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As A Christian, When Is It Ok to Fight/Kill?


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#31    pallidin

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 01:46 AM

View PostBling, on 23 October 2012 - 08:31 PM, said:

I'm an atheist, I can kill anyone.....

Well, that would not be good. I have a "friend" in the High Desert State Prison in California that probably wishes he had not taken a life. 50-life is his sentence.


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Posted 25 October 2012 - 04:03 AM

It is ok to fight if the problem is worth fighting for.. But NOT TO KILL! christians didnt do that things we should not let ourselves be one of the unbelievers that was doing that kinda things :)

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 04:14 AM

Just do what the crusades did just run around and try to kill everybody non-christian, or you could do the witch burning thing first call them a witch then burn them at the stake.

In all seriousness I think he was trying to say is don't act out in vengeance when people do awful things to you not actually saying hey let that guy beat you senseless. Defend yourself but don't go out on a murderous revenge rampage after the fact. Do the whole call the cops or whatever the normal way is to do that stuff. (My version is reload pretty sure it's not normal but meh)


The whole thou shall not kill thing they really need to change it to murder to avoid confusion since later on in the bible it tells you about murders and manslaughters.


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Posted 25 October 2012 - 09:26 AM

View PostEtu Malku, on 25 October 2012 - 01:17 AM, said:

Family man or not, it is not a very Christian thing not to

I don't think he gives a rap.. do you ? Name me a single Christian that follow the bible to the very letter ?


If this Christian man  was to stand back and allow his family members to be killed..and he does nothing... How many will blast him for it ?  I know quite a few  that would slam  him..  
There would be a lot of - How could he posts ?   OHH and a bunch of  - >  Typical  religion allowing their loved ones to die, strikes again...  ..Ohh you betcha  many will love to get at any Christian for doing just that

Edited by Beckys_Mom, 25 October 2012 - 09:28 AM.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 01:17 PM

View PostEtu Malku, on 25 October 2012 - 01:17 AM, said:

Family man or not, it is not a very Christian thing not to "turn the other cheek", which always makes me laugh about Christians and most other religions, they only use what is good for them and disregard the rest . . . so much for scripture!

Am I a great Christian? Do I follow all the rules? Nope. Doesn't mean I don't try, but I'm human like everybody else. I screw up. Thing is, I can ask for forgiveness. In the heat of the moment, you don't really think about that though, sometimes there comes a point where all you do is react, it's almost involuntary. With some things in life, as a man, you've also got to take a stand even if it goes against your core beliefs. Jesus did that to those who were desecrating holy ground. I can almost guarantee you that if He saw someone beating a child, He'd drop them too, either that or temporarily paralyze them. That said, JC was 6'3, and a carpenter, I wouldn't really want to be on the receiving end of divine right hook.

Edited by WoIverine, 25 October 2012 - 02:13 PM.


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Posted 25 October 2012 - 09:31 PM

View Postpallidin, on 25 October 2012 - 01:46 AM, said:

Well, that would not be good. I have a "friend" in the High Desert State Prison in California that probably wishes he had not taken a life. 50-life is his sentence.

Yeah I was joking :P


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Posted 26 October 2012 - 12:13 AM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 25 October 2012 - 09:26 AM, said:

I don't think he gives a rap.. do you ? Name me a single Christian that follow the bible to the very letter ?


If this Christian man  was to stand back and allow his family members to be killed..and he does nothing... How many will blast him for it ?  I know quite a few  that would slam  him..  
There would be a lot of - How could he posts ?   OHH and a bunch of  - >  Typical  religion allowing their loved ones to die, strikes again...  ..Ohh you betcha  many will love to get at any Christian for doing just that
Then he's following his own bastardized version of the Gospels then, isn't he?

Wait a minute . . . isn't that exactly what Constantine did when he edited all the Gospels into what HE considered Christianity? :innocent:

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 12:17 AM

View PostEtu Malku, on 26 October 2012 - 12:13 AM, said:

Then he's following his own bastardized version of the Gospels then, isn't he?

Wait a minute . . . isn't that exactly what Constantine did when he edited all the Gospels into what HE considered Christianity? :innocent:

Well if you want to find someone who follows every rule in the Bible, good luck. Even if you manage to agree on a version, it contradicts itself so many times it's impossible.

'Good' is not the same as 'nice'.
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Posted 26 October 2012 - 12:33 AM

View PostEtu Malku, on 26 October 2012 - 12:13 AM, said:

Then he's following his own bastardized version of the Gospels then, isn't he?

Wait a minute . . . isn't that exactly what Constantine did when he edited all the Gospels into what HE considered Christianity? :innocent:

Last I checked I didn't judge your "luiciferian" belief system. As a fellow human being, I have shown you that respect. It actually wouldn't surprise me if you're unable to do the same.


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Posted 26 October 2012 - 01:45 PM

View PostEtu Malku, on 26 October 2012 - 12:13 AM, said:

Then he's following his own bastardized version of the Gospels then, isn't he?

In English that is  ?

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 10:12 PM

View PostWoIverine, on 26 October 2012 - 12:33 AM, said:

Last I checked I didn't judge your "luiciferian" belief system. As a fellow human being, I have shown you that respect. It actually wouldn't surprise me if you're unable to do the same.
You wouldn't understand it (Luciferianism) enough to judge or criticize, but that's besides the point.
I do respect others beliefs, but it is true what I have said, if there exists scripture that one is to follow and to abide by, then that is what enables someone to adhere to that belief system, otherwise it's just your version of the original beliefs.

I apologize if I came across crass towards your religious beliefs.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 10:52 PM

it's never okay, although (sadly) sometimes necessary.


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Posted 27 October 2012 - 04:21 PM

When I was a kid the nun in my religion class once said that if you kill someone in self defence you won't go to hell ..

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 11:19 AM

View PostEtu Malku, on 22 October 2012 - 10:55 PM, said:

Any evidence to back these statements up? Christ, there isn't even any evidence that some Jesus dude even existed!
In which case there isn't any evidence that any god dude existed, or ordered all those deaths you just attributed to him either. :devil:

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Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 11:42 AM

My thoughts. Christ divided the world, and life, into the spiritual and temporal. Personally for fairly obvious reasons in the christ narative, he placed a higher emphasis on the spiritual, but he also recognised this was not the case for most humans.

He also taught about how to behave and to treat people on this earth, in this life.  A person deciding on this issue has to decide which aspect of christ to prioritise and which to minimise. We can't use christ's surrender to the authorities as a good example because he had to surrender. That was his choice and purpose and necessary to fulfil his destiny.

It also depends on whether you believe in free wil or destiny whehter we can alter one future for a different one by the choices we make.

For example if I know that i cna make a differnce and save a persons life then i will act to do so. But if i believe it is their destiny to die then why should i bother. As a person who knows we have free will I also know that god intends us to have the capacity to act for good and for evil. Sometimes killing prevents a greater evil or destructive outcome. Sometimes failure to kill ensures greater suffering and destruction This was gods rationale with the flood and with the destruction of soddom and gommorah in the bible narratives about god. That god  would expect us to think as clearly and logically as he did in those scenarios, and to act in a similar logic.

Actiing to good intent does not condemn a person. God judges our hearts and minds not our deeds and actions. We must do on earth what we can, in good conscience, to make the earth a better place. That is why murder is condemned in the old testament but lawful kiling is not.

If all killing was condemned then no lawmakers and guardians of the law would be able to pass death sentences or kill people. No one would be able to defend them selves individually or as a nation. There is no evidence in the old testamen ttha t this was the case. Quite the contrary, and christ really makes no case to alter the old laws or commandments. He comes to fulfill them not to remove them .

And so christ admonished people to render unto caesar that which was caesar's, or to obey the laws of the land in all civil matters. Only in the spiritual, do gods laws overide caesars. Life on earth and death is not a  spiritual priority for christ. The spiritual priority in christs teachings come after this life although we are asked to live our life on earth as close to how we might live in heaven as is practicable.

I can empathise with a person who choses to interpret christ's teachings as absolute pacifism and surrender of this life, when required, rather than resisting death, and yet christ healed the sick and raised the dead; hardly the acts of a person who did not value life on this earth.  If life on this earth has value, then we have a duty to protect it, and if that requires taking life to protect a greater number of lives or those of innocents, then i cant see christ arguing with that.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.




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