German neo-Nazi party considers launching own

[Mars]

Long live Freedom of speech and political partys.

German neo-Nazi party considers launching own bank

19 October 2007

Berlin (AFP) - Several German banks have closed accounts belonging to the neo-Nazi NPD party, public television reported Thursday, leading the outfit to consider launching its own financial institution.

ARD television said several independent banks had stopped or planned to stop doing business with the party, which is represented in two state legislatures but not in the federal parliament.

The Federal Association of Savings and Loans said its members should not facilitate the party's financial dealings by managing accounts for earnings from NPD merchandise with far-right slogans and from a party magazine.

"The Association recommends its banks not to open accounts for radical right-wing groups and to close existing accounts," its spokesman, Kirsten Bradtmoeller, told ARD's Report Mainz programme.

"We say that every account for a radical rightist group is one too many."

A previous report on the programme on October 8 cited in particular Postbank, a privatised financial institution linked to the postal service, for operating several "brown" accounts.

ARD quoted the group as saying that it had now cut all its financial ties with the party.

On the party's website, NPD general secretary Peter Marx said that the party would soon have no other choice but to "create its own bank".

He said that an NPD financial institution could manage all the party's dealings and those of its sympathisers.

"Some investors have already expressed interest," Marx told the centre-left daily Berliner Zeitung.

The NPD was formed in the 1960s and runs on a right-wing extremist, anti-immigration platform.

The centre-left government of former chancellor Gerhard Schroeder attempted to ban the party in 2002.

But the country's highest court ruled the next year that the bid was unconstitutional because authorities had infiltrated the NPD leadership.

AFP

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[ships-cat]

If I understand this corretly, we have an unelected "trades union" trying to influence the private banking community into withdrawing financial services from a legal political party.

Am I the only one detecting an assault on democracy here ? The Federal Association of Savings and Loans is unelected (at least, by the German citizens... it is a Trade Association) , and yet it is seeking to restrict the activities of a legal political party ?

If they succeed, then they create a precedence whereby the NDP can create a bank that denies access to Jewish or Black people. A "VolksBank".

Is this really what we want ?

Well done liberalls.. another own goal.

Meow Purr.

[questionmark]

"VolksBank".

Already exists, but it is a Credit Union type establishment where Jews, Black and so on are admitted. In fact, when I lived in Germany the Branch manager of the Volksbank I used to have my account at was born in Luanda, Africa and pretty black.

But let me see this in another way: Is a banking establishment not authorized to choose whom they want as customer?

[Mars]

The Switzerland Nationalist party known as the SVP has swept elections in Switzerland it seems.

Should European nations preserve their own culture and refuse massive third world immigration? Now, nations like Syria do this openly. Just recently Syria refused to let anymore Iraqis in since their own Assyrian culture was threatend, should this policy be adapted into the Western world?

However, all these Nationalist partys have Neo-Nazi accusations and seem to be violently anti-American and borderline insane (just look at Le Pen calling Saddam Hussein 'innocent'). So while not having such large immigration is a good thing, these partys don't look like the best answer.

Edited October 23, 2007 by Mars

[questionmark]

The Switzerland Nationalist party known as the SVP has swept elections in Switzerland it seems.

Should European nations preserve their own culture and refuse massive third world immigration? Now, nations like Syria do this openly. Just recently Syria refused to let anymore Iraqis in since their own Assyrian culture was threatend, should this policy be adapted into the Western world?

The Swiss SVP does not have clandestine meetings to read Mein Kampf in Denmark and the Czech republic either.

I find it laughable that people who advocate burning books, never mind people, want to tell us something about free speech.

[Mars]

The Swiss SVP does not have clandestine meetings to read Mein Kampf in Denmark and the Czech republic either.

I find it laughable that people who advocate burning books, never mind people, want to tell us something about free speech.

Because its the PEOPLE's choice in the end to decide who they want and accept their policys that come with it. Just like theres Communist and Socialist partys in Europe, there should also be these Nationalist partys that should be given an equal chance.

And I cannot blame any rise of Neo-Nazism, because the leftists in Europe and other nations have tried to ban ANYTHING that is racist. Which causes people to rebell and think differently while being persecuted by their government. Just look at Ernst Zundel unfairly who got a 4 year jail sentence for denying the holocaust! What kind of freedom of speech is that? A lot of times, Europeans like to talk about their nations being more 'free' than America, but with no concept or what being 'free' actually is. I guess they are free to do what their government tells them.

Now Fascism, imo, is an interesting ideology. And the only Fascist movement in America is non-racist and actually against racism!

Edited October 23, 2007 by Mars

[questionmark]

Now Fascism, imo, is a great ideology. And the only Fascist movement in America is non-racist and actually against racism.

If that is true, the last they should do is support the German Neo-Nazis:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6398571.stm

[Mars]

If that is true, the last they should do is support the German Neo-Nazis:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6398571.stm

I never said any of them supported the NDP, they're anti-Racists and against European Anti-American Nazism.

Fascism is a greatly interesting ideology. Just like I think the Soviet Union was interesting.

[Atheist God]

Already exists, but it is a Credit Union type establishment where Jews, Black and so on are admitted. In fact, when I lived in Germany the Branch manager of the Volksbank I used to have my account at was born in Luanda, Africa and pretty black.

But let me see this in another way: Is a banking establishment not authorized to choose whom they want as customer?

I would definitely be excluded from a Nazi bank....

This being said if it is a private establishment as much as I disagree with them excluding people based on religion and race etc they do in fact have every right to do so. It still wrong to discriminate though and.

[Mars]

The European Union is probably the most corrupt organization in the world, imo. And its looking like the USSR every single day.

And European nations are very guilty, they do not even adhere to the basic human rights of freedom of speech. How can you say European nations are truly free when Ernst Zundel (who is innocent) is in jail right now? Its just insane.

Now the Corrupt German government is considering banning a political party that does not share its views, but there is once again LITTLE outrage about it.

[Tiggs]

And European nations are very guilty, they do not even adhere to the basic human rights of freedom of speech. How can you say European nations are truly free when Ernst Zundel (who is innocent) is in jail right now? Its just insane.

Hmmm. Would that be Ernst "Deported from the US to Canada, where he was detained for two years as a risk to National Security before being deported to his nation of birth, Germany" Zundel?

Doesn't look like it's just the "evil" Europeans he's not too popular with, does it?

[Mars]

Ernst Zundel was deported by the USA for some immigration laws. Europeans didn't like ERnst Zundel because he denied the Holocaust.

But ofcourse anyone that hates Europe's unjust laws is a nazi.

Edited October 24, 2007 by Mars

[questionmark]

Ernst Zundel was deported by the USA for some immigration laws. Europeans didn't like ERnst Zundel because he denied the Holocaust.

But ofcourse anyone that hates Europe's unjust laws is a nazi.

well, some "just" Nazis don't seem to care much about Canadian law either:

In December 1980, the West German Federal Ministry of Finance told the Bundestag that between January 1978, and December 1979, "200 shipments of right-wing extremist and neo-Nazi content including books, periodicals, symbols, decorations, films, cassettes, and records" had been intercepted entering West Germany; these shipments "came overwhelmingly from Canada." On April 23, 1981, the West German government sent a letter to the Canadian Jewish Congress, confirming that the source of the material was Samisdat Publishers.

From 1981 to 1982 Zündel had his mailing privileges suspended by the Canadian government on the grounds that he had been using the mail to send hate propaganda, a criminal offence in Canada. Zündel then began shipping from a post office box in Niagara Falls, New York, until the ban on his mailing in Canada was lifted in January 1983.

Source

Edited October 25, 2007 by questionmark

[Mars]

Since when did I say the lack of basic human freedoms is just a European problem? It also exists in Canada, which is famous for being a Liberal left-wing country.

[Tiggs]

Ernst Zundel was deported by the USA for some immigration laws. Europeans didn't like ERnst Zundel because he denied the Holocaust. And instead of condemning UNFAIR laws in Germany and other European nations, instead you tried to say America was guilty aswell--which it isn't!

But ofcourse anyone that hates Europe's unjust laws is a nazi.

Let me quote from one of the pro Zundel websites:

On February 5, 2003 Ernst was brutally arrested by five armed government officials at his home in broad daylight and whisked away in handcuffs and leg irons – allegedly for "having missed a hearing". There was no arrest warrant. He was not allowed to call his attorney. There was not even a deportation order. A paper called a "Warrant for Deportation" was signed after he was already in custody.

Ernst was held in Blount County jail for ten days, where he was terrorized with dogs and repeatedly verbally and at least once physically abused by guards. Then he was taken by plane to Canada where he was immediately arrested again and placed in what is called "the hole" – brutal isolation in inhuman conditions. He languished there for two years.

My mistake. America obviously loved him.

But of course, anyone that hates a Nazi is not necessarily European or unjust.

[Mars]

Can you get a source other than some insane pro-Zundel site? It was clearly an immigration issue. And once again you're ignoring the EU's lack of basic human rights like free speech.

But of course, anyone that hates a Nazi is not necessarily European or unjust.

So you basically want to oppress political partys that don't allign with your view? I'm not a Communist, although I would never ban a Communist party!

[Moon Monkey]

The European Union is probably the most corrupt organization in the world, imo. And its looking like the USSR every single day.

And European nations are very guilty, they do not even adhere to the basic human rights of freedom of speech. How can you say European nations are truly free when Ernst Zundel (who is innocent) is in jail right now? Its just insane.

Now the Corrupt German government is considering banning a political party that does not share its views, but there is once again LITTLE outrage about it.

I had promised myself never to get into an argument with you again but...you really do talk crap sometimes.

[Mars]

I had promised myself never to get into an argument with you again but...you really do talk crap sometimes.

Thats surprising that you're an israeli and saying that. All freedom of speech and unpopular speech should be supported, case closed.

[Moon Monkey]

Thats surprising that you're an israeli and saying that. All freedom of speech and unpopular speech should be supported, case closed.

I am not an Israeli. I abide in Israel about 4-5 months a year which, before the intifada, I used to spend helping in Gaza, I have told you this before. You regularly talk insane left-wing crap without thought or unbiased research. "the european union is beginning to look like the ussr", hows that then ?

Edited October 26, 2007 by Moon Monkey

[Mars]

I am not an Israeli. I abide in Israel about 4-5 months a year which, before the intifada, I used to spend helping in Gaza, I have told you this before. You regularly talk insane left-wing crap without thought or unbiased research. "the european union is beginning to look like the ussr", hows that then ?

Well for one, the people of these nations never voted to join the European Union, which wishes to replace all the nationalitys and combine them into one.

Vladimir Bukovsky can describe this better than me--

And right-wingers are better when it comes to freedom of speech, it was more liberal leaning people who created the 'hate crime' laws.

[Mekorig]

sure, right winger are better whith freddom of speech. When they dont sent you thugs to hit you because you are a filthy red commie, or sent you to an illegal detainment center......

sadly, the left usually do that too....

[Mars]

sure, right winger are better whith freddom of speech. When they dont sent you thugs to hit you because you are a filthy red commie, or sent you to an illegal detainment center......

sadly, the left usually do that too....

They probably will. But its up to the people to decide that. And ofcourse if this was all brought out to the open then no one would vote for them. I think oppressing them is making them more popular.

[momentarylapseofreason]

I'll tell you something. The public media in germany is ALOT less controlled than in the US. Esp. when it comes to things of a political nature.

But mars is right "you can't say anything" against the official holocaust story. Nor can you have a copy of Mein Kampf it's insane.

As a german you better keep your mouth shut as far as this-anything else is ok. This is the only subject where free speech is limited. Strange.

Some famous journalist just mentioned casually some of the good things the Nazi party did for germany and she immediately got fired "on the spot" even though she abhors the party. She was just making a subjective observation-even this is a no go.

I think the NPD should be banned,period. Any hate incucing party. That would be like making the taliban an official party. Some people don't deserve "rights" just like pedophiles.

If the NPD ever comes into power we can kiss our free speech goodbye !

Why do you think the EU is evil or corrupt ? I don't see them starting warsfor no good reason ? I know they are not all goody goody. I Have no faith in most governments- they don't work for us- the people.

Edited October 28, 2007 by momentarylapseofreason

[ships-cat]

I think the NPD should be banned,period. Any hate incucing party. That would be like making the taliban an official party. Some people don't deserve "rights" just like pedophiles.

If a political party is observing the laws of the land, then I see no reason why they should be banned... UNLESS, of course, they are operating in a fascist state, where no dissent is tolerated. Are you comfortable with YOUR country being described in such terms ?

The concept of "hate crime" is very close to Orwells depiction of "thought-crime" from the 1984 novel. The state seeks not merely to criminalise actions, but to criminalise idea's themsevles.

You may applaud the introduction of "hate crimes" as being in a progressive cause. However, such laws are a two-edged sword, and care not who wields them, or to what ultimate purpose.

What's next... "political hate" crimes ? E.g. hatred of government policy ?

Meow Purr.

[keithisco]

Can you get a source other than some insane pro-Zundel site? It was clearly an immigration issue. And once again you're ignoring the EU's lack of basic human rights like free speech.

So you basically want to oppress political partys that don't allign with your view? I'm not a Communist, although I would never ban a Communist party!

You are talking completely out of your rear end now Mars. You are supposed to back up such statements as "you're ignoring the EU's lack of basic human rights like free speech" with something factual. Holocaust denial is a German prohibition, a German Law, not a European Union Law.

The European Union, HAS outlawed ALL torture (unlike the U.S.), it is also Illegal to enact Retrospective Legislation in all Current member states of the E.U. (Unlike the U.S. which is just about to pass a Bill to prevent Bush and his cronies being accused of War Crimes in a Court of Law). Your Health System is an affront to basic Human Rights. Demonstrate this much vaunted Freedom of Speech, whilst Students are tasered for asking awkward questions.

I spent several years in the U.S. and have seen many examples of a "controlled" society. There is no Independence in your Press, they all sing from the same hymnsheet. Many people are left ignorant of the rest of the world (as you are) because they are never shown it om their TV's. It's time for US Citizens to make a stand in their own country, I am heartened to see many such people making a stand here on this forum.