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[Hawkin]

Merc14, on 08 October 2012 - 11:15 AM, said:

It is easy to judge people by a few posts.  You are defending the indefensible and use Rolling Stone as a prime source to base your opinions on, that speaks volumes about who you are.  Here is some proof http://www.washingto...mKDbW_blog.html

They say 90% were successful with only 10% going banrupt.  Not that hard to find.  Once again, stop reading the left's Pravda and branch out before condemning.  I strike out because people like you voted this crook into office and then condemn an honest man because he made some money taking failing businesses and turning them around.

Actually, I voted for McCain the last election. When he was a POW in Vietnam he chose to stay
with his fellow POW's when the Vietnamese government was going to release him. It shows
that McCain is a man of honor and unselfishness. Too bad he's not in it again. Romney seems
to be the opposite and been caught on a lot of lies.

As for Romney. The link you provided by Josh Hicks of Fact Checker is just as controversial
as Matt Tiabbi of Rolling Stone. It's going to boil down to what a person chooses to believe.

Edited by Ryegrog, 08 October 2012 - 12:31 PM.

[Rafterman]

The desperation of the left to salvage anything from Obama's complete and utter collapse in last week's debate is hilarious - sad, but hilarious.

As for Rolling Stone, I have a free subscription I got from buying some concert tickets - God knows I'd never pay for that drivel.  And while the left loves to hold up all of the "hard hitting journalism", I find it rather lacking and much of it doesn't hold up as time goes by.  A perfect example was the recent article about Sheriff Joe - basically saying he was the most lawless and corrupt LEO in the history of the US and how he was hurtling toward a prison sentence.  Not two months after the article comes out, the Federal Government dropped all charges.  Journalism fail.

[Order66]

Slate, on 08 October 2012 - 03:03 AM, said:

1. Passed Health Care Reform: After five presidents over a century failed to create universal health insurance, signed the Affordable Care Act (2010). It will cover 32 million uninsured Americans beginning in 2014 and mandates a suite of experimental measures to cut health care cost growth, the number one cause of America’s long-term fiscal problems.
2. Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth amid greatest recession since the Great Depression. Weeks after stimulus went into effect, unemployment claims began to subside. Twelve months later, the private sector began producing more jobs than it was losing, and it has continued to do so for twenty-three straight months, creating a total of nearly 3.7 million new private-sector jobs.
3. Passed Wall Street Reform: Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (2010) to re-regulate the financial sector after its practices caused the Great Recession. The new law tightens capital requirements on large banks and other financial institutions, requires derivatives to be sold on clearinghouses and exchanges, mandates that large banks provide “living wills” to avoid chaotic bankruptcies, limits their ability to trade with customers’ money for their own profit, and creates the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (now headed by Richard Cordray) to crack down on abusive lending products and companies.

It's a brilliant solution to spend spend spend? A couple weeks ago my 5-year-old daughter wanted to have dinner at a restaurant.  I told her we didn't have money at the moment, and she said, "I have an idea! We can go to the bank!" Basically her understanding of the economy now rivals Obama's, she equates the bank with a giant money tree. Give her the Nobel Prize I guess. Obama's great accomplishment is to work a giant cash register. Finally a job he is qualified for ...

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4. Ended the War in Iraq: Ordered all U.S. military forces out of the country. Last troops left on December 18, 2011.

He promised to withdraw the troops in 2009. Will he take responsibility for the casualties lost because of his failed campaign promise or does the blame fall to Bush?

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5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan: From a peak of 101,000 troops in June 2011, U.S. forces are now down to 91,000, with 23,000 slated to leave by the end of summer 2012. According to Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, the combat mission there will be over by next year.

More lives have been lost in Afghanistan during Obama's term than during Bush's, not that these tragic deaths are a numbers game, but if you choose to bring it up ...

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6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: In 2011, ordered special forces raid of secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in which the terrorist leader was killed and a trove of al-Qaeda documents was discovered.

This Obama gets credit for, even though he was probably ordering grilled cheese at 3 AM and watching Sportscenter while SEALS were risking their lives so Obama could quickly take the credit.

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7. Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry: In 2009, injected $62 billion in federal money (on top of $13.4 billion in loans from the Bush administration) into ailing GM and Chrysler in return for equity stakes and agreements for massive restructuring. Since bottoming out in 2009, the auto industry has added more than 100,000 jobs. In 2011, the Big Three automakers all gained market share for the first time in two decades. The government expects to lose $16 billion of its investment, less if the price of the GM stock it still owns increases.

Yes he did a great job of maintaining the bloated, failed status quo so he could buy the union vote, and now thanks to his restructuring, GM has lost more money than it was given in the bailout. I like Romney's comment that the 500 million wasted on Solyndra could have hired 2 million teachers. Compare that to 62 billion to hire 100,000.

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8. Recapitalized Banks: In the midst of financial crisis, approved controversial Treasury Department plan to lure private capital into the country’s largest banks via “stress tests” of their balance sheets and a public-private fund to buy their “toxic” assets. Got banks back on their feet at essentially zero cost to the government.

You already mentioned Wall Street bailouts above, not that it matters, this list is quantity not quality.

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9. Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”: Ended 1990s-era restriction and formalized new policy allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military for the first time.

Yes because if there's one thing a troop needs out in the middle of a desert hell-hole surrounded by angry armed Islamic fundamentalists, it's to know who all the homosexuals are. Well at least Commander-in-Chief can secure the gay/lesbian vote, thats what counts.

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10. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi: In March 2011, joined a coalition of European and Arab governments in military action, including air power and naval blockade, against Gaddafi regime to defend Libyan civilians and support rebel troops. Gaddafi’s forty-two-year rule ended when the dictator was overthrown and killed by rebels on October 20, 2011. No American lives were lost.
11. Told Mubarak to Go: On February 1, 2011, publicly called on Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak to accept reform or step down, thus weakening the dictator’s position and putting America on the right side of the Arab Spring. Mubarak ended thirty-year rule when overthrown on February 11.
12. Reversed Bush Torture Policies: Two days after taking office, nullified Bush-era rulings that had allowed detainees in U.S. custody to undergo certain “enhanced” interrogation techniques considered inhumane under the Geneva Conventions. Also released the secret Bush legal rulings supporting the use of these techniques.
13. Improved America’s Image Abroad: With new policies, diplomacy, and rhetoric, reversed a sharp decline in world opinion toward the U.S. (and the corresponding loss of “soft power”) during the Bush years. From 2008 to 2011, favorable opinion toward the United States rose in ten of fifteen countries surveyed by the Pew Global Attitudes Project, with an average increase of 26 percent.

Better update this list, since the Libyan embassy attack has revealed exposed this is as the foreign policy disaster that it is. Did somebody tell the Ambassador about the new torture policies while he was being sodomized and killed? Way to improve our image, now they are burning effigies of Obama. Racists!

(more below ...)

[Order66]

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14. Kicked Banks Out of Federal Student Loan Program, Expanded Pell Grant Spending: As part of the 2010 health care reform bill, signed measure ending the wasteful decades-old practice of subsidizing banks to provide college loans. Starting July 2010 all students began getting their federal student loans directly from the federal government. Treasury will save $67 billion over ten years, $36 billion of which will go to expanding Pell Grants to lower-income students.
15. Created Race to the Top: With funds from stimulus, started $4.35 billion program of competitive grants to encourage and reward states for education reform.

Obama sounded like a fool in the debate when he suggested access to student loans as a solution to unemployment. The occupiers all had useless college degrees, they were angry because they couldn't find jobs.

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16. Boosted Fuel Efficiency Standards: Released new fuel efficiency standards in 2011 that will nearly double the fuel economy for cars and trucks by 2025.

Good, maybe we can recoup losses on the Chevy Volt.

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17. Coordinated International Response to Financial Crisis: To keep world economy out of recession in 2009 and 2010, helped secure from G-20 nations more than $500 billion for the IMF to provide lines of credit and other support to emerging market countries, which kept them liquid and avoided crises with their currencies.

Meanwhile back in the US, our own credit was downgraded because the budget talks collapsed due to a political stunt by Obama.

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18. Passed Mini Stimuli: To help families hurt by the recession and spur the economy as stimulus spending declined, signed series of measures (July 22, 2010; December 17, 2010; December 23, 2011) to extend unemployment insurance and cut payroll taxes.

Now unemployment is still massive and more people are on food stamps then ever. BTW they are called the "Bush tax cuts" when Democrats oppose them.

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19. Began Asia “Pivot”: In 2011, reoriented American military and diplomatic priorities and focus from the Middle East and Europe to the Asian-Pacific region. Executed multipronged strategy of positively engaging China while reasserting U.S. leadership in the region by increasing American military presence and crafting new commercial, diplomatic, and military alliances with neighboring countries made uncomfortable by recent Chinese behavior.

If we want to exert power over China, the first thing we should do is quit borrowing money from them to pay for Obama's massive spending bills.

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20. Increased Support for Veterans: With so many soldiers coming home from Iraq and Iran with serious physical and mental health problems, yet facing long waits for services, increased 2010 Department of Veterans Affairs budget by 16 percent and 2011 budget by 10 percent. Also signed new GI bill offering $78 billion in tuition assistance over a decade, and provided multiple tax credits to encourage businesses to hire veterans.

I'm glad he's hiring veterans, it's too bad he has fired infinitely more to support his agenda of a "leaner, meaner" military, leaving us defenseless against all the new enemies created by his foreign policy.

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21. Tightened Sanctions on Iran: In effort to deter Iran’s nuclear program, signed Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act (2010) to punish firms and individuals who aid Iran’s petroleum sector. In late 2011 and early 2012, coordinated with other major Western powers to impose sanctions aimed at Iran’s banks and with Japan, South Korea, and China to shift their oil purchases away from Iran.

Yes he's very tough on Iran, that's why he rolls out the red carpet for Achmadenijad so we can hear what he has to say publically about extermination of the Jews while snubbing Netanyahu. I wonder if Obama will ever invite the leader of the KKK to the White House to opine on his thoughts about extermination of the negroes.

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22. Created Conditions to Begin Closing Dirtiest Power Plants: New EPA restrictions on mercury and toxic pollution, issued in December 2011, likely to lead to the closing of between sixty-eight and 231 of the nation’s oldest and dirtiest coal-fired power plants. Estimated cost to utilities: at least $11 billion by 2016. Estimated health benefits: $59 billion to $140 billion. Will also significantly reduce carbon emissions and, with other regulations, comprises what’s been called Obama’s “stealth climate policy.”

I call it "raise gas price" policy.

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23. Passed Credit Card Reforms: Signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure Act (2009), which prohibits credit card companies from raising rates without advance notification, mandates a grace period on interest rate increases, and strictly limits overdraft and other fees.

Yes the Durbin Amendment worked out great, it ended up with Bank of America raising credit card fees to cover the cost of the new mandates, upon which Durbin called for a boycott of the Bank of America for trying to cover costs of measures that he enacted.

Sorry I don't have time to address the rest of the list, but you get my point, I think this is an enumerated list of failures skewed to sound like success.

[Merc14]

Vein Capital, on 08 October 2012 - 01:18 PM, said:

Obama sounded like a fool in the debate when he suggested access to student loans as a solution to unemployment. The occupiers all had useless college degrees, they were angry because they couldn't find jobs.



Good, maybe we can recoup losses on the Chevy Volt.



Meanwhile back in the US, our own credit was downgraded because the budget talks collapsed due to a political stunt by Obama.



Now unemployment is still massive and more people are on food stamps then ever. BTW they are called the "Bush tax cuts" when Democrats oppose them.



If we want to exert power over China, the first thing we should do is quit borrowing money from them to pay for Obama's massive spending bills.



I'm glad he's hiring veterans, it's too bad he has fired infinitely more to support his agenda of a "leaner, meaner" military, leaving us defenseless against all the new enemies created by his foreign policy.



Yes he's very tough on Iran, that's why he rolls out the red carpet for Achmadenijad so we can hear what he has to say publically about extermination of the Jews while snubbing Netanyahu. I wonder if Obama will ever invite the leader of the KKK to the White House to opine on his thoughts about extermination of the negroes.



I call it "raise gas price" policy.



Yes the Durbin Amendment worked out great, it ended up with Bank of America raising credit card fees to cover the cost of the new mandates, upon which Durbin called for a boycott of the Bank of America for trying to cover costs of measures that he enacted.

Sorry I don't have time to address the rest of the list, but you get my point, I think this is an enumerated list of failures skewed to sound like success.

Freakin' well done!  What a tear-down!  Great job.  Makes me feel lazy because I dumped a two liner on this drivel.  I may cut and paste for a tear-down on another site is you don't mind, all credit will be given of course.  This list of "accomplishments" is also why Obama got creamed in the debate.  How do you defend the indefensible?

Edited by Merc14, 08 October 2012 - 01:54 PM.

[Gamrat]

HAHAHA Some moron said, "We have a country to save"... where was that thinking when Bush was destroying this country??? And Americans are supposed to believe that voting for Romney (who is doubling down on the trickle down crap) is going to save it??? Wow... it's really pathetic how fast people forget that 4 years ago our county was in the shitter!  And even more pathetic that people thing that returning our country to the bull**** that almost destroyed it will save it??? Yeah your argument is crap and so is your "savior". Romney has one thing on his mind and it's NOT saving this country! Oh but please tell me how HORRIBLE these last four years have been... PLEASE! HAhaha... you are a fool if you vote for a rich man who only watches out for his rich friends. Unless you are one of his rich friends you have NO right voting for him!

[Hawkin]

Gamrat, on 08 October 2012 - 02:04 PM, said:

HAHAHA Some moron said, "We have a country to save"... where was that thinking when Bush was destroying this country??? And Americans are supposed to believe that voting for Romney (who is doubling down on the trickle down crap) is going to save it??? Wow... it's really pathetic how fast people forget that 4 years ago our county was in the shitter!  And even more pathetic that people thing that returning our country to the bull**** that almost destroyed it will save it??? Yeah your argument is crap and so is your "savior". Romney has one thing on his mind and it's NOT saving this country! Oh but please tell me how HORRIBLE these last four years have been... PLEASE! HAhaha... you are a fool if you vote for a rich man who only watches out for his rich friends. Unless you are one of his rich friends you have NO right voting for him!

I can remember the tail end of Bush's presidency that gas prices soared to 4.35 a gallon (at least in my area)
and the stock markets were taking a nose dive. Lost a lot of money in my retirement. It would seem he was
setting up a bad economy for the next president.

[Dredimus]

Slate, on 08 October 2012 - 03:03 AM, said:

1. Passed Health Care Reform: After five presidents over a century failed to create universal health insurance, signed the Affordable Care Act (2010). It will cover 32 million uninsured Americans beginning in 2014 and mandates a suite of experimental measures to cut health care cost growth, the number one cause of America’s long-term fiscal problems.
2. Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth amid greatest recession since the Great Depression. Weeks after stimulus went into effect, unemployment claims began to subside. Twelve months later, the private sector began producing more jobs than it was losing, and it has continued to do so for twenty-three straight months, creating a total of nearly 3.7 million new private-sector jobs.
3. Passed Wall Street Reform: Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (2010) to re-regulate the financial sector after its practices caused the Great Recession. The new law tightens capital requirements on large banks and other financial institutions, requires derivatives to be sold on clearinghouses and exchanges, mandates that large banks provide “living wills” to avoid chaotic bankruptcies, limits their ability to trade with customers’ money for their own profit, and creates the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (now headed by Richard Cordray) to crack down on abusive lending products and companies.
4. Ended the War in Iraq: Ordered all U.S. military forces out of the country. Last troops left on December 18, 2011.
5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan: From a peak of 101,000 troops in June 2011, U.S. forces are now down to 91,000, with 23,000 slated to leave by the end of summer 2012. According to Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, the combat mission there will be over by next year.
6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: In 2011, ordered special forces raid of secret compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, in which the terrorist leader was killed and a trove of al-Qaeda documents was discovered.
7. Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry: In 2009, injected $62 billion in federal money (on top of $13.4 billion in loans from the Bush administration) into ailing GM and Chrysler in return for equity stakes and agreements for massive restructuring. Since bottoming out in 2009, the auto industry has added more than 100,000 jobs. In 2011, the Big Three automakers all gained market share for the first time in two decades. The government expects to lose $16 billion of its investment, less if the price of the GM stock it still owns increases.
8. Recapitalized Banks: In the midst of financial crisis, approved controversial Treasury Department plan to lure private capital into the country’s largest banks via “stress tests” of their balance sheets and a public-private fund to buy their “toxic” assets. Got banks back on their feet at essentially zero cost to the government.
9. Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”: Ended 1990s-era restriction and formalized new policy allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military for the first time.
10. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi: In March 2011, joined a coalition of European and Arab governments in military action, including air power and naval blockade, against Gaddafi regime to defend Libyan civilians and support rebel troops. Gaddafi’s forty-two-year rule ended when the dictator was overthrown and killed by rebels on October 20, 2011. No American lives were lost.
11. Told Mubarak to Go: On February 1, 2011, publicly called on Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak to accept reform or step down, thus weakening the dictator’s position and putting America on the right side of the Arab Spring. Mubarak ended thirty-year rule when overthrown on February 11.

Im just going to touch on the first eleven because I don’t have the time to sit here and laugh as I pour through this list… the only other two im going to even comment on besides these right now, are the shuttle program (thanks for setting us back a few more years Mr. President) and the F-22 Raptor… No, it has never actively engaged and fired upon a target… however… the Raptor has been used on the Iranian border and on Obama’s own protection detail while he was in NYC. I may come back to this after work today and go through all 50… but most of it seems to me that either he is taking credit for something he didn’t directly do, or is openly admitting to doing things that are aiding in taking this country to the ground. Just My Opinion…


1. Passed Health Care Reform: The CBO (Congressional Budget Office) states that the initial cost for “Obamacare” will be somewhere around $1.76 Trillion, compared to Obama’s stated claim of $940 Billion… either way, that’s a very large sum of money and it has to come from somewhere… and that’s just the first ten years, every year after 2021 its estimated to cost $250Billion a year.
“Not only have aggregate costs risen, but projected premiums for families have also gone up. Initially, health reforms were projected to save families over $2,500, but more recent studies by the CBO estimate such premiums costing more than $1,500 above what they otherwise would have.”
This will also delay the economic recovery for the same reasons listed above… oh… and you can call it a Tax or a Penalty, whatever you want… either way, the government has no right to tax or penalize me for not purchasing a product.
2. Passed the Stimulus: People seem to forget that this $787 Billion Dollars didn’t just materialize… So let’s see what the TAX PAYER MONEY went to. Let’s see… it didn’t create sustainable jobs… unemployment stayed above 8%... Shoveled millions into companies like Solyndra… who amazingly killed out a few months later…
3. Passed Wall Street Reform: I won’t argue with this. Still waiting on the true impact.
4. Ended the War in Iraq: This was done by the U.S. – Iraq Status of Forces Agreement… signed December 14, 2008 By G.W. Bush…  It stated that all forces must withdraw from Major Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009 and then from Iraq as a whole by 12 31 2011
5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan: *clap clap clap* Oh Wait… Obama signed the Long Term Partnership with Karzai that will keep the US in Afghanistan for atleast another 10 years… it was signed in Kabul on May 2^nd, 2012. The figure (when last talked about with the media) was at 25k troops commanded by a 3 star general.   And I like how this list leaves out Libya, Yemen, Pakistan and Somolia… you know… for the bombs / drone strikes Obama has had going on there….
6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: No… Navy Seal Team 6 did that…
7. Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry: Again, This is American Tax Dollars, not money that just comes from the land of make believe. How much of Chryslers parts/electronics are made overseas?
8. Recapitalized Banks:  This is not the government’s job.
9. Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”: Great….
10. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi: Might wanna check back in on that situation in Libya…. And if you believe the media… Obama had nothing to do with this… the rebels did it.
11. Told Mubarak to Go: Let’s not forget that Biden/Obama sang the praises of Mubarak in January…and showed their full support… It even went as far with Biden: “I would not refer to him as a dictator”. Only to do a total flip flop, even after several pleas came out of Israel… Don’t Forget who took over in Egypt… that will be vital in the coming years

[Dredimus]

Dang! I should have looked up before digging through the first 11 and posting... Well Done Vein!

[ninjadude]

DieChecker, on 08 October 2012 - 06:51 AM, said:

Also if you look you'll see that the Bain Capital business model is now being used by hundreds of top level corporations... because it brings in profits. I don't see how Romney can be pinned down as a traitor if tens of thousands of other top level businessmen are doing the same every day in every major city in the US.

so now destroying the middle class is ok because the plutocrats are making money hand over fist?!!

[Merc14]

Dredimus, on 08 October 2012 - 02:59 PM, said:

Im just going to touch on the first eleven because I don’t have the time to sit here and laugh as I pour through this list… the only other two im going to even comment on besides these right now, are the shuttle program (thanks for setting us back a few more years Mr. President) and the F-22 Raptor… No, it has never actively engaged and fired upon a target… however… the Raptor has been used on the Iranian border and on Obama’s own protection detail while he was in NYC. I may come back to this after work today and go through all 50… but most of it seems to me that either he is taking credit for something he didn’t directly do, or is openly admitting to doing things that are aiding in taking this country to the ground. Just My Opinion…


1. Passed Health Care Reform: The CBO (Congressional Budget Office) states that the initial cost for “Obamacare” will be somewhere around $1.76 Trillion, compared to Obama’s stated claim of $940 Billion… either way, that’s a very large sum of money and it has to come from somewhere… and that’s just the first ten years, every year after 2021 its estimated to cost $250Billion a year.
“Not only have aggregate costs risen, but projected premiums for families have also gone up. Initially, health reforms were projected to save families over $2,500, but more recent studies by the CBO estimate such premiums costing more than $1,500 above what they otherwise would have.”
This will also delay the economic recovery for the same reasons listed above… oh… and you can call it a Tax or a Penalty, whatever you want… either way, the government has no right to tax or penalize me for not purchasing a product.
2. Passed the Stimulus: People seem to forget that this $787 Billion Dollars didn’t just materialize… So let’s see what the TAX PAYER MONEY went to. Let’s see… it didn’t create sustainable jobs… unemployment stayed above 8%... Shoveled millions into companies like Solyndra… who amazingly killed out a few months later…
3. Passed Wall Street Reform: I won’t argue with this. Still waiting on the true impact.
4. Ended the War in Iraq: This was done by the U.S. – Iraq Status of Forces Agreement… signed December 14, 2008 By G.W. Bush…  It stated that all forces must withdraw from Major Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009 and then from Iraq as a whole by 12 31 2011
5. Began Drawdown of War in Afghanistan: *clap clap clap* Oh Wait… Obama signed the Long Term Partnership with Karzai that will keep the US in Afghanistan for atleast another 10 years… it was signed in Kabul on May 2^nd, 2012. The figure (when last talked about with the media) was at 25k troops commanded by a 3 star general.   And I like how this list leaves out Libya, Yemen, Pakistan and Somolia… you know… for the bombs / drone strikes Obama has had going on there….
6. Eliminated Osama bin laden: No… Navy Seal Team 6 did that…
7. Turned Around U.S. Auto Industry: Again, This is American Tax Dollars, not money that just comes from the land of make believe. How much of Chryslers parts/electronics are made overseas?
8. Recapitalized Banks:  This is not the government’s job.
9. Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”: Great….
10. Toppled Moammar Gaddafi: Might wanna check back in on that situation in Libya…. And if you believe the media… Obama had nothing to do with this… the rebels did it.
11. Told Mubarak to Go: Let’s not forget that Biden/Obama sang the praises of Mubarak in January…and showed their full support… It even went as far with Biden: “I would not refer to him as a dictator”. Only to do a total flip flop, even after several pleas came out of Israel… Don’t Forget who took over in Egypt… that will be vital in the coming years

Also well done.  You guys have it mailed.  Thanks,  Romney hammered him today on Foreign Policy..

[Merc14]

Gamrat, on 08 October 2012 - 02:04 PM, said:

HAHAHA Some moron said, "We have a country to save"... where was that thinking when Bush was destroying this country??? And Americans are supposed to believe that voting for Romney (who is doubling down on the trickle down crap) is going to save it??? Wow... it's really pathetic how fast people forget that 4 years ago our county was in the shitter!  And even more pathetic that people thing that returning our country to the bull**** that almost destroyed it will save it??? Yeah your argument is crap and so is your "savior". Romney has one thing on his mind and it's NOT saving this country! Oh but please tell me how HORRIBLE these last four years have been... PLEASE! HAhaha... you are a fool if you vote for a rich man who only watches out for his rich friends. Unless you are one of his rich friends you have NO right voting for him!

Get off your Mom's computer before she grounds you.

[Vet74]

HAHAHA Some moron said, "We have a country to save"... where was that thinking when Bush was destroying this country??? And Americans are supposed to believe that voting for Romney (who is doubling down on the trickle down crap) is going to save it??? Wow... it's really pathetic how fast people forget that 4 years ago our county was in the shitter!  And even more pathetic that people thing that returning our country to the bull**** that almost destroyed it will save it??? Yeah your argument is crap and so is your "savior". Romney has one thing on his mind and it's NOT saving this country! Oh but please tell me how HORRIBLE these last four years have been... PLEASE! HAhaha... you are a fool if you vote for a rich man who only watches out for his rich friends. Unless you are one of his rich friends you have NO right voting for him!


Sounds like someone is in panic mode. Afraid you will lose your food stamps if Romney is elected?

[Hilander]

If Romney is elected we all lose.  Something about that man is creepy and seems unreal to me.

I don't know see how people expect Obama to repair this economy in 4 years that Bush had 8 years to destroy.

[Merc14]

Hilander, on 08 October 2012 - 06:01 PM, said:

If Romney is elected we all lose.  Something about that man is creepy and seems unreal to me.

I don't know see how people expect Obama to repair this economy in 4 years that Bush had 8 years to destroy.

The economy was pretty good for most of Bush's 8 years, even after the 911 attack.  It blew up after the housing bubble burst, something Bush was warning about but was blocked from fixing by Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, who ran Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and a democrat legislature.  Bushs's biggest sin is his increasing the defiicit by $4T, something Obama called unpatriotic,until he ran up $6T in 3.5 years.

As far as expecting Obama to fix everything in 4 years I would suggest no one expected that.  What they expected was at least some improvement, of any kind but instead, after he got everything he asked for, the unemployment rate went up and stayed there for 3 years and the economy flatlined and staye dthere.  He saddled us with trillions more in debt and his solution is to add even more to that debt.  He is a failure and voting for him again makes absolutely no sense when his only plan is to do more of the same.