Vlawde Posted March 30, 2016 #1 Share Posted March 30, 2016 First off, I don't mean to troll or insult those into this, but I am puzzled by this trend. My daughter in law and her friends are obsessed with Anime, and do nothing but draw anime style drawings and play videogames. Aaaand are typical nerds inasmuch as all overweight, jobless, and lacking in personal hygeine. I am not saying this is standard among those who are into this, but it is in my (little) world. I've seen more than a few animes, and have played some Japanese games...but I just don't get it. There's an emphasis on young girls in schoolgirl outfits, the most common phrases seem to be "I'll try my best" or even "....." For lack of better term, I guess the best word to describe my perception of the culture is "weird" and "fruity" Again, no disrespect to those who like it. I guess I am asking...what am I missing here? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Summerin1905 Posted March 30, 2016 #2 Share Posted March 30, 2016 your not missing anything its just like any hobby when your obsessed with your hobby it becomes a problem. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted March 30, 2016 #3 Share Posted March 30, 2016 There is a lot more to Japanese culture than Anime. Maybe you should change your thread title Fixation with Anime. You can do that by going into edit mode and clicking the "use full editor" button. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubblykiss Posted March 30, 2016 #4 Share Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) An entire other worldview and outlook on reality manifested through centuries of insular cultural evolution marked by periods of long standing isolation from the broader world experience of societies that has been scarred by atomic warfare and shaped by a quickly transforming technological society propelled by capitalistic forces that were traditionally scorned, that is also moving quickly into a higher-high state of being, this with the consideration that Japanese is a linguistic isolate with several substrata of politeness *levels* inherent in the construction of the language and a large population squeezed into a very small amount of habitable land has shaped the Japanese mindset to be a bit different from our Occidental experience. Or, it could be that they like things that they like. Either one of those is probably true. More after lunch Edited March 30, 2016 by bubblykiss 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmie Posted March 30, 2016 #5 Share Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) A few thoughts First, I have never been into Anime but when I was younger I was into Pokemon. Even now if I start looking at the cards in the store or watch an episode I am pulled in. I found my old Pokemon cards and the next thing I know I was digging out my old GameBoy and Pokemon games. The show South Park makes fun of this phenomenon, but I feel like there is something to it...it is weird... The other aspect is a little more disturbing...I find that it strongly objectifies women and goes a step further to domination and total disrespect of women. As most men have, I have looked through some porn in my time. I find Asian porn revolting. They are a bunch of rape fantasies or women being treated as objects...literally, like household furniture. Most of the times I can't tell if the girls are enjoying it or crying and I don't know if these girls are 12 or 22. Maybe that says something about what humans, or males, actually desire. Maybe it is not all bad. Different cultures are interesting. Asian cultures are very different from Western culture. I studied Western Culture so many things in Eastern Culture are new and interesting to me. But as far as the Anime and Asian games go, I have no idea... Edited March 30, 2016 by KevinGrimmie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlawde Posted March 30, 2016 Author #6 Share Posted March 30, 2016 An entire other worldview and outlook on reality manifested through centuries of insular cultural evolution marked by periods of long standing isolation from the broader world experience of societies that has been scarred by atomic warfare and shaped by a quickly transforming technological society propelled by capitalistic forces that were traditionally scorned, that is also moving quickly into a higher-high state of being, this with the consideration that Japanese is a linguistic isolate with several substrata of politeness *levels* inherent in the construction of the language and a large population squeezed into a very small amount of habitable land has shaped the Japanese mindset to be a bit different from our Occidental experience. Or, it could be that they like things that they like. Either one of those is probably true. More after lunch hahaha NOW I get it! I only mentioned Anime as one segment of the whole thing. In other words, anything Japanese-related is "cool". Don't see that with other countries/cultures like Germany, Sweden, Mexico etc etc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Visual Novel Posted March 30, 2016 #7 Share Posted March 30, 2016 None of you called for the resident weeb? I feel offended. I don't know why we're so obsessed with the Land of the Rising Sun. It's most likely it's entertainment sector, but I guess there might be more to it. Maybe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlawde Posted March 30, 2016 Author #8 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Weeb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmie Posted March 30, 2016 #9 Share Posted March 30, 2016 I would really like to hear a girl or women's opinion on these things. I feel like much of it is driven by men. Look at the show I used to watch...Pokemon...there was tons of sexuality and the chars are supposed to be like 11 or 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted March 30, 2016 #10 Share Posted March 30, 2016 There is a lot more to Japanese culture than Anime. Maybe you should change your thread title Fixation with Anime. You can do that by going into edit mode and clicking the "use full editor" button. From my experience with people like the OP describes they believe what they are immersing themselves in IS Japanese culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted March 30, 2016 #11 Share Posted March 30, 2016 I would really like to hear a girl or women's opinion on these things. I feel like much of it is driven by men. Look at the show I used to watch...Pokemon...there was tons of sexuality and the chars are supposed to be like 11 or 12. That's just how it is. I was in a relationship with a Japanese woman for 13 years, she used to rent video tapes of Japanese television and I would watch with her. One show was called the Stinger, it was a show where these two comedians would help you catch your significant other cheating and/or punish your significant other for doing something. On one episode this woman needed help punishing her husband for something so the woman and the comedians locked the husband in the house and then set a magazine stand up in front of the house and sold all his anime porn. This porn would have been illegal in the west because event though it was just drawings the subjects tended to be underage. The part that blew my mind was that the weird porn was not what the wife was mad about. Indeed you could hear the guy locked on the other side of the door complaining while all of their neighbors were coming over to buy this socially acceptable (child) porn. I was asking my girlfriend "Are you saying these comic books are not what he's in trouble for?" and her response was "it's just comic books". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmie Posted March 30, 2016 #12 Share Posted March 30, 2016 That's just how it is. I was in a relationship with a Japanese woman for 13 years, she used to rent video tapes of Japanese television and I would watch with her. One show was called the Stinger, it was a show where these two comedians would help you catch your significant other cheating and/or punish your significant other for doing something. On one episode this woman needed help punishing her husband for something so the woman and the comedians locked the husband in the house and then set a magazine stand up in front of the house and sold all his anime porn. This porn would have been illegal in the west because event though it was just drawings the subjects tended to be underage. The part that blew my mind was that the weird porn was not what the wife was mad about. Indeed you could hear the guy locked on the other side of the door complaining while all of their neighbors were coming over to buy this socially acceptable (child) porn. I was asking my girlfriend "Are you saying these comic books are not what he's in trouble for?" and her response was "it's just comic books". Interesting. I have always wondered if Western Culture, particularly American culture, tends to go against the grain of how people actually feel about certain things. Obviously over time it just becomes part of the culture. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer77 Posted March 30, 2016 #13 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Two words : Tentacle Porn .....google that **** it goes back centuries in japan..... where why how huh? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlawde Posted March 30, 2016 Author #14 Share Posted March 30, 2016 I'm also told they sell worn women's panties from vending machines.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skulduggery Posted March 31, 2016 #15 Share Posted March 31, 2016 I was into anime and manga during the late eighties and first year or two in the nineties and then it got old real fast. Still love Japanese culture, as a whole, though. During the late nineties, people I went to school with began liking anime, mostly because of pokemon. I thought this was incredibly lame. Lamer than all that had ever been lame previously. I was too far ahead of the curve to enjoy it. Weebs are all over the place and some are really great people but I do think it's about as fashionable as petrified feces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skulduggery Posted March 31, 2016 #16 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Two words : Tentacle Porn .....google that **** it goes back centuries in japan..... where why how huh? Yeah but even this has run its course. Been watching it since I was 9. Still waiting for something kinkier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted March 31, 2016 #17 Share Posted March 31, 2016 I kind of like the general morals in animes. It's normally like no matter how difficult something is if you are determined enough you will succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowSot Posted March 31, 2016 #18 Share Posted March 31, 2016 (edited) I have watched a variety of animal and read a variety of manga. Japan has less and more sexuality hangups than the US. Nudity isn't such a problem, but exposed genitalia... Some of it is pretty much as the op describes. Some of it is actually really good. My favorite was a medical drama, none of the weird sexuality fetish stuff people seem to get drawn. As far as treatment of women... most of the stuff I read was from the 80s. It varies, but I wouldn't place it was much worse than how women tend to get treated in western media around the same time. Anime/manga is a vast collection of works. They range all over the scale in quality and values represented there in. And what gets brought over here is a subset of that. Same with the porn, for that matter. Although, women still aren't on the same level men are over here. Still very much expected to be subservient, from what I understand. Though I've never been there. Edited March 31, 2016 by shadowsot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted March 31, 2016 #19 Share Posted March 31, 2016 In terms of Anime , it is what it is ... cartoons ... graphic and drawings and that is ALL that it is whatever the content or subject In terms of Japanese , you'll have to understand Shinto and Seppuku ... In the Hagakure, Yamamoto Tsunetomo wrote: From ages past it has been considered an ill-omen by samurai to be requested as kaishaku. The reason for this is that one gains no fame even if the job is well done. Further, if one should blunder, it becomes a lifetime disgrace. In the practice of past times, there were instances when the head flew off. It was said that it was best to cut leaving a little skin remaining so that it did not fly off in the direction of the verifying officials. wiki link ~ To me it is simply a factor not unrelated to Base Jumping or Bungee Jumping though Culturally it is as wide apart as Disney and Anime ~ ~ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubblykiss Posted March 31, 2016 #20 Share Posted March 31, 2016 (edited) Ok lunch done and not entirely drunk so I will add a bit more. As for the panty machines...yes those did exist. I believe they are gone, but now you can get fresh lobster from vending machines as well......... As for understanding anime, just ask them. I like seinen (targeted at an adult male demographic comics *manga* and cartoons *anime* from the English animation....mind blown yet?) because each different one is entirely and wholly different. Elfen Lied....Elf Song in German....is on e of my favorites. It is a story involving rage, memories, regrets, unrequited loves, smoldering passions, fear, genocide, police states run amok, humanity being replaced by the next step in evolution and reacting to the sure and terrible knowledge of its own demise and all underscored by a mesmerizing sound track including a theme sung in Latin.......including the line "Warmth, love, joy. You had everything good taken away from you and I was the one who took it" is spoken by a father to his daughter who was locked away and isolated for her entire life just before the bombs surgically implanted in her body detonate, ensuring that she does not infect humanity with the genes of evolution's next steps...... ....is one way to describe the show. Another would be it is a about physic girls with horns shaped a bit like dog-ears who use invisible arms to murder people with horrifically gory results....think if Kill Bill were rated G......this wold be an R show.....and strangely the women all tend to have their clothing ripped off constantly and for no seemingly good reason. There are many ways to look at anime. Just remember, it is not all kids stuff. https://en.wikipedia...wiki/Elfen_Lied https://en.wikipedia...ki/Gustav_Klimt https://en.wikipedia...ki/Seinen_manga Here is the theme song, warning it contains cartoon boobies painted to resemble the works of Klimt Edited March 31, 2016 by bubblykiss 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabby Kitten Posted March 31, 2016 #21 Share Posted March 31, 2016 I like Japanese culture because its clean and pretty. I'm not obsessed with it though. Their architecture, gardens, history, holidays and folk tales are magical and lovely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Paranormalcy Posted March 31, 2016 #23 Share Posted March 31, 2016 I've found my cousins here in Oklahoma were into some of the more "blunt" stuff like Dragonball but then got into the anime stuff, because there was an emotional attachment, even though all my cousins are straight guys - they get into it like people get into soap operas and I don't know what people get into - game of thrones or house of cards or whatever. They develop an emotional investment, a real connection (they feel) with characters, they can identify somehow with one or more characters and their internal struggles and interpersonal issues that arise. I myself am not into it so while I can see that, and they've told me that, I don't get that connection to anime stuff so I can't comphrend it on that level. It seems to let people have a "safe" expression and experience of essentially limiltless emotional freedom, to work through things on their own and see an analog on screen, as they go through a self-individuation process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TempesT89 Posted April 2, 2016 #24 Share Posted April 2, 2016 (edited) so called japanese culture is misunderstood in the west. social norms are completely upside down different in japan (examples: better to lie and be nice than be rude and honest including to friends, never give straightforward answer even when firing someone, better to never try new stuff than fail once, successful personal "asexual" public image is most important) besides that japanese society although being very modern technological one is ruled by men with views identical to 1950s in USA. anime is for kids in japan. there is anime/manga for mature audience thats popular but no adult will admit to watching it. its done in secret. manga authors are not celebrated or respected much. "japanese phenomena" we see in USA is associated in japan with 8 graders and creepy adult collectors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawaii and sushi because who doesn't like sushi Edited April 2, 2016 by TempesT89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted April 2, 2016 #25 Share Posted April 2, 2016 When I was growing up it was only the Classic Superstition and Horror Manga that was prevalent ... but oh what creepy and eerie stuff they offered ... makes Evil Dead no more than a kitschy romp ~ ~ Masters of Horror Manga Kazuo Umezu and Hideshi Hino by Oliver Ho 19 November 2009 ` popmatters link ` 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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