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#136    MissMelsWell

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 04:58 PM

Sand/tar oil is vastly more expensive than ME oil. That's just how it is. In order for it to be even profitable, fuel costs have to rise above $3.50 a gallon (before taxes) and stay there. Right now, sand oil from Canada is losing money from what I've understood.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 05:17 PM

View PostMissMelsWell, on 12 November 2012 - 04:58 PM, said:

Sand/tar oil is vastly more expensive than ME oil. That's just how it is. In order for it to be even profitable, fuel costs have to rise above $3.50 a gallon (before taxes) and stay there. Right now, sand oil from Canada is losing money from what I've understood.

Depends, the break even point is Brent at about $100 per barrel, so today they would earn $7 per barrel, tomorrow that could be way different again.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 07:45 PM

View PostHuttonEtAl, on 08 November 2012 - 04:33 PM, said:

Nope
Being in bed with Obama doesnít make it legitimate.

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Right, Obama supporters short term memory, and the other side doesn't...
Yup.  The other side votes on the real issues.  Thatís the new demographics of this country.  Donít worry about the issues.  Donít worry about the poor track record of the President.  Donít worry, be happy.  Let Papa Bama handle it.

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Of course I remember that stuff. I think you are just making way to big of a deal out of it than you should be. So some people screwed up and people died...happens every day in our military. It has not hurt our military standing in the world. There will always be crazies trying to blow up a car or shoot RPGs at our guys. If you think that any country is going to screw with our military, you are wrong. Oddly enough you do not seem concerned about the terrorist attacks we have here at home. You know, the guy that shot up the movie theater and the guy that shot up the temple? It is the same thing...just some crazy people that managed to pull something off. You do not care about a single thing that happens inside this country.

Of course the death toll for Sandy is low. It should have been. We were tracking the storm for days. People were told in advance to get out. We should have no deaths for a hurricane. The government has failed with Sandy as it did with Katrina and you do not hear about it? That is the exact point I am making. We should be concerned about taking care of our people here, not some crap in Libya. Republicans want to increase military spending when that money should be spent HERE. Our military is fine, trust me.
Wow!  Those last two paragraphs just show how totally unaware Socialists are.  I just donít know if it is out of Ignorance or Apathy?

Ok, so you remember that stuff.  But does it sink in?  It just doesnít click for you as to how important it is.  Clinton and Nixon were both impeached for less.  People die in natural disasters.  You canít stop that but when a President deliberately allows Americans to die for no strategic or tactical gain.  Just left to be sodomized and die.  This just says that any American abroad is opened to be targeted.  Do you understand the gravity of the situation?  But then thatís not it.  There is the cover up.  They screwed up.  Hilary threw herself under the bus for Obama.  It took them 2 weeks to finally admit that it was a terrorist attack (rather than an act of terror).  This just shows how impotent we really are.  Do you not think that our enemies understand this?  But now we have this Petraeus scandal.  Something is fishy with that.  And the non reporting of the Iranian firing on a US drone until after the election.  What more is there?

The point I am making is that you donít hear of the gaffs made by this Administration.  This President can do no wrong, even when Americans are killed.  But the Previous President was vilified because he didnít have that certain charisma in front of the camera.  Obama did no better with Sandy that Bush did with Katrina.  Obama should be reamed just as hard as Bush was.  

A non state entity screwed with this nation.  Bin Laden has shown that it is possible.  And as our military shrinks, will enable more attacks here and abroad.  The only thing that protected us was the fact that we out spent the next 25 nations combined did in defense expenditure.  The more you keep saying that no other nation will mess with us, brings the day that they do, one day closer.  Trust me, our military is not fine.  It is not a static thing.  The enemy is constantly evolving and regrouping waiting for the time to strike.  That is what they do.  

Never said I didnít care about acts of terror committed by US citizens.  Part of the problem is the level of Socialism in our system.  It enables the baser part of ourselves to come out unrestricted by the Responsibility of Citizenship.  Under Socialism, people expect to be controlled by government.  Until we can correct the mindset of this nation by exercising Socialism, weíre going to have to deal with crazies.  Other than setting up a police state, we would have to rely on more citizens carrying their own weapons.

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What should our national budget go to? I think the majority of the money we spend should be on taking care of our people and infastructure. I'm not sure why you are so opposed to this.
It should go to Defense and public works as intended.  The purpose of the government was to allow the people to take care of themselves.  Not become wards of the state.  Youíre biggest error here is putting people and infrastructure together as if they have the same attributes.  They are different things.  People are not like infrastructure.  You just canít throw money at them and expect them to be fine.  Infrastructure is all the same, people are not.  Some people are better, more talented that others and some are worse.  They are not equal and neither will they ever be.

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Why do you say I am a walking billboard for this regime? I am a Liberal...I did not say Obama was perfect and has not made mistakes. Of course it is not all Bush's fault, that would be a stupid claim, but some of it is.
Why do you distract by saying Obama is not perfect?  You say you are a liberal, that is enough to be a walking billboard.

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You make a lot of assumptions about me and Liberals in general...
I can only make assumptions on what you write.  Track record tells me what to expect from liberals in general.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 07:51 PM

View PostRavenHawk, on 12 November 2012 - 07:45 PM, said:

Being in bed with Obama doesn't make it legitimate.


Yup.  The other side votes on the real issues.  That's the new demographics of this country.  Don't worry about the issues.  Don't worry about the poor track record of the President.  Don't worry, be happy.  Let Papa Bama handle it.


Wow!  Those last two paragraphs just show how totally unaware Socialists are.  I just don't know if it is out of Ignorance or Apathy?

Ok, so you remember that stuff.  But does it sink in?  It just doesn't click for you as to how important it is.  Clinton and Nixon were both impeached for less.  People die in natural disasters.  You can't stop that but when a President deliberately allows Americans to die for no strategic or tactical gain.  Just left to be sodomized and die.  This just says that any American abroad is opened to be targeted.  Do you understand the gravity of the situation?  But then that's not it.  There is the cover up.  They screwed up.  Hilary threw herself under the bus for Obama.  It took them 2 weeks to finally admit that it was a terrorist attack (rather than an act of terror).  This just shows how impotent we really are.  Do you not think that our enemies understand this?  But now we have this Petraeus scandal.  Something is fishy with that.  And the non reporting of the Iranian firing on a US drone until after the election.  What more is there?

The point I am making is that you don't hear of the gaffs made by this Administration.  This President can do no wrong, even when Americans are killed.  But the Previous President was vilified because he didn't have that certain charisma in front of the camera.  Obama did no better with Sandy that Bush did with Katrina.  Obama should be reamed just as hard as Bush was.  

A non state entity screwed with this nation.  Bin Laden has shown that it is possible.  And as our military shrinks, will enable more attacks here and abroad.  The only thing that protected us was the fact that we out spent the next 25 nations combined did in defense expenditure.  The more you keep saying that no other nation will mess with us, brings the day that they do, one day closer.  Trust me, our military is not fine.  It is not a static thing.  The enemy is constantly evolving and regrouping waiting for the time to strike.  That is what they do.  

Never said I didn't care about acts of terror committed by US citizens.  Part of the problem is the level of Socialism in our system.  It enables the baser part of ourselves to come out unrestricted by the Responsibility of Citizenship.  Under Socialism, people expect to be controlled by government.  Until we can correct the mindset of this nation by exercising Socialism, we're going to have to deal with crazies.  Other than setting up a police state, we would have to rely on more citizens carrying their own weapons.


It should go to Defense and public works as intended.  The purpose of the government was to allow the people to take care of themselves.  Not become wards of the state.  You're biggest error here is putting people and infrastructure together as if they have the same attributes.  They are different things.  People are not like infrastructure.  You just can't throw money at them and expect them to be fine.  Infrastructure is all the same, people are not.  Some people are better, more talented that others and some are worse.  They are not equal and neither will they ever be.


Why do you distract by saying Obama is not perfect?  You say you are a liberal, that is enough to be a walking billboard.


I can only make assumptions on what you write.  Track record tells me what to expect from liberals in general.

Why do you keep harping on about socialism?Obama is about as Socialist as the Republican Party.......

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 08:14 PM

Obama is just liberal, and he's not even all that liberal. The state I live in is WAY more liberal than Obama ever will be.

I wonder if republicans know how idiotic they sound when they call him a socialist. I'm guessing no, or they'd stop doing it. LOL.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 08:21 PM

View PostMissMelsWell, on 12 November 2012 - 08:14 PM, said:

Obama is just liberal, and he's not even all that liberal. The state I live in is WAY more liberal than Obama ever will be.

I wonder if republicans know how idiotic they sound when they call him a socialist. I'm guessing no, or they'd stop doing it. LOL.

In view of the fact that they seldom blush I doubt they know the crap they are spouting...

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 08:26 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 12 November 2012 - 08:21 PM, said:

In view of the fact that they seldom blush I doubt they know the crap they are spouting...
I don't know exactly who you are refering to.  I'm not calling him a socialist...he is a Statist...he has deep Communist Sympathizing Roots from his Youth....He is a Statist.  The Government first, last and in the middle...call him or don't call him whatever you want.  The term for people like him is Statist!  He believes in the power of the state over the power of the people.  Don't get your panties in an uproar over labels. :w00t:

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 08:41 PM

View Postshaddow134, on 12 November 2012 - 07:51 PM, said:

Why do you keep harping on about socialism?Obama is about as Socialist as the Republican Party.......
Why do I harp?  Because he is Socialist.  Everything he has said and done is Socialism.  And Socialism is the enemy of our Constitution.  That is why.  The Democratic Party, no longer exists.  It has been replaced by the Socialist Party of America.  Why canít they come clean and be honest for once?  France, Italy, Norway are all proud of their Socialist parties.  Wasnít Obamacare enough of a clue for you?  A government that can tell us what we can do with our own bodies is a government that has gone too far.  And that is the basic definition of any Oligarchy no matter how benevolent.  From a Socialist Democracy to Totalitarianism.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 08:51 PM

View Postjoc, on 12 November 2012 - 08:26 PM, said:

I don't know exactly who you are refering to.  I'm not calling him a socialist...he is a Statist...he has deep Communist Sympathizing Roots from his Youth....He is a Statist.  The Government first, last and in the middle...call him or don't call him whatever you want.  The term for people like him is Statist!  He believes in the power of the state over the power of the people.  Don't get your panties in an uproar over labels. :w00t:
It doesnít really matter.  Socialist, Statist, deep Communists (Marxist, Fascist, Nazi, Dictator, King, Potentate, or even Democracy), itís all the same.  Where it matters, it is all the same.  We could sit here and have a long discussion on the differences of all the flavors of Oligarchy but the bottom line is that the longer that these forms of government stay in power, they take more power from the people until the government has total power over the people.  This was the purpose of the Founding Fathers establishing the Constitution, to ensure the Rights of the People was not infringed upon by the government (for whatever reason, benevolent or not).  Now with over a century of Socialism creeping into our system, people cannot tell what Socialism is.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 08:53 PM

You guys crack me. Really. You do.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:10 PM

View PostMissMelsWell, on 12 November 2012 - 08:53 PM, said:

You guys crack me. Really. You do.
So, you think everything is just hunky-dory in America?  Really?  I'm sorry, that doesn't crack me up...that makes me sad. :(

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 01:28 AM

View PostCapt Amerika, on 12 November 2012 - 01:53 PM, said:

Reid just announced that as a first order of business the debt ceiling is to be raised by 2.5 Trillion dollars.

apparently you fail to realize that the "debt ceiling" and the deficit are very different things.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 01:58 AM

View Postjoc, on 12 November 2012 - 09:10 PM, said:

So, you think everything is just hunky-dory in America?  Really?  I'm sorry, that doesn't crack me up...that makes me sad. :(

I'm pretty sure I never said that... what I said, is that it's not as bad as you're flailing and writhing on the floor about.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 04:10 AM

View PostMissMelsWell, on 13 November 2012 - 01:58 AM, said:

I'm pretty sure I never said that... what I said, is that it's not as bad as you're flailing and writhing on the floor about.
It is though you are sitting in the living room and I am telling you the back porch is on fire.   You seem not to be worried about the porch at all...when you just have to know that it is going to be in your living room sooner than later.

Okay, let me ask you another question.  You can't afford your operation right?  So what sense does it make for your husband to come home with a $250,000 boat he bought on credit, pulled by an $80,000 BMW also bought on credit.   And then he says, pack up our bags MisMelsWell...we're moving to Beverly Hills...I just bought a Seven Million dollar mansion....on credit.  You would throw an absolute hissy fit!  And then he would be all like...it's not as bad as you're flailing and writhing on the floor about.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 04:12 AM

View Postninjadude, on 13 November 2012 - 01:28 AM, said:

apparently you fail to realize that the "debt ceiling" and the deficit are very different things.
Apparently you fail to realize that we cannot continue spending trillions we don't have...who are you...you don't think right.

...and by the way....this is for getting 'en vogue' with me....



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