 19 October 2012 - 01:56 PM, said:

What did he really say that he found?  Basically some pictures of UFOs that NASA was covering.  Well, that's not surprising since I know that has happened quite a lot anyway.  

Not even that.

He partly viewed a picture that did not complete.

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View PostTheMacGuffin, on 19 October 2012 - 01:56 PM, said:

He also said that he had evidence of a secret space program, but  UFO people already knew that existed as well.  There was even a Secret Space Program Conference in Amsterdam not too long ago, and people like Ben Rich and others were saying for years that such things existed and that its technology was decades ahead of anything that was publicly available.

And he claims to have viewed a spreadsheet that he claims was called non-terrestrial officers. Which who know, he might have, and it might have been a game some people were playing, or it might have been a list of nicknamed, code-names, or wives names. Thing is not even McKinnon knows. He glanced at some things in a stoned haze through a rubbish connection and made some paranoid assumptions.

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 19 October 2012 - 01:56 PM, said:

So basically all he did was to confirm some things that were already very well known, at least to those who have studied UFOs in an honest and serious way.  

Exactly. Some operation huh?
Which he would have learned from the UFO forums he frequented since his younger teen years. At least 15 and up. And what do the younger posters typically represent? Arrogance, and claims they could not possible know about or fulfil. I feel the same way about some high school kid telling me how much he knows about cases like Roswell as much as you like high school kids telling you there is nothing to the phenomena.

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 19 October 2012 - 01:56 PM, said:

He also said that he had very slow equipment wit limited capabilities and that he was not really able to download and save anything.  Somehow he just got lucky.  No, he is no Julian Assange and evidently did not claim to have any "insider" sources of information telling him where to look and what to look for.  Many people in the UFO field have had  "help" like that over the years and gotten some valuable information that the public never knew existed.

That does not mean his ISP's would not have a record.

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 19 October 2012 - 01:56 PM, said:

As far as I know, Assange wasn't even looking for UFO information, though.


No, he is looking for anything and everything, not one specific area. If he found UFO papers, we too would have read them by now.

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 09:17 AM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 19 October 2012 - 02:02 PM, said:

I don'y doubt that they trumped up some charges against Assange and launched a smear campaign against him.  I have seen it all done before and this was a classic counterintelligence campaign.  They had a little task force set up just to go after him and shut him down any way they could.

Similar counterintelligence methods have been used against UFO researchers over the decades, as I have mentioned many times.  It's interesting that the charges they had against Gary McKinnon were even tougher than those against Assange, although in both cases they were successful in putting them out of business through threats, intimidation, years if criminal charges and so on.  Naturally part of the goal is to discourage others as well.

If McKinnon had found nothing, though, they wouldn't have made such a big production out of this.  Not at all.  No, he stumbled onto to something that got people very upset.

No one is pulling the wool over my eyes about that.



Timing had a lot to do with it. And the fact that they had to make a big hullabaloo to cover their own blunders. That Admin account should not have been left open. The computer admins should have been tarred and feathered, but obviously used geek speak to squirm out of trouble with superiors. What he did was show the defence systems to be useless, and I bet there were some multi million dollar decisions to move over to the XP operating system. Like I say that Bill Gates did not get a mention here is astounding, and I have little doubt a lot to do with the hullabaloo. Businesses have been protesting about the insecurity of Windows software, an indeed even here in Australia have had contingents at the airports waiting to meet him to ask him why they paid so much for such an insecure system, top that of with the fact that no proper admin was involved to set the system up (not included in the price maybe?), and some high profile backsides that I expected to cop a roasting never got a mention. I think there is some dirty play at work, but not related to UFO's. Business deals. And worth a pretty penny I bet. That is how they managed to justify a massive bill against McKinnon for repairs in the courts system. I strongly suspect that much of the alleged "damage" was supposed to be initial set up that was never completed.
Assange has upset a whole different group of people altogether.

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 09:20 AM

View PostMagiclass, on 19 October 2012 - 02:37 PM, said:

The US are currently saying that he did thousands of dollars worth of damage which is totally bogus, 'cause in fact it only comes to about two hundred, and this is what they are trying to extradite him for (another totally bogus statement). What they are really trying to get him for is he made them look stupid and they can't be certain what files he actually copied(so they want torture him to spill) and that would take at least 60 years in guantanamo!
I am so glad that someone in the our parlaiment has some sense to realise the extradition laws are awfully one sided against us Brits! :yes:


Rubbish.

You would not even get an IT admin worth his salt to make a site visit for that.

The damage was intense, I have no doubt about that, but I just do not think the systems was put together properly to begin with, creating something of a house of cards.


I suspect many people learned lessons from this.

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 09:25 AM

View PostRlyeh, on 19 October 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

I'm not understanding how he saw the files without them being downloaded to his computer. Does he possess some form of telepathy?

Like Boon said, it is indeed remote, you are just seeing a picture of what is happening on the server, unless the admins have installed paperclip (pretty sure that is the name of the patch) to allow you to transfer the files between machines. Not sure that it worked so good on the first versions of terminal services, I remember a few late nights just getting the rotten thing up and running. The earlier versions were ...... challenging.

I have not tried doing a screen shot though, that might have worked for him. If he had viewed a file he wanted to keep.

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 04:50 PM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 18 October 2012 - 03:20 PM, said:

I never doubted that he was telling the truth, or that many people were incredibly lax about computer security--so much so that he just broke into their systems without too much trouble.  Maybe he just got lucky, but it certainly upset and embarrassed a lot of people.

He was looking for UFO information and he got it.  I'm not at all surprised to find that NASA alters or destroys UFO pictures because people have been saying that for decades.  They have never given a straight answer on one single UFO case yet, but have been caught in lie after lie after lie.

Nor did it shock me to learn that we had a secret space program with very advanced technology since the military space missions existed even before NASA and people like Ben Rich and his colleagues said 20 years ago that such advanced technology already existed.

it wasn't luck when he hacked into there systems it was skill.


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Posted 20 October 2012 - 05:06 PM

View Postpsyche101, on 20 October 2012 - 09:07 AM, said:

Not even that.

He partly viewed a picture that did not complete.


How come he describes the craft in detail?  Eyewitness testimony is an extremely powerful thing when the same message is being transmitted by hundreds of thousands of people!

Go to 7:30 in the following clip.  It's very clear what he saw.



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Posted 20 October 2012 - 05:25 PM

View Postzoser, on 20 October 2012 - 05:06 PM, said:

How come he describes the craft in detail?  Eyewitness testimony is an extremely powerful thing when the same message is being transmitted by hundreds of thousands of people!

Go to 7:30 in the following clip.  It's very clear what he saw.


I agree.
Why would he lie, implying he had seen something tangeable, knowing that would strengthen the case against him?

In either scenario, his lawyer must have been freaking out seeing this interview, screaming "SHUT UP!" :w00t:

The man strikes me as highly naive, stupid, or a combination thereof.

Edited by synchronomy, 20 October 2012 - 05:26 PM.

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 05:33 PM

View Postsynchronomy, on 20 October 2012 - 05:25 PM, said:

I agree.
Why would he lie, implying he had seen something tangeable, knowing that would strengthen the case against him?

In either scenario, his lawyer must have been freaking out seeing this interview, screaming "SHUT UP!" :w00t:

The man strikes me as highly naive, stupid, or a combination thereof.

That's a great point.  Furthermore Gary is known to have Aspergers syndrome:
  • Difficulty reading the social and emotional messages in the eyes - People with AS don't look at eyes often, and when they do, they can't read them.
  • Making literal interpretation - AS individuals have trouble interpreting colloquialisms, sarcasm, and metaphors.
  • Being considered disrespectful and rude - Prone to egocentric behavior, individuals with Asperger's miss cues and warning signs that this behavior is inappropriate.
  • Honesty and deception - Children with Asperger's are often considered "too honest" and have difficulty being deceptive, even at the expense of hurting someone's feelings.
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Posted 20 October 2012 - 05:43 PM

View Postzoser, on 20 October 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

That's a great point.  Furthermore Gary is known to have Aspergers syndrome:
  • Difficulty reading the social and emotional messages in the eyes - People with AS don't look at eyes often, and when they do, they can't read them.
  • Making literal interpretation - AS individuals have trouble interpreting colloquialisms, sarcasm, and metaphors.
  • Being considered disrespectful and rude - Prone to egocentric behavior, individuals with Asperger's miss cues and warning signs that this behavior is inappropriate.
  • Honesty and deception - Children with Asperger's are often considered "too honest" and have difficulty being deceptive, even at the expense of hurting someone's feelings.
Read More.........

http://psychology.wi...perger_syndrome

Wow.  That's a thorough article.
That sheds some light on why he seems so calm in that interview and appears quite happy to spill his guts about everything.
Feel sorry for the guy.  He seems convinced he was going to benefit humanity.  He made some reference to old aged pensioners and the cost of electricity.
I can see the logic behind stopping the extradition.  He needs medical help, not prison time.  After all, his crime really only resulted in improved security measures being adopted by the hacked agencies, which should have been in place to begin with.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 06:13 AM

View Poststevemagegod, on 20 October 2012 - 04:50 PM, said:

it wasn't luck when he hacked into there systems it was skill.


It bloody well was not. Microsoft have the "key"he used to access the systems, and anyone can download it for free. How he got in was the IT admins forgot to password the admin account on XP. By default, it has no password. Google it yourself. If anyone tries it on business after business, someone no doubt will still have that door open!
It's not skill at all. It's about as basic as you can get.

From the link:

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He sat in his girlfriend Tamsin's aunt's house in Crouch End, and he began to hack. He downloaded a program that searched for computers that used the Windows operating system, scanned addresses and pinpointed administrator user names that had no passwords.


That is not skill, that is being a PITA for the sake of it, and akin to walking your neigbourhood trying doors to see if they are open. It is dishonest and underhanded. Yet he was able to talk UFO nuts into supporting crime. You lot ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

Can anyone actually put a computer together these days?

What did Mckinnon say again?

"No," he says, "I'd instant message them, using WordPad, with a bit of a political diatribe. You know, I'd leave a message on their desktop that read 'Secret government is blah blah blah.' " They found Gary in the end because he'd used his own email address to download a hacking program called RemotelyAnywhere.

Edited by psyche101, 22 October 2012 - 07:07 AM.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 06:54 AM

SO this guy was able to get in gov computers because they had no passwords?
so he didn't really break in.. he just walked in??

So really the gov needs to get off windows.. and get on linux.. and encypt everything..
what is wrong with them?

Doesn't windows have a build in backdoor that makes it easy for hackers to get in??

They made it to easy for him..
but still nto right to get in the system with no permission..

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 07:34 AM

View Postzoser, on 20 October 2012 - 05:06 PM, said:

How come he describes the craft in detail?  Eyewitness testimony is an extremely powerful thing when the same message is being transmitted by hundreds of thousands of people!

Go to 7:30 in the following clip.  It's very clear what he saw.



Do you go to youtube to specifically annoy me? I would have asked you what, 4, 5 times now to please refrain from it when answering my posts. But I have not found courtesy to be one of your strong points.


You know what. I am not only stunned, but a little disgusted in UFO believers. This is a clear cut case of using you lot to escape jail, and you lot are so desperate for any snippet of information that you will even turn a blind eye to crime for the promise of information. The world would be a better place without people ready to bin their morals for a personal want. This case is crossing a moral line, and I can see that if someone utters the letters UFO, the line disappears. McKinnon should have been a wake up call, not a heavier addiction. And what do you all base your total blind belief on? Some repeated words. That is so sad that I have no words for it. This is dragging humanity backwards.
And you are the worst by a long, long shot. Now you advocate crime so that you can have another for the ET head count.

How is there hundreds of thousands of people involved in McKinnon crime? There is not. One man made some claims to get of the hook, and you are more than willing to give him a get out of jail card. And yes, eyewitness testimony is very powerful. It is the leading cause of wrongful convictions that have been overturned by DNA evidence. 75% of people who have had their name cleared were wrongfully convicted, and spent a healthy stint inside all in the name of eyewitness testimony. Thank the lord that someone is finally contesting it. I hope to see it thrown out of the court systems altogether. It is biased and inaccurate.

He claims thosands viewed what he did. Why are none of them letting this out from the protected country borders? There is nothing to stop anyone in Thailand putting such in a local newspaper. But everyone seem to constantly forget that this is a bigger question than just the US.

McKinnon said:

"Once you're on the network, you can do a command called NetStat - Network Status - and it lists all the connections to that machine. There were hackers from Denmark, Italy, Germany, Turkey, Thailand ..."


Plenty of support he has doesn't he!! Not a single anonymous source in the world willing to get him off the hook whom he claims also has the so called information! And they would have to be better admins that know how to backup, ort do a screen shot.

And what other assumptions are we working with here?




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"I found a list of officers' names," he claims, "under the heading 'Non-Terrestrial Officers'."

"Non-Terrestrial Officers?" I say.

"Yeah, I looked it up," says Gary, "and it's nowhere. It doesn't mean little green men. What I think it means is not earth-based. I found a list of 'fleet-to-fleet transfers', and a list of ship names. I looked them up. They weren't US navy ships. What I saw made me believe they have some kind of spaceship, off-planet."

"The Americans have a secret spaceship?" I ask.

"That's what this trickle of evidence has led me to believe."

"Some kind of other Mir that nobody knows about?"

"I guess so," says Gary.


"What were the ship names?"
"I can't remember," says Gary. "I was smoking a lot of dope at the time. Not good for the intellect."





There is no other MIR. We could see it if there was. I could see it if there was. And he clearly states the spaceship is his own speculation, which anyone can see is rather fantasy filled. Note the words "Led Me to Believe". But that is your "standard for evidence" I guess so I should not really be surprised should I?

Perhaps through the dope clouded haze he could make out the spaceship that he decided to believe in?

But who was running this big organisation that he was "Lead to believe" existed? Even McKinnon is not game to make something up there.


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"And did you find a conspiracy?" I ask.

"No," he says.

He strenuously denies the justice department's charge that he caused the "US military district of Washington" to become "inoperable". Well, once, he admits, but only once, he inadvertently pressed the wrong button and may have deleted some government files.



Deleted files by his own admission, but hey, you lot keep saying he did no damage.


I do however agree with this from the article:

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"Given that the justice department has announced that the information Gary downloaded was not "classified", and he was stoned much of the time, perhaps we can assume that Nasa is not too worried about his "discoveries".

He thought he was Mendax. He is not a pimple on Mendax' behind.

Here is one message he defaced a computer with.

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“U.S. foreign policy is akin to government-sponsored terrorism these day…. It was not a mistake that there was a huge security stand down on September 11 last year…. I am SOLO. I will continue to disrupt at the highest levels.”

And you wonder why he got in trouble? What do you think would happen to any other person of the street if they left notes like this in your house? He is lucky the Brits have him. I know of someone did something like that to me, and I knew who they were, then we would not need a courts system. Just an ambulance.

September 11! Is that as tacky as a person can be? How many lives were lost that day? And it is a subject of personal bravado? Just that he inclined he had involvement is enough to punish to him! That he influences people like you to this extent to support crime I think is valid reason enough for him to go to Guantanamo. He should have to experience what happens when you act the smart **** with defence, the only reason he got of was because his mUm said he would kill himself if he went there. Yet in his interview, his biggest fear is being told to drop the soap in a prison shower.

And despite the extensive posts, you still do not understand what happened with IT. He did not see an entire picture, he claims to have found Hi Res pictures, which he claims to have accessed, but his lousy 56k connection (see previous picture) did not have enough speed to download the picture. Are you too young to remember dial up connections?

Rather than a youtube clip, here are McKinnon's own words in text. If too much, maybe someone can find you a PP presentation of them on youtube or something. What he did find was the Disclosure Project. Greer's fantasies about cities on the moon. So stupid I do not know where to begin with that one, but I am sure you have a starting point in mind.



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McKinnon: Certainly did. There is The Disclosure Project. This is a book with 400 testimonials from everyone from air traffic controllers to those responsible for launching nuclear missiles. Very credible witnesses. They talk about reverse-(engineered) technology taken from captured or destroyed alien craft.

WN: Like the Roswell incident of 1947?

McKinnon: I assume that was the first and assume there have been others. These relied-upon people have given solid evidence.

WN: What sort of evidence?


McKinnon: A NASA photographic expert said that there was a Building 8 at Johnson Space Center where they regularly airbrushed out images of UFOs from the high-resolution satellite imaging. I logged on to NASA and was able to access this department. They had huge, high-resolution images stored in their picture files. They had filtered and unfiltered, or processed and unprocessed, files.
My dialup 56K connection was very slow trying to download one of these picture files. As this was happening, I had remote control of their desktop, and by adjusting it to 4-bit color and low screen resolution, I was able to briefly see one of these pictures. It was a silvery, cigar-shaped object with geodesic spheres on either side. There were no visible seams or riveting. There was no reference to the size of the object and the picture was taken presumably by a satellite looking down on it. The object didn't look manmade or anything like what we have created. Because I was using a Java application, I could only get a screenshot of the picture -- it did not go into my temporary internet files. At my crowning moment, someone at NASA discovered what I was doing and I was disconnected.




See the bolded? Now go and Google 4 bit colour (try to find yourself an example if you can) and low screen resolution. There we have exactly what he claims to have seen. And after al that, he adds a great deal of speculation, and imagines a spaceship. It's pretty pathetic, but not so much as the fact that he managed to fool so many people. You have lowered my faith inhuman nature Zoser. All by yourself. You are one of the reasons crooks like this should be incarcerated  I did not actually think anyone would be dim enough to fall for his garbage story.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 07:45 AM

View PostLostSouls7, on 22 October 2012 - 06:54 AM, said:

SO this guy was able to get in gov computers because they had no passwords?
so he didn't really break in.. he just walked in??

So really the gov needs to get off windows.. and get on linux.. and encypt everything..
what is wrong with them?

Doesn't windows have a build in backdoor that makes it easy for hackers to get in??

They made it to easy for him..
but still nto right to get in the system with no permission..


Good God.

Thank you.

Finally someone has been able to understand.

UNIX is like a gazzillion time better than LINUX, or the most awesome FreeBSD is a brilliant alternative, and yes, McKinnon would not have breached those systems. Problem with LINUX I find is it seems to get patched an awful lot, and by just about anyone.

He did not just walk in, it is more like walking along your neighbourhood trying doors, and if you find one that is open, you just walk in and vandalise some stuff, take what you want, look in your private drawers, and walk out again.

Yes, that backdoor in this case was on the XP Operating system ,and the admin account has no password by default. All he had to do was type Administrator in the username, and leave the password blank, and hit enter. And yes, NASA should have been in more trouble, but because this guy was such a tosser, they went hard on him.

And you closing sentence says it all. It does not matter if the door is locked or not. Morally, you do not let yourself in and make yourself comfortable.

Thank you for your post!

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 07:55 AM

View Postsynchronomy, on 20 October 2012 - 05:43 PM, said:

Wow.  That's a thorough article.
That sheds some light on why he seems so calm in that interview and appears quite happy to spill his guts about everything.
Feel sorry for the guy.  He seems convinced he was going to benefit humanity.  He made some reference to old aged pensioners and the cost of electricity.
I can see the logic behind stopping the extradition.  He needs medical help, not prison time.  After all, his crime really only resulted in improved security measures being adopted by the hacked agencies, which should have been in place to begin with.

Have a look at this one as well in that case.




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A natural reaction to the mess of everyday life is to establish order (although the greater the success in achieving a set, predictable world, the greater the distress when faced with novelty and change). For a person with Asperger syndrome this reaction may become pathological: for example, the commonplace collection of objects can come to dominate his life as well the lives of those around him, and if all sense of proportion is lost an obsession can lead to criminal offending.


LINK - Asperger Syndrome from Childhood to Adulthood.


One can find anything and everything if you look hard enough, but does my link pertain to McKinnon? Can you tell me what aspects he suffers, how deep he suffers what aspects he does live with, how it affects him as an individual or what his life offered so far?

No, because it has nothing to do with what happened. And what happened is a crime. It is sad that people will allow crime if they can justify it within themselves. None of us have that right! A crime is a crime.

If he had anything to spill, how could an IT admin not possibly have a back up? That make no sense whatsoever. I best shut down for today, you lot are depressing me. Never knew people could turn a blind eye like this for something they want over crime. I obviously have too much faith in humanity.

What does McKinnon have that you could possibly find convincing?

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 07:59 AM

View Postsynchronomy, on 20 October 2012 - 05:25 PM, said:

I agree.
Why would he lie, implying he had seen something tangeable, knowing that would strengthen the case against him?

He has been playing in UFO forums since he was 15!!

Why do you think he targeted you lot? That is worked is the saddest part by a long shot.


View Postsynchronomy, on 20 October 2012 - 05:25 PM, said:

In either scenario, his lawyer must have been freaking out seeing this interview, screaming "SHUT UP!" :w00t:

Are you serious? How far do you think his lies would go in a court room? He had nothing more than wild tales! In a court of law, you have to prove what you say.  I really doubt anyone gave a rof=dents rectum about his stpid UFO stories, they would have been very upset at his SOLO crap and 911 references.

Would you make a reference to 911 like that? I know I could not stoop that low.

View Postsynchronomy, on 20 October 2012 - 05:25 PM, said:

The man strikes me as highly naive, stupid, or a combination thereof.

And a liar.

Things are what they are. - Me Reality can't be debunked. That's the beauty of it. - Capeo 'If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.' - Sir Isaac Newton. "Let me repeat the lesson learned from the Sturrock scientific review panel: Pack up your old data and forget it. Ufology needs new data, new cases, new rigorous and scientific methodologies if it hopes ever to get out of its pit." Ed Stewart. Youtube is the last refuge of the ignorant and is more often used for disinformation than genuine research.  There is a REASON for PEER REVIEW... - Chrlzs. Nothing is inexplicable, just unexplained. - Sir Wearer of Hats.





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