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#31    Imaginarynumber1

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 10:31 PM

View PostGromdor, on 20 December 2012 - 03:32 PM, said:

  I have to disagree with this.  Torture does work if you want an individual to say what you want to hear or confess to something he would normally not.  Despots have used torture for years to get confessions from people before executing them.
  I can also see how it occurs in this day and age when the US is wanting certain answers and sub-contract their interrogation out to other countries- especially if funding is involved.  No results is no pay after all.

The point is that those things that they normally would not say under torture are not true things. No reliable intel comes from torture, but if you're looking to find a few hundred witches....

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 10:34 PM

I wonder what information you can gain from sodomy?


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Posted 21 December 2012 - 04:47 PM

View PostRut Roh, on 19 December 2012 - 02:39 AM, said:

No, you just made a typical blanket statement and I simply told you that you were incorrect.  Go back and look at the thread.

http://www.unexplain...topic=233373=

BTW, people can stay awake longer than that and live....who woulda thunk it.

Assumptions galore as before
Yes you're right, people can stay awake longer than 5 days and not die from it.  They also can stay awake 5 days and die from it.  Thats why guiness no longer keeps the record for longest time with no sleep.  I don't get what point you're trying to make.  My point is that torture is wrong.  Please clearly state your point now.


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Posted 22 December 2012 - 03:04 AM

View PostOverSword, on 21 December 2012 - 04:47 PM, said:

Yes you're right, people can stay awake longer than 5 days and not die from it.  They also can stay awake 5 days and die from it.  Thats why guiness no longer keeps the record for longest time with no sleep.  I don't get what point you're trying to make.  My point is that torture is wrong.  Please clearly state your point now.

Okay, this is MY point stated clearly {.}


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Posted 22 December 2012 - 04:25 AM

good. how else can we get terrorists to talk? ask them? please read "the prince" by machiavelli and you will understand and stop living in the fantasy world that this is a utopia.

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 04:26 AM

View PostImaginarynumber1, on 20 December 2012 - 10:31 PM, said:

The point is that those things that they normally would not say under torture are not true things. No reliable intel comes from torture, but if you're looking to find a few hundred witches....

and reliable intel can come from torture too.

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 04:55 AM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 20 December 2012 - 08:27 PM, said:

Having read the book about the Stanford Prison Experiment in the 70s, it is no surprise that some humans come out in favor of blurring the line about just what is torture.  Some humans boldly defend torture, deluded by silly nonsense on TV shows.

The spirit of Nuremberg is dead and gone in this bloody judeo christian country.

I had not heard of the Experiment, until I stumbled across it in a TV show called DARK MATTERS.  So I read more about it.  It was a fascinating (if not a bit reckless) study.


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Posted 22 December 2012 - 05:01 AM

View PostSakari, on 20 December 2012 - 02:48 AM, said:

Sodomizing someone as torture?

Who in their right mind would perform sodomy as a torture?

" hey, I know lets try this"........Really?
a horny sodomizer

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 05:03 AM

I dont think the average person thinks this is ok. But one has always gotta wonder wtf is going on.




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Posted 22 December 2012 - 06:13 AM

View Postpbarosso, on 22 December 2012 - 04:26 AM, said:

and reliable intel can come from torture too.

The majority of information gathered through torture is unreliable. But please, keep justifying it.

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 06:34 AM

View Postpbarosso, on 22 December 2012 - 04:26 AM, said:

and reliable intel can come from torture too.

Prove that to be true,

If a person does not know what they are being tortured for will say anything and if not how woudl one know.  It does not work

Edited by The Silver Thong, 22 December 2012 - 06:38 AM.

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 06:38 AM

View Postpbarosso, on 22 December 2012 - 04:25 AM, said:

good. how else can we get terrorists to talk? ask them? please read "the prince" by machiavelli and you will understand and stop living in the fantasy world that this is a utopia.
So you sodomize them?


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Posted 22 December 2012 - 06:42 AM

might as well beat a bunch of puppies yo figure out what one chat on the floor.

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 06:53 AM

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 04:43 PM

View Postsupervike, on 22 December 2012 - 04:55 AM, said:

I had not heard of the Experiment, until I stumbled across it in a TV show called DARK MATTERS.  So I read more about it.  It was a fascinating (if not a bit reckless) study.

Phillip Zimbardo conducted the experiment and wrote the book, The Lucifer Effect.  A very appropriate title.  He was called in (I think to Congress) to testify about the Abu Ghraib torture spectacle.  In the end, it's a fascinating study of the darker side of human behavior.

The thread topic incident here is rather a cross between The Lucifer Effect and Stanley Milgram's study about humans following directions from authority figures.





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