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Joan Peters' myth exposed and debunked


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#1    ExpandMyMind

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 08:00 AM

A few on this forum have tried to claim that the Arab migration to Palestine was so significant, that most of the Palestinians in Palestine during the mandate were not actually Palestinians at all! This myth was given credit, largely due to a book called Time Immemorial written by Joan Peters.

Dr. Norman Finkelstein is largely credited with destroying this myth, and along with it, Joan Peters' career. Now, I own the book in paperback an I have searched high and low across the internet to find a pdf version so I can copy/paste the relevant material to make it fairly simple for all to see and read. But, as I have not so far found a pdf version, I am doing it 'manually', which takes a LOT of time and I feel I have spent enough of my time exposing this awful hoax that has already, long ago, been literally laughed out of the halls of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.

But, what I can do, fairly easily, is provide you with a link to the relevant chapter, for all to read themselves, making it extremely easy for anyone interested to see quite clearly, as Dr. Finkeltein has laid it out so, exactly how far off the mark Joan Peters went when rewriting history.

Now I understand that many won't have the time to read through the whole chapter, which is a dire shame because the chapter absolutely mauls and exposes the fraud for what it is, but what I will suggest is that those interested, simply read the first 4 or 5 pages from the relevant chapter - from page 21 - to see clearly the tactics Peters has employed (making up statistics, lying, discarding the actual documented record, etc.)

http://books.google....ICT pdf&f=false

You will be literally shocked to see the lengths that Peters goes to, in an attempt to create her own little world where the documented record becomes obsolete.

Thank you. And I hope that all have the time to read this, because it is one of the most important pieces of literature you can come across with regards to the hoax that has been perpetuated extensively, only to die, then to be reborn with the internet due to the vast amount of foolish people who try to pass it off as fact.

Page 21 (23 is when he begins to go into the details) onwards and all will become clear.

Also, if anyone can find a pdf version anywhere, it would be much appreciated for then I could lay it all out very easily.

Edited by expandmymind, 05 October 2010 - 08:05 AM.


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Posted 05 October 2010 - 08:18 AM

Highly respected Israeli historian Yehoshua Porath http://en.wikipedia....Yehoshua_Porath
and his take on Joan Peters:

Mrs. Petersís Palestine


http://www.nybooks.c...erss-palestine/

Also well worth reading.


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Posted 05 October 2010 - 08:57 AM

And yet more, meticulously detailed material, that exposes extensively the Joan Peters myth.

From Time Immemorial: The Origins of the Arab-Jewish Conflict Over Palestine (Part 1 of 6)

http://www.capitalis...stine-Part.html

From Time Immemorial - Palestine on the Eve of Zionist Settlement: An Empty Land? (Part 2 of 6)

http://www.capitalis...x.php?news=2136

From Time Immemorial - The British Mandate (Part 3 of 6) (April 18, 2002) (you'll need to scroll down for the third part).

http://www.scribd.co...Time-Immemorial

From Time Immeroial - Natural Increase and the Growth of Palestine's Arab Population (Part 4 of 6)

http://www.capitalis...x.php?news=2138

From Time Immemorial - Evidence of Unrecorded Arab Immigration (Part 5 of 6)

http://www.capitalis...x.php?news=2139

From Time Immemorial - Peters' Book From Time Immemorial Lacks Objectivity (Part 6 of 6)

http://www.capitalis...x.php?news=2140

Debunked - truly.

Now if anyone even attempts to try to bring up this hoax or the lies it has helped perpetuate, they will be referred to this thread where they can go on to educate themselves thoroughly.

Edited by expandmymind, 05 October 2010 - 09:13 AM.


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Posted 06 October 2010 - 09:09 AM

I don't usually enjoy calling people out in threads. But, as you have done it to me very recently and on more than one occassion:

Eeerrriiiik

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Aren't you going to address this thread? After all, if you have taken the time to read a full 600 pages Joan Peters', I'm sure you can spare a few hours reading the material that exposes it as a fraud? Even the previous posted articles would suffice. In the other thread, you said:

View PostErikl, on 04 October 2010 - 09:12 PM, said:

Many demagogues on this forum are trying to re-write history. It's time to fight back.

Well, this is the very thread to 'fight back'. Let us know all of your theories, so we can get actual facts out in the open.

Edited by expandmymind, 06 October 2010 - 09:10 AM.


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Posted 07 October 2010 - 06:56 AM

Calling "Eriiik"?

Why not ME Rookie?
This is why:
Contemporaneously From the same nybooks only with BOTH sides. With Porath himself being critiqued and Peters ressurected.

http://www.nybooks.c...ne-an-exchange/

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"...But the fact remains that there is an original and significant argument at the heart of her book, and this has Scarcely been Dealt with by critics, apart from Mr. Porath, who only WEAKLY challenged it.
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Far more is also written in her favor by Pipes and others.

and the use of (Disgraced, Depaul-Dumped, Yale-Rejected) Jewish antisemite Crackpot Norman Finkelfuhrer is a JOKE.
Finkelfuhrer proudly procliams he's never written a peer reviewed piece.
Only a goofball would even try using the Wack Job author of 'The Holocaust Industry' as a serious source.
The favorite of hate sites and antisemites though!


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Not to mention expendmymind's Unwitting criticism of Dershowitz (which I told him about) For using so much of the TWENTY YEAR VALIDATED Facts of Peters.... about which there is NO LONGER debate as to the truth of the matter/s.

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Posted 07 October 2010 - 07:44 AM

OK, so let us hear your theories. What exactly in Joan Peters' fraud do you think to be reality? Give me examples. Arab immigration? An empty land? What? Give me plenty of examples of what it is you think that Peters actually proved in that farce of a book.

All you have done here is provide nothing.


On your statement on Finkelsteins book, The Holocaust Industry - which it should be mentioned, has no bearing on this topic or any other I have started - here's what Raul Hilberg had to say about it (y'know, the most authoritative figure on holocaust studies on the entire planet, eh, ever http://en.wikipedia....ki/Raul_Hilberg ).

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I would now say in retrospect that he was actually conservative, moderate and that his conclusions are trustworthy. He is a well-trained political scientist, has the ability to do the research, did it carefully, and has come up with the right results. I am by no means the only one who, in the coming months or years, will totally agree with Finkelstein's breakthrough."
http://en.wikipedia....s_and_critiques

Obviously you have not read it - and actually have no idea what it is about. You have just latched on to the fact that it revolves around anything Jewish Holocaust-related, and used it as a truly weak means to discredit the writer. Do you even know what it's about?

Nice try. But as I stated above, give me examples of what exactly you believe to be reality in Joan Peters' hoax.

Also, I showed pretty convincingly in the other thread, just how worthless Dershowitz is when it comes to Israel/Palestine matters.


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Posted 08 October 2010 - 09:29 PM

it was just another weak and failed attempt to erase the palestinian
history ... all attempts will fail in the matter
no matter how hard they try

by the name of Allah the Gracious the Merciful
Say, "I seek refuge in the Lord of daybreak From the evil of that which He created
And from the evil of darkness when it settles And from the evil of the blowers in knots
And from the evil of an envier when he envies"
truthful was Allah The Most High And Great


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Posted 09 October 2010 - 04:38 AM

View Postexpandmymind, on 05 October 2010 - 08:57 AM, said:

Now if anyone even attempts to try to bring up this hoax or the lies it has helped perpetuate, they will be referred to this thread where they can go on to educate themselves thoroughly.

Google Books? Really? Everyone knows Google is anti-semetic, biased and lies. :innocent:

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Posted 09 October 2010 - 04:52 AM

View Postel midgetron, on 09 October 2010 - 04:38 AM, said:

Google Books? Really? Everyone knows Google is anti-semetic, biased and lies. :innocent:

It is a fact that I have established through extensive research on xtube and redtube that Google books is anti-semitic, leftist, full of self hating jews, anti-Israel, pro-terrorist and targets civilians.

Edited by William Rea, 09 October 2010 - 04:56 AM.


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Posted 09 October 2010 - 04:56 AM

View Postabu-afak, on 07 October 2010 - 06:56 AM, said:

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All this time I had this debate and research thing wrong. In future I'll know that to counter an argument all I need to do is to mount a photo of a source in an old Nazi picture. Thanks, that will save me no end of time and money trying to find actual facts about world politics.

My research is now attached below....

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Edited by William Rea, 09 October 2010 - 05:30 AM.


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Posted 09 October 2010 - 05:23 AM

View PostWilliam Rea, on 09 October 2010 - 04:52 AM, said:

It is a fact that I have established through extensive research on xtube and redtube that Google books is anti-semitic, leftist, full of self hating jews, anti-Israel, pro-terrorist and targets civilians.

Like I totaly know!! Please start a thread devoted to what an anti-semetic lie mill Google is. :tu:

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