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#1    Ashotep

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 06:18 PM

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A Rhawnhurst, Pennsylvania couple on probation for the 2009 death of their toddler son from pneumonia is accused of letting a second child die of a treatable illness, opting to pray rather than take the child to a doctor. According to the Associated Press, Herbert and Catherine Schaible are fundamentalist Christians who are accused of allowing their 8-month-old son Brandon to die after days of diarrhea and breathing problems because they believed that God would heal him.

Family who chose prayer over medicine loses second child

I think if you have a sick child pray if you want but take them to the doctor.  This is child abuse and neglect, murder really and I'm glad they are losing their other kids and hope they go to jail for a long long time.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 06:20 PM

So if it didn't work the first time...

Exploring your own consciousness is the fundamental right of every individual

Locking people in a cage because they choose to exercise that right should be considered a crime against humanity


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 06:25 PM

They need shot...


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 06:38 PM

I'm sure when they are sent to prison and someone knifes them they will be all for just being prayed over instead of going to the doctor.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 07:10 PM

In todays times its baffling how some people still believe that "god" will save their child, he never did it in the past and I can`t see why he would do it now....actually I do see why, because here is the proof of his non existence, but I can hear the God worshippers saying it now "but its his way and it was meant to be".Posted Image

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 07:17 PM

Gese people... As misguided as their actions are, they are not monsters. They didn't want to have their children die, they just bought into the bull****. I could not throw them into jail or shoot them.... But takeing their other kids away from them seems prudent.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 07:30 PM

Have to agree with Seeker here, these people are not monsters. A bit of coaxing them into the 21st century would be the best option, but can`t see them accepting that. BUT there are many like them out there, so what do we do, take away their children just incase ? because exactly the same thing could happen to them too.

Its their belief and a very unfortunate event happened down to it........looking back through history and what happens today, it seems the religion and god thing has been proven to have a very very dark side.

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 07:34 PM

I really would question a parent that willingly sits there and lets their child die when help is a phone call away.
I mean, didn't it EVER occur to them, even in the slightest, that maybe they should seek real help? Didn't their parenting 'instinct' urge them to take real action?

This was the second child of theirs do die...but when you look at them they really do not look like they are on planet reality.
I really do not have any sympathy for these people. Pray over your own selves if you want but when you have kids, you have a real responsibility. Even herbal medicine books have very easy recipes to help alleviate diarrhea.
But in the end it is not the religion so much as it is the stupid parents who followed along like brainless cattle. One would think they had learned their lesson, one would think they would have done something so it wouldn't happen again.

But...no one was thinking, certainly not the parents. Once again society failed the child by letting religion take precedence over reality. These people did NOTHING! Not even so much as a herbal tea or a vaporizer to help ease the breathing...nothing. They just sat on their hands and 'prayed'. Didn't do their first child any good so why would they passively think it will help another.

This sort of stuff makes me puke.


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Posted 23 April 2013 - 07:54 PM

Watch a documentary about the Tsunami and there was a group of people who were adamant it was gods doing because the village people had sinned. When religion does this to peoples brains you have got to wonder what can really be done for people like this.
You do not have to look far to see the dangers religion can do.......it happens all over the world, be it parents believing god will save their child, of people believing if they commit suicide by killing a load of innocent people that they will go to 72 virgins, how about all the wars down to religion, all the lives which have been lost because of it...here in this story, are 2 more.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 08:18 PM

View PostSeeker79, on 23 April 2013 - 07:17 PM, said:

Gese people... As misguided as their actions are, they are not monsters. They didn't want to have their children die, they just bought into the bull****. I could not throw them into jail or shoot them.... But takeing their other kids away from them seems prudent.

It's really not so crazy my ex brother-in-law has high blood pressure and he decided to quit taking his meds, the reason he gave when he almost died was he had 'g-d'. Surprise, surprise after 16 days in the hospital and a stroke later(which has left him debilitated, he can't read anymore- or comprehend things- he lost a lot of his memories- and he has had to re-learn so many things. ) he takes his meds now (he is college educated too.)  I suggested doing both take the meds and pray as a back up plan.

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 08:22 PM

View PostHilander, on 23 April 2013 - 06:38 PM, said:

I'm sure when they are sent to prison and someone knifes them they will be all for just being prayed over instead of going to the doctor.
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 10:19 PM

View Postshrooma, on 23 April 2013 - 08:22 PM, said:

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no such thing as an atheist who's being gang-raped in a 6x9 cell.....
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Your probably right about that.


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Posted 24 April 2013 - 04:37 AM

View PostRyu, on 23 April 2013 - 07:34 PM, said:

I really would question a parent that willingly sits there and lets their child die when help is a phone call away.
I mean, didn't it EVER occur to them, even in the slightest, that maybe they should seek real help? Didn't their parenting 'instinct' urge them to take real action?

This was the second child of theirs do die...but when you look at them they really do not look like they are on planet reality.
I really do not have any sympathy for these people. Pray over your own selves if you want but when you have kids, you have a real responsibility. Even herbal medicine books have very easy recipes to help alleviate diarrhea.
But in the end it is not the religion so much as it is the stupid parents who followed along like brainless cattle. One would think they had learned their lesson, one would think they would have done something so it wouldn't happen again.

But...no one was thinking, certainly not the parents. Once again society failed the child by letting religion take precedence over reality. These people did NOTHING! Not even so much as a herbal tea or a vaporizer to help ease the breathing...nothing. They just sat on their hands and 'prayed'. Didn't do their first child any good so why would they passively think it will help another.

This sort of stuff makes me puke.
Keep pukeing... Because its not going to stop. Unfortunately if you want to live in a free society, you have to deal with the unpleasant elements. The things that make the world better are your own choices.

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 05:04 AM

View PostSeeker79, on 24 April 2013 - 04:37 AM, said:

Keep pukeing... Because its not going to stop. Unfortunately if you want to live in a free society, you have to deal with the unpleasant elements. The things that make the world better are your own choices.

So the children lose the freedom to live for the parents freedom to be stupid...  :angry:

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 06:03 AM

View PostHilander, on 23 April 2013 - 06:38 PM, said:

I'm sure when they are sent to prison and someone knifes them they will be all for just being prayed over instead of going to the doctor.

There is a balance and even if not all will see it something tells me that when you change the way you feel about wanting to see others harmed, then these parents will also change the way they feel about mistrusting modern society and science.





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