Why does God seem so distant?

[Tehuti]

Why do you think God seem so distant? A mystery, why doesn't he make it easy to understand or see him? As a whole (people).

[Cadetak]

Why do you think God seem so distant? A mystery, why doesn't he make it easy to understand or see him? As a whole (people).

Because that would be too easy. He wants us to find him through our own strength. Its a test of sorts, if your teacher gave you the answers before the test then you would have learned nothing and the test(life) would have bin pointless. Is it better to be given the answers to your history exam or too find them on your own? Your teacher only guides you in learning.

I'm not religious but I think this is how it may work...or atleast the way I would have done it.

[Omnaka]

I agree with Cetadeck, and would also add , That because we are all sons of God heavenly Father and mother and they are arround all the time , and we as children of the most high, don't allways act like we think children of the most high should act,(like bro Jesus) we would just melt at the presence of the one we all say we adore and love and it would be a scary moment instead of the greatest , so God , Heavenly Father and Mother Wait for when we are in dire need or expressing pure devotion, or excitement , then because it truly is our will to know them they make them selves known , through miracles , big and small, When it happens , one knows it is god looking out for them.

Love Omnaka

[Fluffybunny]

Perhaps because god is a myth? It explains a lot...

[truethat]

Because he's not there? How far back do you need to go to not be there at all?

[rixtar]

Maybe it's as simple as God is here with us right now, instantly available, if you're open to it. My understanding is that the human ego resists God, not that God tries to hide from us.

[rixtar]

Because he's not there? How far back do you need to go to not be there at all?

Yep there's that human ego at work again

Edited December 30, 2006 by rixtar

[Fluffybunny]

Yep there's that human ego at work again

I thought god created man, and mans' ego?

[rixtar]

I thought god created man, and mans' ego?

Of course you would be right with that, but part of the deal is that we got free will. We can choose to believe or to not believe, that is our right, but in not believing we so limit ourselves in this life. And the truth will become apparant no matter what we choose to believe in this life, anyway.

[truethat]

Yep I sure agree to that. I bet the believers in Zeus and Ra were absolutely certain that one day the whole world would come to realize the power and might of their gods.

[Cadetak]

Well I'm not going to get into a debate on the existence of God on this one but I will say that there are a lot of things in this world that cannot be seen, heared, touched, or smelled. When your senses of are no use to you, your mind and heart will lead you.

[Dezmond]

Perhaps because god is a myth? It explains a lot...

Yup it sure does.

[Snarky Pants]

I believe in my heart that God is as close as the individual wants him/her to be.

[Omnaka]

Yup it sure does.

That explaines nothing , but if it does to you that again is youre free will , and if it makes you feel better, or answers the question for you, I'm sorry .

Seek and you will find, Thats a promise From My Father and Mother, God.

I have looked My whole life , and have gotten signs From God , and in the last half of this life , Before I became spiritually dead, Father and Mother of My eternal spirit, Have revealed them selves to me and They are the most amazing Parents a boy could ever Hope for, The most loving and understanding, and because The spirit is everlasting,The pain and suffering They have seen me and you Go through, is nothing compared to the eternal life we have after this life,

God, Mom and Dad, Love us unconditionally , No matter what choices we make, and will send us back as many times as we need to experience, experience.

Just sAYIng God does not exist is a simple way to not have to search your own heart, for answers not readily available to You and your children, and ia a cop out IMO.

Again Free will, and if this is your will, Know Your will is God's will and you will not see , or Hear from the one who created this thing Called eternal spirit/ Life, For that is what you want.

Love Omnaka

[SoulSlayer]

Why do you think God seem so distant? A mystery, why doesn't he make it easy to understand or see him? As a whole (people).

It would be easy if we were not clouted with sin...you see God is perfect and we are not therfore we cannot easily see or understand what is perfect...

[SoulSlayer]

I thought god created man, and mans' ego?

Man+Sin=Man's Ego

[GoddessWhispers]

To address the OT: Why does god seem so distant?

Because for eons human kind has accepted the notion that to be here means they were put here, by something not. And ever since, they've been looking for it, everywhere they go. Everywhere, but in their own selves. Because they're told that's selfish. But life is so, and so people fight who they are on one side, hoping to be better than selfish, which is the counter opposite; holding belief in something other.

People will always need to believe, as long as they think there is a special difference for their being alive. People shall always need be saved if they believe they need hold allegiance in something like themselves, but better, will make them more than they are led to believe they are.

"Religion, n. A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance the nature of the Unknowable."

(Ambrose Gwinett Bierce / 1842-1914 / The Devil's Dictionary)

[Caana]

The conceptual thing is distant, because it does'nt really exist. No matter how much you may talk of it, or believe it to be real.

The whole thing is kind of like a toddler, all those religious wars are caused because the toddler can't except what he believe's in, is'nt real.

So has a tantrum, and try's to force others to believe him, and those who laugh at him, he try's to destroy.

The concept of a god is destroying humanity. How foolish do you think we look to our galactic nieghbors?{the human one's} Who except themselves as who and what they are, and move on. The religious put that distance there, because they refuse to believe in themselves, refuse to believe that they are not special as the human beings they are.

You can get rid of the distance by getting rid of the belief, and centering yourself on you.

[GoddessWhispers]

And to, it's about power. The clergy or those intermediaries that are believed necessary to join man to god, are empowered over the believers. Imparting a spiritual dictatorship by word of mouth. Either through scripture on a page, or that and a clerical other "father" , that is that Shepard in the sheep analogy.

The morality that keeps people in line and that is governed by a higher council, is all based on some imaginary morality, that imparts we must work for the highest good, even though we're less than worthy. When one's sense of self-esteem is blighted, they give great power to those they entrust to lead them to feel better about who they are.

Just look at the "Self-Help" book market today. Billions of dollars in sales of books, tapes and lecture how to's. Then compare those sales to that of holy books. And then learn that books on Atheism are skyrocketing , compared to just 4 years ago.

I think it's a sign that people are finding they need trust something more in themselves, than some disembodied authoritarian power that expects complete allegiance but deems to return the favor, never. Until later, if one earns it while alive. And then only a select few chosen ones at that.

If anything , especially after 911, I think people are learning what divisiveness in cultures can do to living in peace as a unique person within a culture. How can anyone be proud of their diversity and then kill other people for being different!? Which is not acceptable!

So the populace that's moving to many neo-pagan faiths, or Atheism, even Agnostics are experiencing a change in populace. (stats being what their worth in salt)

Maybe , optimistically speaking, we've always been on our way to learning more than believing in god. For there have been Atheists far longer than believers. And if that consciousness is there it must come from some Gnosis, worthy of respect. Just as believers believe theirs is worthy and different in itself, when they choose to believe as they do. Religion says selfishness is a sin, but religion is all about the ego. Imagining some of us can write rules for how all of us live, create a faith and call it inspired.

[Caana]

Thank you.

[Omnaka]

Believing in God , Our heavenly parents, is more than religion will ever admit, it is believing in spirit, the spark that keeps these bodies running so sincronistically, We are born everlasting spirits, This means the bodies are only temporary, we as everlasting spirits are sent down and put in these temporal bodies so we can experience the Spirit within the body and we are sent down time and time again, God is not a figment of anyones imagination, I speak to Father and Mother all the time , Easier than I can type,

You are correct in that the major religions use their doctrins to keep the masses in line, but these are a sad rip off of the unconditional Love of our heavenly Parents , Father and The Holy Spirit , Our Mother , Father's wife.

We were created from the love of These two spirits who Make one God together in love, The love is what makes The spirit children , you and I, and it is us who continue this thing called life in to infinity,

There have been 30 worlds given away to sons from this world , who have graduated this world with love and Honors, Meaning their spirit has been Experienced, and as a gift from our Father have been given a world to create as they wish.

After this world comes to an end you will be chosen and will choose to incarnate on one of these worlds to incarnate and finish experiencing your spirit.

Father and Mother are Real but if it satisfies to think they aren't Then You wont Be hearing from them, Freewill.

The agnostics are cool because they just don't know , And won't go out of their way to blaspheme God Not Knowing , in essence throwing out the baby with the bathwater'.Their Idea of God does not jive with the Hatred and fear that the major religions push down our throat, God does not live in a book, God listens and is happy when we are and sad when we are .And will do anything we ask to try to give us the enlightenment we are looking For.

Sometimes You must see and do bad in order to understand and feel Good, We are breeding Up and better as the Good god race, The next world will be even better than this one.

If you took all the bad out of every religion in the world, you would end up with love, this Is My Heavenly Family's religion, and Mine too ,

Seek with your Heart and you will find and develop a personal Loving relationship with The one who created your spirit From , By and Of Love.

Don't seek and you will not Find, it is as simple as that

It is understandableif many don't believe me, But any amount of unbelief Does not Make Iam what iam is not, And that is a real tangable Loving everlasting Father and Mother, and we are a product of their love .

Love Omnaka

P.S.- Goddess , Why is that ol lady kicking an innocent Baby? Shock value???????????-O.

Edited December 31, 2006 by Omnaka

[demonic presence]

Why do you think God seem so distant? A mystery, why doesn't he make it easy to understand or see him? As a whole (people).

Well, according to most people, he makes it difficult to understand or see him because he wants people to have faith in him so he cant reveal himself or it wouldnt be faith now would it?

[Omnaka]

Believing in God , Our heavenly parents, is more than religion will ever admit, it is believing in spirit, the spark that keeps these bodies running so sincronistically, We are born everlasting spirits, This means the bodies are only temporary, we as everlasting spirits are sent down and put in these temporal bodies so we can experience the Spirit within the body and we are sent down time and time again, God is not a figment of anyones imagination, I speak to Father and Mother all the time , Easier than I can type,

You are correct in that the major religions use their doctrins to keep the masses in line, but these are a sad rip off of the unconditional Love of our heavenly Parents , Father and The Holy Spirit , Our Mother , Father's wife.

We were created from the love of These two spirits who Make one God together in love, The love is what makes The spirit children , you and I, and it is us who continue this thing called life in to infinity,

There have been 30 worlds given away to sons from this world , who have graduated this world with love and Honors, Meaning their spirit has been Experienced, and as a gift from our Father have been given a world to create as they wish.

After this world comes to an end you will be chosen and will choose to incarnate on one of these worlds to incarnate and finish experiencing your spirit.

Father and Mother are Real but if it satisfies to think they aren't Then You wont Be hearing from them, Freewill.

The agnostics are cool because they just don't know , And won't go out of their way to blaspheme God Not Knowing , in essence throwing out the baby with the bathwater'.Their Idea of God does not jive with the Hatred and fear that the major religions push down our throat, God does not live in a book, God listens and is happy when we are and sad when we are .And will do anything we ask to try to give us the enlightenment we are looking For.

Sometimes You must see and do bad in order to understand and feel Good, We are breeding Up and better as the Good god race, The next world will be even better than this one.

If you took all the bad out of every religion in the world, you would end up with love, this Is My Heavenly Family's religion, and Mine too ,

Seek with your Heart and you will find and develop a personal Loving relationship with The one who created your spirit From , By and Of Love.

Don't seek and you will not Find, it is as simple as that

It is understandableif many don't believe me, But any amount of unbelief Does not Make Iam what iam is not, And that is a real tangable Loving everlasting Father and Mother, and we are a product of their love .

Love Omnaka

Ps- Goddess why is that lady kicking an innocent Baby? Shock Value????.

O-

[Caana]

Believing in God , Our heavenly parents, is more than religion will ever admit, it is believing in spirit, the spark that keeps these bodies running so sincronistically, We are born everlasting spirits, This means the bodies are only temporary, we as everlasting spirits are sent down and put in these temporal bodies so we can experience the Spirit within the body and we are sent down time and time again, God is not a figment of anyones imagination, I speak to Father and Mother all the time , Easier than I can type,

You are correct in that the major religions use their doctrins to keep the masses in line, but these are a sad rip off of the unconditional Love of our heavenly Parents , Father and The Holy Spirit , Our Mother , Father's wife.

We were created from the love of These two spirits who Make one God together in love, The love is what makes The spirit children , you and I, and it is us who continue this thing called life in to infinity,

There have been 30 worlds given away to sons from this world , who have graduated this world with love and Honors, Meaning their spirit has been Experienced, and as a gift from our Father have been given a world to create as they wish.

After this world comes to an end you will be chosen and will choose to incarnate on one of these worlds to incarnate and finish experiencing your spirit.

Father and Mother are Real but if it satisfies to think they aren't Then You wont Be hearing from them, Freewill.

The agnostics are cool because they just don't know , And won't go out of their way to blaspheme God Not Knowing , in essence throwing out the baby with the bathwater'.Their Idea of God does not jive with the Hatred and fear that the major religions push down our throat, God does not live in a book, God listens and is happy when we are and sad when we are .And will do anything we ask to try to give us the enlightenment we are looking For.

Sometimes You must see and do bad in order to understand and feel Good, We are breeding Up and better as the Good god race, The next world will be even better than this one.

If you took all the bad out of every religion in the world, you would end up with love, this Is My Heavenly Family's religion, and Mine too ,

Seek with your Heart and you will find and develop a personal Loving relationship with The one who created your spirit From , By and Of Love.

Don't seek and you will not Find, it is as simple as that

It is understandableif many don't believe me, But any amount of unbelief Does not Make Iam what iam is not, And that is a real tangable Loving everlasting Father and Mother, and we are a product of their love .

Love Omnaka

P.S.- Goddess , Why is that ol lady kicking an innocent Baby? Shock value???????????-O.

I understand what your saying about love, it's the only thing of value here, however distilled and weak it has become, with the religious and their views on what love should be, and their enforcing their views through the laws they make, and control here in the states with their goverment. I also know what you are saying about your communicating is more convulated when you have to write about it.

I wrote this before, but i'll do it again.

I was at home,and had just been through scanning events that happened somewhere else{memory flashs} I was feeling depressed and caged in, from the info i had gleaned, as it all had to do with the history of lies and pain a world ruled by religion is.

It was odd, as they rarely speak directly to me anymore, while within a scenario. The voice said to me; look to the west our young friend. I was already by my westerly window, so i looked out of it towards the west. The voice said; not quite. I shifted my gaze to where the sun sets. The voice said; not that far. At that point i said aloud, i told you not to pock with me like this. No response.

The thought and urge to visit my mum, who live's in another apartment struck me. I went outside and walked to her front door and stopped. I hesitated, and took a step towards the road. I thought about the voice, and walked to the edge of the road and looked towards the west again. Movement caught my eye and i was looking at a bunch of little one's getting done with a holiday parade. The voice said; what is their message? i started to speak within my mind to the voice and said; You and i both know what their message is, a crock.

The voice replied; Not the beliefs and faiths, the message. I said; peace and goodwill. And i felt a comforting presence, which i rejected, and spat within my mind; After all you things have put me through, you can just pock of as always{the memory flashs are loaded with the emotions that go with them} Their reply was; We are sorry, that is all done. There is tons more from the last five years here. They do stuff like i just wrote, everytime the thought of being insane crossed my mind. To let me know there is no way out of their own insanity, and when i think that, they make efforts to let me know that i will escape.

If you've ever read any of my other topics, other then terminology and viewpoints, yours is similiar. The reason why i don't use your terminology, or share your viewpoint, is because i've already been forced through that. It is a path designed to give great pain{lots of filthy aliens} The one's you call father and mother in regards to spirituality, are just another facet of the many snare traps within this illusion. Been there and done that, even though you and your people are not my kind of human. You are giants compared to my own people, and far weaker, in body,mind and voice, in that you can't generate or control the energy that is your mind, which in turn can't exist without your body, which in turn has been designed to keep you from what i speak of. Voice is far weaker here, as it depends on your mind, both physical and mental.

Anyway, thats why i agree that love is the only thing worth mentioning about this place, as it's also my ticket out of here.

[brave_new_world]

God is the self.....To get all the answers about the universe from god you must become god. Jesus, buddha, muhammed and krishna all taught this path. When one purges away the ego that gives the illusion of separateness one becomes god himself and then there is no questions to ask god because god(yourself) knows all answers.

Edited December 31, 2006 by brave_new_world