For Perspectives Sake, - Milky Way Adopted Us

[Holographic60]

http://viewzone2.com/milkywayx.html

I read this described in the above link a'while back now. Maybe on "LiveScience" .com. Not sure.

Our original home is not the Milky Way! We, that is the solar system, started out in the Sagittarius Dwarf galaxy, and were absorbed by the larger Milky Way galaxy.

Perhaps that will give some posting here a greater perspective of things, regarding the extraterrestrial question, and issue.

Dunno, maybe not...

Edited March 10, 2015 by Holographic60

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

OHH good grief

[badeskov]

http://viewzone2.com/milkywayx.html

I read this described in the above link a'while back now. Maybe on "LiveScience" .com. Not sure.

Our original home is not the Milky Way! We, that is the solar system, started out in the Sagittarius Dwarf galaxy, and were absorbed by the larger Milky Way galaxy.

Perhaps that will give some posting here a greater perspective of things, regarding the extraterrestrial question, and issue.

Dunno, maybe not...

Yeah, maybe not...to echo SWoH, Good Grief.....

Cheers,

Badeskov

[Imaginarynumber1]

Let's see what an actual astronomer has to say....

We’ve always assumed the Sun was born in the Milky Way, and has been here its whole life. Is it possible it was actually born in a different galaxy, and the Milky Way stole it?

Do we have (cue evil music)… an alien Sun?

No.

Oh, you want more info? Alrighty then, sit back. This’ll be fun.

http://blogs.discove...another-galaxy/

This "story" is 8 years old, by the way. And not true. For perspectives sake.

Edited March 10, 2015 by Imaginarynumber1

[Luxord]

Why isn't it true?

[Imaginarynumber1]

Why isn't it true?

Read the article I linked. it's fabrication. All their facts are wrong.

[Luxord]

Read the article I linked. it's fabrication. All their facts are wrong.

Ok,thanks.

[Podo]

Pppft, FACTS. Who uses those anymore, really?

True or no, it was an interesting read. Would be been cooler if it had any shred of truth to it, but you win some, you lose some, I guess.

[JesseCuster]

Perhaps that will give some posting here a greater perspective of things, regarding the extraterrestrial question, and issue.

Why should it?

How does the fact that a long time ago our star was in a different place in the universe (which we knew anyway due to other factors nothing to do with the milky way absorbing stars from nearby dwarf galaxies as per your OP) have any bearing on the issue of extraterrestrial life?

Planets, stars, solar systems, galaxies, galaxy groups, etc. move through the universe in all sorts of weird and wonderful ways. What do you think that contributes to the issue of extraterrestrial life?

Edited March 12, 2015 by JesseCuster

[Holographic60]

Why should it?

How does the fact that a long time ago our star was in a different place in the universe (which we knew anyway due to other factors nothing to do with the milky way absorbing stars from nearby dwarf galaxies as per your OP) have any bearing on the issue of extraterrestrial life?

Planets, stars, solar systems, galaxies, galaxy groups, etc. move through the universe in all sorts of weird and wonderful ways. What do you think that contributes to the issue of extraterrestrial life?

Having to do with perspectives concerning the things we still do not know,and regarding the vastness and complexity of the dynamics in the Universe. Btw, those things will kill you. Have you thought about E-Cigs?

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Let's see what an actual astronomer has to say....

This "story" is 8 years old, by the way. And not true. For perspectives sake.

Right, so...thing is, today they have this mysterious technology called "Computers", which when inputed with the physics data, gives us "Simulation" dynamics of how things occur.

It has become common knowledge, now, that this situation occurs with regularity over billions of years in the Universe, involving other galaxies also.

"Apparently confirming that hypothesis was the discovery of a new object in 1994 now commonly referred to as the Sagittarius Dwarf Elliptical Galaxy (SagDEG), found very close to the Milky Way on the opposite side of the Galactic Center from the Solar System (Ibata et al, 1995 and 1994)."

http://www.solstatio...cts/sag-deg.htm

"Astronomers have long suspected that the Milky Way Galaxy was formed from smaller galaxies.

On September 14, 2011, a team of astronomers revealed that the Milky Way's spiral arms could have been generated after two collisions with SagDEG over the past billion years."

Regarding perspectives... this is a vast and complex Universe. If an evolved species has even just a 500 year start over us, how much more advanced technologically would they be?

What if they have had a million years start over us? Or, more..?

Example of a simulation.

On YouTube -

Depiction:

Edited March 12, 2015 by Holographic60

[Holographic60]

Yeah... thought so.

Not so cocky now, are ya sport.

[JesseCuster]

Having to do with perspectives concerning the things we still do not know,and regarding the vastness and complexity of the dynamics in the Universe.

How does that in any way actually address my question?

What does this idea concerning the sun originating in a dwarf galaxy captured by the Milky Way have to do with the existence of ET life? What perspective does it give us that address the issue in any sort of useful way?

[Imaginarynumber1]

Yeah... thought so.

Not so cocky now, are ya sport.

Did you even read the article to find out why your post was wrong or do you just like opening your mouth to look like an idiot?

I didn't reply because i didn't care.

However, the simple fact that our solar system is in line with and orbits the galactic plane is enough to ruin your claims. Second, the composition of the stars in the dwarf galaxy show that they contain contain far, far less iron than our own.

How does that in any way actually address my question?

What does this idea concerning the sun originating in a dwarf galaxy captured by the Milky Way have to do with the existence of ET life? What perspective does it give us that address the issue in any sort of useful way?

It doesn't. It's just more worthless babble from these people.

[Holographic60]

However, the simple fact that our solar system is in line with and orbits the galactic plane is enough to ruin your claims. Second, the composition of the stars in the dwarf galaxy show that they contain contain far, far less iron than our own.

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It doesn't. It's just more worthless babble from these people.

Imaginarynumber1 -

This "story" is 8 years old, by the way. And not true. For perspectives sake.

Look, you stated that the story and revelation is eight years old. I posted an article from 2011.

You're response and explanation is insufficient.

You just trying to cover your kiester and in clumsy manner.

I sited also the simulation models, and how it is recognized that this has occurred many times with other galaxies over billions of years.

And Custer, Greater "Perspectives" on things? Though, I acknowledge that this is not an option for some.

http://www.solstatio...cts/sag-deg.htm

"Astronomers have long suspected that the Milky Way Galaxy was formed from smaller galaxies.

On September 14, 2011, a team of astronomers revealed that the Milky Way's spiral arms could have been generated after two collisions with SagDEG over the past billion years."

Regarding perspectives... this is a vast and complex Universe. If an evolved species has even just a 500 year start over us, how much more advanced technologically would they be?

What if they have had a million years start over us? Or, more..?

Example of a simulation.

On YouTube -

Edited March 14, 2015 by Holographic60

[Imaginarynumber1]

Imaginarynumber1 -

Look, you stated that the story and revelation is eight years old. I posted an article from 2011.

You're response and explanation is insufficient.

You just trying to cover your kiester and in clumsy manner.

I sited also the simulation models, and how it is recognized that this has occurred many times with other galaxies over billions of years.

And Custer, Greater "Perspectives" on things? Though, I acknowledge that this is not an option for some.

http://www.solstatio...cts/sag-deg.htm

Canabalization of other galaxys occurs. That is not being debated. The sun is not from the Sagittarius dwarf galaxy, however. It's orbit proves that. End of ******* story.

[JesseCuster]

And Custer, Greater "Perspectives" on things?

Accepting for the sake of argument that the sun originated in a dwarf galaxy absorbed by the Milky Way, how does that give us a greater perspective on the issue of ET life? You have made no attempt to actually answer that question. Just repeating that it gives "greater perspective" doesn't mean anything.

[Luxord]

I am just curious to see what other galaxies really look like from the outside looking in.

[JesseCuster]

Oh, nevermind...

Edited March 15, 2015 by JesseCuster

[Holographic60]

Mr. Custer, here is something for perspectives sake also.

http://www.dailymail...scientists.html

Scientists have detected pathways in between galaxies, forming a giant galactic supercluster.

The Milky Way alone is around 100 Light years across.

Question: While Hollywood has imagination, and, many people do, is it the height of arrogancy for NASA scientists to state that there "may be microscopic, or very simple life found elsewhere ?

Or, for people in general to, now in the 21st century? What do you think?

Also just discovered... there is found current micro galaxies surrounding the Milky Way, some of which may be made up of, "Dark Matter".

With the prolific knowledge, and weighty evidence we have today of the Universe, what is at the root of the mindset which declares that, "humanity is the be all and end all of complex lifeform" ?

Also in the recent News, Astronomers have spotted a loose roaming star which is racing across our galaxy at something like 715 miles per second.

Even at that rate of speed, they state it would nevertheless still take it 25 million years to escape the Galaxy.

Because, if that is the case for you, that with all this knowledge you nevertheless feel there is no advanced life out there, might I share my perspective, that you may as well be a fundamentalist?

Edited March 15, 2015 by Holographic60

[+Noteverythingisaconspiracy]

Because, if that is the case for you, that with all this knowledge you nevertheless feel there is no advanced life out there, might I share my perspective, that you may as well be a fundamentalist?

At what point did anyone in this thread say that there is no advanced life "out there" ?

This happens all the time in thread about alien life. If you disagrees with the UFO believers, you are automaticly thought to be against the possibility of alien life.

As far as I remember, there are no one here who have ever said that alien life is impossible.

So who is the fundamentalist here ?

Btw none of what you just posted have any connection to whether aliens exist or not.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

With the prolific knowledge, and weighty evidence we have today of the Universe, what is at the root of the mindset which declares that, "humanity is the be all and end all of complex lifeform" ?

Politics, in so far as politics is the study and application of knowledge on the interaction of human beings.

Basially, it's the hope that if respected authorities say "we're it people" enough then maybe we'll stop being arseholes to each other and we'll grow up as a species.

[JesseCuster]

Mr. Custer, here is something for perspectives sake also.

Another refusal to answer a simple question. You repeatedly maintain that the idea that the sun and our solar system came from a nearby dwarf galaxy gives us "greater perspective" on the something to do with ET life. I don't know what "greater perspective" it gives (and apparently you don't either as you seem entirely incapable of answering a simple question) and I'm not trying to be smart by asking, but I can't get a straight answer.

Can you answer my simple question in your own words? How does the the idea that our solar system originated in a nearby dwarf galaxy as opposed to within the Milky Way give a "greater perspective" to the question of the existence of ET life? I'd appreciate a straight up answer in your own words.

http://www.dailymail...scientists.html

The Milky Way alone is around 100 Light years across.

What? The Milky Way is about 100,000 light years across.

Question: While Hollywood has imagination, and, many people do, is it the height of arrogancy for NASA scientists to state that there "may be microscopic, or very simple life found elsewhere ?

Or, for people in general to, now in the 21st century? What do you think?

I think this line of questioning is a derail to my question about how your opening post has anything to do with extraterrestrial life. You seem to be merely rambling about random subjects now instead of explaining your opening post.

What does Sagittarius D and the (discredited) theory about our sun originating in a nearby dwarf galaxy have to do with our perspective of the issue of the existence of ET life? Are you even capable of answering a direct question like this?

"humanity is the be all and end all of complex lifeform" ?

I challenge you to find a someone who has ever declare or thought that "humanity" is the "be all and end all of complex lifeform". That's a strawman that ET proponents like to think that others think as it's easy to dismiss. But you'll find it hard to find anyone who actually thinks that. Because it's a stupid strawman that no-one actually believes. Edited March 16, 2015 by JesseCuster

[badeskov]

Mr. Custer, here is something for perspectives sake also.

http://www.dailymail...scientists.html

Scientists have detected pathways in between galaxies, forming a giant galactic supercluster.

How does that add any perspective? This is well known, but what do you think it means.

The Milky Way alone is around 100 Light years across.

No, it is roughly 100,000 light years across. But why is that important?

Question: While Hollywood has imagination, and, many people do, is it the height of arrogancy for NASA scientists to state that there "may be microscopic, or very simple life found elsewhere ?

Or, for people in general to, now in the 21st century? What do you think?

This statement is simply idiotic. NASA has stated no such thing. Whatsoever. Such a statement is meant for the planets close enough that we can reach with current technology, i.e. Mars. You really need to get your head out of your behind and learn something before spouting off and making yourself the fool.

NASA has stated nothing whatsoever about the chances of advanced life in other planetary systems, let alone other galaxies. Typical believer nonsense when you can't make a case for your beliefs.

Also just discovered... there is found current micro galaxies surrounding the Milky Way, some of which may be made up of, "Dark Matter".

Again, why is this relevant?

With the prolific knowledge, and weighty evidence we have today of the Universe, what is at the root of the mindset which declares that, "humanity is the be all and end all of complex lifeform" ?

The root mindset is yours, nobody else present on this site holds that opinion to my best understanding. You just don't have the mental ability to make that differentiation, do you?

Also in the recent News, Astronomers have spotted a loose roaming star which is racing across our galaxy at something like 715 miles per second.

Even at that rate of speed, they state it would nevertheless still take it 25 million years to escape the Galaxy.

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So what?

Because, if that is the case for you, that with all this knowledge you nevertheless feel there is no advanced life out there, might I share my perspective, that you may as well be a fundamentalist?

Who said there is no advanced life out there? Nobody but YOU. You either clearly do not know how to read (literally) or your mind can simply not deal with counter arguments and you end up in denial.

Now is the chance to open up, to learn.

Cheers,

Badeskov

[badeskov]

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I challenge you to find a someone who has ever declare or thought that "humanity" is the "be all and end all of complex lifeform". That's a strawman that ET proponents like to think that others think as it's easy to dismiss. But you'll find it hard to find anyone who actually thinks that. Because it's a stupid strawman that no-one actually believes.

Actually, I know of exactly one poster that used to be here at UM that held that opinion. Sadly he is not around anymore to the best of my knowledge, as while I completely disagree with his opinion on life existing elsewhere, he was a well educated poster and added a lot of information to UM in general.

Cheers,

Badeskov

[Holographic60]

http://viewzone2.com/milkywayx.html

"This same sense of shock came as scientists announced that the Sun, the Moon, our planet and its siblings, were not born into the familiar band of stars known as the Milky Way galaxy, but we actually belong to a strange formation with the unfamiliar name of the Sagittarius Dwarf galaxy!

How can this be?"

"If people had infrared-sensitive eyes, the entrails of Sagittarius would be a prominent fixture sweeping across our sky," Majewski said. "But at human, visual wavelengths, they become buried among countless intervening stars and obscuring dust. The great expanse of the Sagittarius system has been hidden from view."

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ScienceDaily (Feb. 26, 2010) -- As many as one quarter of the star clusters in our Milky Way -- many more than previously thought -- are invaders from other galaxies, according to a new study. The report also suggests there may be as many as six dwarf galaxies yet to be discovered within the Milky Way rather than the two that were previously confirmed.

This webpage hosts also a Computer Simulation.