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[Sir Wearer of Hats]

yearofthehater, on 12 February 2013 - 10:52 PM, said:

No I'm not talking on a wider scale of the rigid scientific orthodoxy creating a reductive view of existence. As for the ancient alien stuff the speculative evidence that is there doesn't get treated with the seriousness it deserves much like the theory itself.

The speculative evidence is like AA theory treated with the level of respect it deserves.
As it's interpretive evidence, it's interpreted to support the AA argument and it's interpreted to support the "mainstream" (or in some cases, the fringe but not AA) theories.

[psyche101]

zoser, on 12 February 2013 - 06:52 PM, said:

Modern man is not capable of producing a monument on the scale as the GP as accurately aligned.  Any proof to say otherwise?

I gave it to you, and you mumbled something about stamps. You do not undertand the answer. See Douglas Adams to solve that problem.

[psyche101]

zoser, on 12 February 2013 - 06:50 PM, said:

Easy: see above.  What do you thing electromagnetic energy actually is?

A wide ranging term that covers everything from Sunlight to Gamma rays. What about you? How are you proposing to use it with your LOL Granite? Come on, give us another chuckle!

[psyche101]

zoser, on 12 February 2013 - 06:41 PM, said:

Anyone looking at the design of that pyramid would have to come to the conclusion that they were capable of almost anything.  

The pyramid shape is probably the most basic and stable construction design in existence. That would be why little kids make pyramids out of mud and sand.

zoser, on 12 February 2013 - 06:41 PM, said:

Conclusion: copper not required.

That above does not come close to supporting this conclusion. What about Gantenbrink's door?

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German engineer Rudolf Gantenbrink using a crawler robot of his own design which he called "Upuaut 2". After a climb of 65 m (213 ft),[28] he discovered that one of the shafts was blocked by limestone "doors" with two eroded copper "handles"

Not required, but they used it anyway, but only in some spots? Wut?

Edited by psyche101, 13 February 2013 - 12:50 AM.

[psyche101]

yearofthehater, on 12 February 2013 - 10:52 PM, said:

No I'm not talking on a wider scale of the rigid scientific orthodoxy creating a reductive view of existence. As for the ancient alien stuff the speculative evidence that is there doesn't get treated with the seriousness it deserves much like the theory itself.

A reductive view of existence? So you feel that offering you all the information so the one can go out and test what science proposes for themselves are being somehow fooled by their own verification processes???

The level of seriousness would not have anything to do with the multiple fabrications and outright lies by any chance would it?? Have you seen the in depth explanations in this thread that metaphorically are a ladder into the depths of ignorance to those in the pit that are too lazy to climb it? AA has been given far too much time and effort IMHO!!! After the first dozen times of banging ones head against a wall, I feel the entire nonsense should be regarded for exactly what it is. Some very kindhearted people have gone to great length over the last 100 pages doing exactly what you say does not happen. They have treated this very seriously, and have meticulously explained every question in detail, only to be met with "I don't believe (but the apt word here would be get) what you are saying, so it is not true. In depth solid reasoning and information is met with simple denial. Seriously, the AA does not deserve the attention it does get!!

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Ancient Aliens: “Pumapunku is so unique in the way it was constructed and shaped and positioned that it is the most intriguing ancient site on the planet.”
AA: “While the pyramids at Giza are an incredible feat of achieved, compared to Pumapunku, the pyramids are child’s play.”
AA: “In my opinion, the most significant piece of evidence that we have in this entire ancient alien astronaut puzzle is Pumapunku in the highland of Bolivia.”
Well, if Pumapunku is considered such good evidence for the Ancient Astronaut theory, we should probably start by looking at it. After all, it’s the one that they say was built directly by extra-terrestrials.
AA: “Pumapunku is the only site on planet Earth that, in my opinion, was built directly by extraterrestrials.”
Ancient Aliens starts off with a false dilemma by making people think that it was absolutely impossible for ancient people to construct Pumapunku, even to the point of making outright false claims.
AA: “One of the most intriguing thing there is it that the stones that were used there weren’t sandstone, they’re granite and diorite. The only stone that is harder than diorite is diamond, so the only way this could have been achieved is if the tools were tipped with diamonds.”
This is funny because it’s totally wrong, the stones are not granite or diorite at Pumapunku, they are Red Sandstone and Andesite^[1][2][3], but this is also funny because of the way he says it.
AA: “The stones that were used there weren’t sandstone, they’re granite and diorite.”
Well yeah, actually it is sandstone. You can’t blame him though for it becomes obvious that throughout the series he often just repeats things he has heard in Eric Von Daniken’s books. Von Daniken’s books are what the Ancient Aliens series is based on. Later we see Eric Von Daniken himself make the exact same, totally wrong claim.
AA: “Of course [Pumapunku was] made out of stones found on Earth, because you don’t transport granite or diorite from another solar system.”
Von Daniken continues building up this false dilemma:
AA: “One of these platforms is 800 tons.”
That is very incorrect, the heaviest block at Pumapunku is 130 tons^[4], and most of the stones are much smaller than that. So he is off by a whopping 670 tons! Unfortunately we will come to expect this kind of thing from Von Daniken as we progress.
Ancient Aliens spends quite a lot of time pointing out the various features in the stone masonry at Pumapunku before declaring it impossible to do without power tools.
AA: “Each of these small drills holes are basically evenly spaced along this routed groove. To me it’s clear that power tools have been used on this unusual block of stone here.”
AA: “This surface is as smooth as a table top, like in your kitchen. There’s no wave to it. This was machined.”
The sandstone and andesite stones at Pumapunku would have been easily worked with the most basic stone working tools^[5][6], the idea that diamond tipped power saws were needed is ridiculous. The red sandstone was relatively soft and easy to work with, and even though andesite is pretty hard, because of the way it cooled it could be easily flaked off using stones as soft as 5.5 on the Mohs scale.^[7] Such pounding stones were found all over andesite quarries in the area.^[8]
Contrary to Ancient Aliens’ claims that archeologists are baffled by Pumapunku, Archeologists know the basics about how Pumapunku’s stones were cut and shaped.^[9][10] This is partly because there is evidence for this all over the site itself.
They actually used a method that almost all ancient stone workers used. They used hard -pounding stones to pound out troth like depressions; later on they used flat stones and sand to grind the stone to make a polished surface.^[11] We will see later on that this is also how the Egyptians, 1000’s of years before this, made their flat surfaced granite monuments like obelisks.^[12]
Sand, as we will see later when we look at Egypt, has extremely hard particles in it and, if placed between a flat surface and a rock, can polish even the hardest stones known to man. In fact, the harder the stone is the better it can be polished using sand.^[13]
We will also see that how sand can turn a piece of copper into a very efficient granite saw or granite drill – a method which the Egyptians utilized quite well.^[14]
Some stones at Pumapunku that Ancient Aliens would never show the cameras are the ones that were in the middle of this process. They show that at the same time a stone was being pounded by stone hammers, which created these troth like depressions, the grinding and polishing was taking place on the other end of the stone.^[15] Unfinished stones like this one clearly show how they were shaped – and it wasn’t with lasers.
There is also unmistakable evidence of stone hammers having been used in the places that were never meant to be visible, like where certain stones would be connected with one another.^[16] And because of that, it’s hard for me to believe Eric Von Daniken’s next claim, because it would mean that the alien tool box had a laser gun right next to a stone hammer.
AA: “Extraterrestrials arrive; the spaceship stands in orbit. Only a small spaceship can stand, like a space shuttle. So, to protect their instruments they (the aliens) make, overnight, with their technology, what we call a base camp. Of course [this was] made out of stones found on Earth, because you don’t transport granite or diorite from another solar system. Then they disappeared, but the wall of their base camp is still there.”
It is true that stone tools would not be enough to construct Pumapunku, especially for some of the finer points. For those they would need metal chisels, and the equivalent of a carpenter’s square.^[17]
Entire studies have detailed how these cuts were made, and nothing spectacular is required except some metal tools like chisels.^[18] The arguments against this are usually either that a particular culture did not yet know how to cast metals, or that copper chisels would have been too weak.
On the first point, we know that the Pre-Incan Andean culture was very skilled at fashioning metals and creating metal alloys.^[19]
In fact, the people who built Pumapunku were even pouring copper alloys into molds right on site,^[20]showing that they had more than enough capability to form all kinds of metal tools. The question is: what about the tool’s strength?
Even if they were pouring pure copper into the mold it would still work, but it would need sharpening often but, because archeologist actually found a few of these metal cramps used by them on site,^[21][22]we now know that they were using a very strong copper arsenic nickel alloy,^[23]  Which made a much stronger final product.
Arsenic acts as a de-oxidant preventing the metal from becoming too brittle^[24], and nickel was used in copper alloys specifically to make stronger chisels.^[25] Once you understand that they had the ability to make strong metal tools in a huge variety of shapes, there is no part of Pumapunku’s stone work that would have been too difficult for them.
Well what about these 90-degree right angles that Ancient Aliens’ makes such a fuss about?
AA: “One of the amazing things here at Pumapunku is the precision of the blocks. You can see with this block of granite that it’s really been cut at very accurate 90-degree angles.”
To make flat surfaces with right angles you don’t need alien technology, you only need a square or a simple equivalent. It’s important to keep in mind that Pumapunku would have been built 1000’s of years after the Egyptians, who had all kinds of squares and plumb bobs and levels and so on^[26], it’s a pretty basic stone working tool.
That being said, despite what Ancient Aliens says, Pumapunku is not all perfect right angles. You can even see this, ironically enough, as the Ancient Aliens crew goes around with carpenters squares. You can see some of them simply are not square.
Also they make claims like all the H blocks are the same dimensions, which they say suggest they were made by a big machine, but not only would that not be the only conclusion if it were true, it’s not even true.
The dimensions of the H blocks are not all the same, though they are close^[27]. It is probably the case that there were made using the same plans.
Speaking of plans…
AA: “Mainstream archaeologists say that Pumapunku was built by Amara Indians. [However] we would all have to agree that, in order to build something like Pumapunku, you need writing; you need planning, and you also need some sort of idea where which piece goes and how it ultimately all fits together. But there is one thing that mainstream archaeologists agree upon [and that is] that the Amara didn’t have any writing. How is it possible that the Amara built all this without any plans?”
The builders of Pumapunku may not have had an alphabet, but they did use the common iconography or artwork of their culture called Yaya Mama.^[28][29]  All the icons on the site are Yaya Mama, not secret alien code, and this is but one of the many indications of the culture and time that it was built.^[30]
But my point is that, like many cultures, they used pictures instead of an alphabet and, like most building plans, they used pictures like blueprints. So saying that no alphabet means no planning is, in my opinion, pretty ridiculous.
Well, what about moving the stones and lifting them into place? Surely that would have required levitation…
AA: “How these massive blocks of granite were moved from their quarries and brought here to Pumapunku would have required some kind of super technology. Levitation; anti-gravity, huge lifting vehicles…something that ancient aliens would have had.”
If they did know how to levitate these stones then they put far too much effort in creating places in the stones to attach ropes to.
Many stones have grooves several centimeters in width and depth on two adjacent faces for holding ropes.^[31] They even had special places cut into the stones that Pumapunku scholars call “hoisting grips.”^[32] These are all very strange things to do if they could simply levitate these blocks.
To make matters worse for the Ancient Astronaut theory, according to archeologist Jean-Pierre Protzen, an expert on Pumapunku, there is almost no stone at the Pumapunku site that does not have what he calls “drag marks” on one of its faces^[33], where it has been…well dragged to the site.
Ancient Aliens throws another false dilemma here:
AA: “What nobody talks about is the irrefutable fact that we are at an altitude of 12,800 feet which means we are above the natural tree line. No trees ever grew in that area, meaning that no trees were cut down in order to use wooden rollers. The wooden roller theory falls by the wayside.”
This is like saying that there is no way that the Egyptians used wood because trees didn’t grow in Egypt. The difference is that while the Egyptians had to import wood from places like Lebanon, it would have been far easier for those at Pumapunku to solve this problem for all they would have had to do is walk down the hill a little bit.
Ok well what about this claim:
AA: “Logic does not exist at Pumapunku because there we have megalithic structures which just lie around this entire site as if ripped apart by some great force.”
I propose that logic still exists at Pumapunku, and that the scattered state of the complex can be easily explained. To quote from archeologist Alexi Vranich: “the high quality of the stones made it attractive building material for houses, churches, plazas, bridges, even railways.”^[34]
In other words, the stones were pulled down and hauled off by locals for building material. In fact, we even have the 400 year old writings of a visitor to Pumapunku who said that the looting was in full swing even back then. He wrote that if the site was closer to town, he didn’t think there would have been any stones left at all.^[35]
Ancient Aliens says that Pumapunku is 17,000 years old!
This is what Vranich said of this claim:
“The idea that Tiwanaku is 14,000 years old is based on a rather faulty study done in 1926. Since then, there has been a huge quantity of work both on the archaeology and geology of the area, and all data indicates that Tiwanaku existed from around A.D. 300-500.”^[36]
For more information on the faulty study he is referring to here I will quote at length from Jason Colavito, who has been debunking ancient astronaut theories for years in his books and blogs. He said the following about this claim.
“Tiwanaku is not 17,000 years old. This date derives from the work of Arthur Posnansky, who tried to apply archaeoastronomy to the site but did so in ways that modern scholars do not recognize as legitimate. Posnansky proposed a date of 15,000 B.P. (before present, i.e. 13,000 BCE), which the geniuses on Ancient Aliens misread as 15,000 BCE, adding an extra 2,000 years to Posnansky’s already flawed dates.
Here’s what he did wrong. Posnansky assumed that the Kalasasaya temple at Tiwanaku was laid out with perfect accuracy to align to the equinoxes and solstices that he felt (but could not prove) were important to the Tiwanaku people.
Thus, on a certain day the sun was supposed to rise above one rock at the temple and set behind another – ah, but which rock should we choose? Since the current ruins do not align with these celestial events accurately, he concluded that the ruins must have been built at a time when they would have alignedwith that event.
Since the sun and sky change positions at a predictable rate due to gradual changes in the angle of the earth’s axis, he concluded that Kalasasaya was built in 13,000 BCE as a solar observatory, despite no other evidence of solar astronomy at the site.
The long and short of it is that Posnansky assumed celestial alignments and assumed flawless construction and then used his assumptions to “prove” that his assumptions were correct.
Colavito also has this picture of the site with the caption: “Pick a rock, any rock. One of them must align with something”
This site has been dated using a huge variety of methods. Things like carbon dating; the type of metals they used, the debris found in certain places, the type of iconography they used. Literally every kind of dating method applied comes to the same conclusion: It was constructed in the early middle ages.^[37]
Before we conclude this section on Pumapunku there are two other claims I wanted to address:
AA: “The Spanish asked the Inca, the people living there, including the king of the Inca ‘What is this Pumapunku?’ and they all said ‘It’s not us. It’s not our forefathers that made this. This was made by the gods in one, single night.’ Usually a king is proud of what his people did, about the precision. [However] in this case the chief of the people said ‘No. It was not us. It was the gods who made it’.
If you understand a little about the Incan imperial system and religion, you will understand why the Incans didn’t claim the site and why they claimed that it had a supernatural origin.
Part of the Incan state religion was that the Incan empire was the first civilization and was created by God himself. It was a very convenient idea for bolstering the Incan case for the right to rule everyone else.
When the Incans arrived at Pumapunku the site had already been abandoned for at least 100 years.^[38]Admitting that there was a pre-Incan culture at all, let alone one with more skill than them, would have been detrimental to the whole scheme.
So they slightly modified their already existing mythology to include Pumapunku. So, instead of Virachoca creating the Incan capital, he also created Pumapunku. Just like that the Incans were still the oldest and greatest civilization, even though everyone probably knew it wasn’t true.
Finally, Ancient Aliens says the following about what the ancient local people believed regarding who constructed Pumapunku:
AA: “Local legend suggests that Tianaka was built as a site of religious pilgrimage to celebrate the arrival of sky gods.”
This is a total lie. Viracocha came from the sea not the sky. This is a very sneaky move by Ancient Aliens in my opinion.
In conclusion, the stones are not made of Granite and Diorite. The stones were easily workable with the tools available to the Andean culture – tools which we know included high-quality metal-alloyed chisels.
These tools would have been more than sufficient to make the angles seen at Pumapunku. The faces of the rocks have been finished using a polishing technique after being rough cut using stone hammers – evidenced by the unfinished stones and hidden areas of the finished stones.
The moving of the stones was not as difficult as Ancient Aliens makes it seem, especially when you take into account they are telling people that the stones weigh 600 tons more than they actually do. The stones have tell-tale drag marks and hoisting holes for ropes, all showing that they were not levitated as Ancient Aliens would have us believe.
We know the culture which built this monument, and all the iconography and sculptures are consistent with that culture. The various methods of dating that scientist use all point to the same time period. The idea that Pumapunku was from Atlantean times we now know is based on a very transparently flawed presupposition which, with modern equipment, can be easily demonstrated to be false.

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[Abramelin]

zoser, on 12 February 2013 - 07:01 PM, said:

Anyway.  Nothing yet to disprove the generator theories, but at least people are giving the matter some thought.

I guarantee that no one will.  Simply because that is what the GP was.  Can't say for sure that that is what they all were because I haven't had time to look in detail at the others.

Busy tonight; working late.  Apologies if I haven't replied to everyone.

See you tomorrow.

Z

If you believe the generator theory, you will believe this too:

Abramelin, on 20 November 2009 - 07:03 PM, said:

About that shaft you mentioned, Qoais...

I have this theory... the ancient Egyptians were in contact with the ancient Chinese.

Once, Hemanwhatsup (Egyptian) met Huat Hu (China man) in a port on the Red Sea. They were exchanging tales and trade, and after a beer or two things got a bit out of hand. Huat Hu then lit a firecracker and scared the living daylights out of Hemanwhatsup, just to see Hemanwahtsup's stinking black wig fly off from his head and see his bare skull.

Of course Hemanwhatsup asked - after his heartbeat had settled down to a healthy level - what this demonic demonstration was supposed to be.

Well, Huat Hu then told him it was just a mix of chemicals, and that they had a lot of fun with it in his home country. He also told him that they had rockets filled with the same stuff. "Rockets?", asked Hemanwhatsup. "Yeah, here, I will show you" said Huat Hu.

And so he did...

After Hemanwhatsup regained consciousness, he asked Huat Hu for the formula of the mix, for he had an idea...  He knew his pharao wanted to return to his beloved family in the sky after he died. He asked Huat Hu a bit more about these 'rockets', said goodbye, and left for home.

So Hemanwhatsup asked for a talk with the pharao. After just a 100 whiplashes - for his insubordinance of wanting to even talk to a megalomaniac like the Pharao - he got permission.

Then he told the pharao of his plan: build a shaft in that dungeon you are building, let the priests stick this thing in your mummified a**, and shoot you back home.

After his demonstration - and after his feet getting fried to sinders for scaring the godlike Pharao to a point he thought he was going to see his ancestors way too early - the priests surounding the unconscious body of their Pharao thought, "hmmmmmmm, we think he's got something here".

So they build that shaft into the Great Pyramid while it was still being constructed.

OK, after some years the Pharao finally died, got mummified, and they put him head up into that shaft, with a rocket inserted into his rear end.

They lit the thing, and hoped the best of it.

But alas, their beloved Pharao did not end up at Sirius or his ancestors orbiting around there as moons to a planet, his mummy got blasted to smithereens, and that was end of story.

They caught Hemanwhatsup, killed him, ate his liver, and burned the rest of his body to ashes.

The shaft was then closed by several giant stones so no one would get any funny ideas about what could have happened to their Pharao.

Edited by Abramelin, 13 February 2013 - 07:26 AM.

[psyche101]

zoser, on 12 February 2013 - 07:01 PM, said:

Anyway.  Nothing yet to disprove the generator theories, but at least people are giving the matter some thought.

What theories???????

There are not theories, there are musings and unsupported. Heck, it does not even qualify as a hypothesis!!

How do you feel qualified to claim this is some sort of unconventional generator when you have just spent the last dozen pages or so proving you do not have an inkling about electrical principals??? As Scowl has continuously and patiently pointed out many times, you are still at zero volts.

I do hope you end up deciding to give the matter some thought.

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

yearofthehater, on 12 February 2013 - 10:05 PM, said:

The anicent alien theory is the most plausible theory and if anyone doesn't think human beings are anything more than a genetically engineered slave race there deceiving themselves.

you could well be right.

[zoser]

More research on the Power Plant principle:


The Kings Chamber is known to have regular dimensions (Exhibit 2 and 3). One of the purposes of this regularity may be to allow for electromagnetic resonance, further enhancing the electromagnetic field within the Kings Chamber. This effect can indeed be calculated.

The dimensions of the walls and discontinuities at the corners may be taken into account, as in the JOSAarticle, to determine its resonance effect.

The techniques as exhibited in the enclosed articles - Laplace transform analysis of linear differential equations, are not limited to the analysis of electromagnetic phenomena. Indeed, the equations for acoustic coupling are linear differential equations10 and, in fact, are known to be simpler to analyze than the electromagnetic equations of Maxwell, since the acoustic equations are scalar, rather than vector. Hence, similar techniques of using the multiple Laplace transform defined over step functions of arbitrary shapes can be used to determine acoustic coupling effects. Indeed, the approach may be ideal for predicting the simultaneous acoustic and electromagnetic response of an object.

If the analysis on the Pyramid of Giza exhibits a feasible approach to an alternative energy source, the question arises as to its practical application. Is it possible to reproduce the phenomena, but not on such a grand scale?. Is it possible that the vibrational byproduct of some natural phenomena, such as a waterfall, can be stepped up to cause a masing effect upon a smaller model of the same engine? Alternative, clean energy sources are indeed desirable.

Read more:

http://www.gizapyram...m/ed-hyman1.htm

[zoser]

scowl, on 12 February 2013 - 07:42 PM, said:

No, we gave it some thought and dismissed it. You are the only one who doesn't understand why.

The truth cannot be dismissed.  It can be denied.  There is a difference.  Far too many congruent logistics to support the idea of a power plant but none to support the flat earth tomb idea.

Unless you have a new idea to support it?  Please provide it.

[zoser]

scowl, on 12 February 2013 - 07:46 PM, said:

Actually modern skyscrapers are all better aligned than the Great Pyramid. The pyramids didn't have to hook up to existing underground water, sewer and electrical services!

No where near on the same scale.  In area, volume, precision, alignment.  Nothing even comes close.  If you know of one, please let me know.  Repeated assertion will not do.

[zoser]

DingoLingo, on 12 February 2013 - 08:25 PM, said:

just on a side note.. had a bit of a thought about all this..

if what you say is true zoser.. why is the GP not generating its power still.. as you say.. its granite being squeezed by pressure.. etc etc etc

well technically.. everything is still there.. I have not heard of energy arcing off the gp..

It is.  Remember the story of Siemens and his associate who almost got knocked unconscious after an electric shock?  Where do you suppose that came from?  

Remember also that much stone has been removed and many items are missing.  Several explosive detonations have not helped either is my guess.   In short vandalism.

DingoLingo, on 12 February 2013 - 08:25 PM, said:

next question.. why the strange gallery?

why the distinct lack of evidence in the main chamber to support it being a generator of sorts.. from the heat caused by the power generation..

The grand gallery and the upper chamber bore the scars of unexplained scorch marks.  The upper chamber was alllegedly cleaned quite thoroughly to remove much of the burning.


In all the literature I had read, the Grand Gallery is described as being constructed of limestone. But here I was looking at granite! I noted a transition point further down the gallery where it changed from limestone to granite. I scanned the ceiling and saw, instead of the rough crumbling limestone one sees when first entering the gallery, what appeared to be, from 28 feet below, smooth highly polished granite. This was highly significant to me. It made sense that the material closer to the power center would be constructed of a material that was more resistant to heat.

I then paid closer attention to the scorch marks on the walls. There was heavy heat damage underneath each of the corbeled layer for a distance of about 12 inches, and it seemed as though the damage was concentrated in the center of the burn marks. I then visually took a straight line through the center of each scorch mark and projected it down towards the gallery ramp. That was when the chills ran down my spine and the hair stood out on my neck. The line extended down in alignment with the slot in the ramp!

http://www.gizapower.com/Blast.htm

More on the idea here:

http://www.bibliotec...piramide_21.htm

DingoLingo, on 12 February 2013 - 08:25 PM, said:

where are the machines that used the power.. nothing has been found

where's the cap stone..

All good questions.  Can I add a few here?  

Where are the artefacts from the Grand Gallery niches, where are the aretefacts from the antechamber, where is the granite box lid and what was in it, what is the purpose of the well shaft, how did the salt encrustations appear in the middle chamber, what was in the middle chamber niche, why were the middle chamber shafts sealed, ..........................I could probably fill a page here but I'm sure you get the idea.

DingoLingo, on 12 February 2013 - 08:25 PM, said:

not good enough.. I say (sounds familiar doesnt it) you say similar to us skeptics.. ball is in your court now zoser..

Having questions is good.  The observation I would make however is that nothing detracts from a generator principle whatsoever.

The capstone as an example was most probably the main radiating source for the EM energy.

Edited by zoser, 13 February 2013 - 08:54 AM.

[zoser]

More research and supporting logistics for the generator principle

The evidence presented that can be found in the Great Pyramid does indicate that the inner chambers of the monument were once subjected to great heat and/or an explosion which caused the great 70 ton granite beams in the ceiling of the King’s Chamber to crack.

This evidence, obvious when carefully observed, cannot in any way be explained or accounted for by merely dismissing the monument as being a tomb for a king constructed 4500 years ago. There needs to be more independent holistic study by scientists and researchers of varied disciplines concerning these anomalies mentioned to determine, if possible, whether an explosion did indeed occur in the Great Pyramid in antiquity.

There is enough evidence presently to bring into serious question the whole assumption of the pyramid being constructed as a tomb for a king in 2500 BC.

Read More

http://www.bibliotec...piramide_21.htm

[mcrom901]

zoser, on 13 February 2013 - 08:28 AM, said:

More research on the

ancient aliens...

http://www.amazon.co...a/dp/193548785X

http://www.amazon.co...a/dp/1935487892

[mcrom901]

Lord Vetinari, on 13 February 2013 - 08:15 AM, said:

you could well be right.

it was all about the shiny stuff....

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It all started when the Anunnaq, Eloheem (Rizqians) needed to protect the dwindling Atmosphere of their Planet Rizq. The rays from the 3 suns Utu, Shamash, and Apsu were depleting their ozone layer. Rizq was the heart and center of this Tri-solar system and was thus most effected.

There was a conflict in Illyuwn between a Reptilian called Tarnush, also known as Zuen, and Murdow: son of Enqi and Ninqi, who is also the grandson of Anu who put him first in command. Zuen Or Humbaba ranked second after Murdoq, but didn’t agree with his being head of all the Eloheem (Rizqians) and felt it should have been him. This disagreement lead to a war involving the Planet Rizq.

Out of revenge, Tarnush attacked the planet Rizq with a shield depleter which was a bomb that caused the natural atmosphere to dwindle away.

They needed to build a protection, a dome of gold dust particles suspended in the atmosphere to protect the planet from the damaging Ultraviolet rays. Having no protection they had to flee their planet to Orion. Murdoq was given a beam of Light Ray Gun, who hadn’t been converted from a disagreeable being to an agreeable being as of yet and was the “warrior-type” needed to fight and defeat Tarnush.

He was successful and Tarnush and 1/3 of the planet that supported him were cast out from the planet Rizq never to return. They took residence in the planet Titan. Astronomers log Titan as a moon of Saturn however, this is incorrect. Titan is really a planet, a solid body, that is located near Saturn.

With this victory Murdoq went on in search of planets that could supply the gold needed to protect the planet Rizq. As they passed through the milky way they discovered gold particles in the Asteroid belt, which is what let them know gold was present on the Planet QI (Earth). Once useful minerals were found on the planet Earth, the mining began.

Bases were set up on the planet Lahmu (Mars) and on the dark side of the moon called Kingu. Once the gold was mined from the planet it was taken to the “dark-side” of the moon in cylindrical crafts and then the larger cylinder crafts built on the moon, transported the gold to the mother-plane Nibiru.

Nibiru is a planet ship now twice the size of the earth and was built by the Rizqians for this purpose.

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Edited by mcrom901, 13 February 2013 - 09:12 AM.