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#4591    Norbert Dentressangle

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 08:41 PM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 29 November 2012 - 08:33 PM, said:

I don't know, it looks like a scouting vessel with the searchlights on it. B)


Regardless, I'm still a bit confounded by the apparent uninspired design features of supposed alien craft. 57 species (allegedly) and all we get to see are discs and spheres? <_<
I know I'm being tiresomely rational here when the purpose of the discussion has taken a Satirical tone, but perhaps much in the way that Aircraft, after the early years at any rate, all follow essentially the same principles (Wings to give lift, engines driiving propellers for propulsion, usually a vertical tail), since they all operate by the same principles, however much variation in number & position of engines, Wings etc there may be, perhaps the same would apply for Spacecraft? It needn't apply for craft that just navigate by means of being accelerated to escape velocity & then left to it, like our Probes, no, but perhaps for craft that operate by more sophisticated principles (particularly if they have to operate in atmosphere), they would follow one or two (or perhaps three, bearing in mind the currently popular Triangles) basic forms.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 08:42 PM

View PostSweetpumper, on 29 November 2012 - 08:38 PM, said:

Less features, less problems.

True, simpler is sometimes better.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:03 PM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 29 November 2012 - 08:42 PM, said:

True, simpler is sometimes better.
I thought simpler was always better

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:05 PM

View PostR4z3rsPar4d0x, on 29 November 2012 - 09:03 PM, said:

I thought simpler was always better
Unless you're a French car designer.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:09 PM

View PostR4z3rsPar4d0x, on 29 November 2012 - 09:03 PM, said:

I thought simpler was always better

That depends. You aren't going to fly through space with a couple of bowls glued together.

Sorry, I'm in a bit of a joking mood today I guess. :P

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:13 PM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 29 November 2012 - 09:09 PM, said:

That depends. You aren't going to fly through space with a couple of bowls glued together.

Sorry, I'm in a bit of a joking mood today I guess. :P

I guess we are just 'Poles' apart.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:17 PM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 29 November 2012 - 09:09 PM, said:


Sorry, I'm in a bit of a joking mood today I guess. :P
Seems I am too, my tongue is getting sore from it being stuck in cheek, and I've seen other examples of it here today and on ATS.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:24 PM

View Post747400, on 29 November 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

Unless you're a French car designer.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 11:12 PM

View Post747400, on 29 November 2012 - 08:10 AM, said:

Ah, there's the thing; my thesis is that they (supposing that there is a They) aren't, or at least, during, say, the 1950s, when UFOs first, as we know, came to prominence, weren't, trying to make Contact, because at the time they weren't sure if there was life here or not. They were doing effectively what we're doing on places like Mars, sending out probes to planets that they thought might look interesting to explore and see if they copuld find anything interesting. Since then, they might have been gradually carrying on a process of data gathering, with a view to perhaps establishing contact at some point on a discreet level if they think it might be advantageous. Indeed, there'd be a relay or a mother craft somewhere a discreet distance away, far enough not to alarm anybody so that they could carry on their researches without being bothered by or bothering anybody,.

I do not find that unreasonable, but I do find it unsupported. Many stories claims beings that are very much physical. I m not understanding why both methods would be deployed, that seems to not make sense to me.
I also think that a robot, or drone, would not have the intelligence to completely elude the entire planet. Even the most complex computers still do not think, in fact computers are efficient, not smart they cannot even subtract. They add negatives. They only do what they are programmed to do, and in an Alien envoronment, I would consider it impossible to be prepared for every eventuality. Machines also break down, have accidents, all sorts of things, but we do not have one.
I think what you have is an interesting thought experiment, and something we might consider someday, but I think a few holes need to be filled yet and I am not sure it would adequately explain the phenomena. I do feel natural phenomena captures a larger part but all in all, from what I have understood, the phenomena simply must have many answers, not a single one.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 11:16 PM

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You have to look at the entire case and sift though all the evidence. Isn't that how good investigators proceed?

Indeed, I agree. However, I guess that if every case presented was to be analysed this thouroughly, we'd never make it past the first handful.

Sadly, cases that are most likely hoaxes, as I imagine this one is (and I did read it intently) really need to be chucked out with the chaff. The 'wheat' is where we need to concentrate our investigations.

I was hoping it would bowl me over (*cough*) but sadly not.

Any further cases of interest? :-)

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 11:18 PM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 29 November 2012 - 10:02 AM, said:

Mt Garibaldi had some landslides in 1981. It's near Vancouver BC

There was an eruption of Mt St Helens in 1980 but it was near Vancouver WA. (I actually remember that one quite well, not too far from where I lived)

Seems like a random question unless I'm missing something....which isn't unusual. ^_^


Was my mistake, the recollection says looks like steam. Not issuing steam. My bad.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 12:19 AM

View Postzoser, on 29 November 2012 - 04:38 PM, said:

Nice to see you back on the thread again psyche :tu:

I was interested in the case McGuffin posted, The Canary Islands sighting.

He has excellent case knowledge, one of the best IMHO.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 12:26 AM

View Postzoser, on 29 November 2012 - 05:50 PM, said:


What would you expect him to think?  What about his testimony?  It cannot be disregarded.


Why not? What can you show that proves his statement? The hoax option based on physical appearance outweighs the facts provided for a genuine sighting.

You have some strange fascination with testimony. It has been proven to be unreliable, yet you take testimony to be complete in every detail, assumptions included. That's a fail.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 12:45 AM

View Postzoser, on 29 November 2012 - 05:57 PM, said:

(FN): Did you really think somebody was throwing a bowl?
(MZ) When I saw it, I says ‘did they throw something at me or what.’ Is there anybody really disturbing drivers? Some guy will not be careful and will hit another… but there was nobody there. No living soul. Only the gusts of wind blowing. It didn’t blow initially. At least I couldn’t feel it in the car. I got out of the car. And the other guy is still tipsy after the wedding so he keeps laughing at me..


Those are the references to the bowl idea.  I think people are imagining things instead of reading the whole case.

It's not the first time.



Just look at the case in more detail; that's all I ask.  If I'm wrong I'm wrong,

(FN): OK, but what did you think about this object when you saw it?
(MZ): When I was looking I thought that some punks must have thrown some bowl at me from a ditch, over the car, it flew sort of in front of the car. I says ‘damn it, they don’t have better things to do…’ I jumped out and I says ‘I’m gonna kick your asses’ but there is no-one around… And the Russian stopped behind me… Other cars didn’t stop. So I look what is wrong with the car but everything is fine. And the car started by itself. I have no idea what it was…


So because a drunk guy, who thought someone threw a bowl could not find a prankster

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 12:53 AM

There's so many eyewitness accounts out there, but not all of them can possibly be true. But I do hold the belief that there are indeed otherwordly beings out there -- it would be egotistical to assume we are the only ones in the universe.





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