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#16    Aus Der Box Skeptisch

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 06:09 AM

Knowing what a spirit knows and whether sense of time is known is pure conjecture. We haven't even proven the existence of spirits let alone their mindset.
I've had oddities happen in my time for me to keep an open mind. But actual physical empirical proof yet alludes me.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 06:13 AM

That said it may be that darkness could enhance physical and audio signals to our brain. Again though that's subjective I suppose. Lights off necessary? I don't know. Much more fun? Absolutely.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 03:42 PM

View Postdocyabut2, on 03 May 2013 - 12:42 AM, said:

I believe it that light of energy they are looking for, that can only be seen in the dark.
Light can only be seen in the dark?

Seriously?

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 03:44 PM

View PostAus Der Box Skeptisch, on 04 May 2013 - 06:09 AM, said:

Knowing what a spirit knows and whether sense of time is known is pure conjecture. We haven't even proven the existence of spirits let alone their mindset.
I've had oddities happen in my time for me to keep an open mind. But actual physical empirical proof yet alludes me.

I understand what you're saying, however the theory of gravity is pure conjecture, as is the big bang theory. It is a theory, the same as any other. Do you have any physical proof of gravity? It is an invisible force that we assume exists.


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Posted 04 May 2013 - 03:47 PM

View PostSimbi Laveau, on 03 May 2013 - 04:51 AM, said:

Something about energy being captured on film more easily .
What do you mean by "energy"?  That's thrown around in these forums with wild abandon as some sort of catch-all phrase for something that nobody can clearly define.

Photographic film does indeed "capture" energy.  Light energy.  Which is what it's designed to do.  As does the CCD chip in a digital camera.  And there are of course CCD chips and film that are designed to specifically capture EM energy outside of human capability, like IR cameras.

What kind of energy exactly are you talking about?  Sound transmits energy.  Electricity is energy.  Heat is energy.  Light is energy.  X-rays are energy. Etc,

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 03:52 PM

View PostAlisdair.MacDonald, on 04 May 2013 - 03:44 PM, said:

I understand what you're saying, however the theory of gravity is pure conjecture,
No, it's not.

You don't put space shuttles, space stations, communications satellites, deep space probes, etc. successfully into orbit, on long term deep space exploration missions, etc. on the basis of "pure conjecture".

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 04:11 PM

View PostArchimedes, on 04 May 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:

No, it's not.

You don't put space shuttles, space stations, communications satellites, deep space probes, etc. successfully into orbit, on long term deep space exploration missions, etc. on the basis of "pure conjecture".

Yes it is. That is why it is called "The theory of gravity"..but i'm not going to go back and forth on it.


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Posted 04 May 2013 - 06:21 PM

OMG someone does not know the difference between theory, hypothesis and plain old guessing.  Go check out theory, it means it's pretty much a proven concept but open to further exploration.

You don't have a "theory" on spirits you have an idea that's it.  Maybe with some effort and research you could form a hypothesis, but a theory no sir.

And gravity....yah it's demonstratable....ghost's thought process not so much.

Edited by CakeOrDeath, 04 May 2013 - 06:24 PM.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 07:43 PM

View PostCakeOrDeath, on 04 May 2013 - 06:21 PM, said:

OMG someone does not know the difference between theory, hypothesis and plain old guessing.  Go check out theory, it means it's pretty much a proven concept but open to further exploration.

You don't have a "theory" on spirits you have an idea that's it.  Maybe with some effort and research you could form a hypothesis, but a theory no sir.

And gravity....yah it's demonstratable....ghost's thought process not so much.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 02:17 AM

If ever there was a time for a facepalm.... couple of choice excerpts hahah

1 - Gravity totally fails to explain why Saturn has rings and Jupiter does not. It utterly fails to account for obesity. In fact, what it does “explain” is far out-weighed by what it does not explain.

2 - It is not even clear why we need a theory of gravity -- there is not a single mention in the Bible, and the patriotic founding fathers never referred to it.

Absolutely priceless.... at least we have an idea where you get your source materials  hehe.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 02:22 AM

View PostAlisdair.MacDonald, on 01 May 2013 - 07:23 PM, said:

I open this up to believers and skeptics alike.

While investigating the paranormal, why do ghost hunters always turn out the lights?

If you're trying to capture evidence, wouldn't it be better to keep the lights on?

Or is it something about the darkness that make ghouls and ghosts more active?

We have a natural fear of the dark as human beings. While trying to be 'scientific' (i use that word loosely) wouldn't it make more sense to eliminate the possibility of one's mind being influenced by our own imagination?

Instead of taking what you see on television as gospel for what everybody does, I'd urge you to approach groups that actually take their investigations seriously and question them. Don't be another lazy keyboard warrior skeptic.

Edited by Heaven Is A Halfpipe, 05 May 2013 - 02:29 AM.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 02:36 AM

View PostHeaven Is A Halfpipe, on 05 May 2013 - 02:22 AM, said:

Instead of taking what you see on television as gospel for what everybody does, I'd urge you to approach groups that actually take their investigations seriously and question them. Don't be another lazy keyboard warrior skeptic.

I'm not actually a skeptic. That doesn't mean I don't try to be scientific about things and look for all possible explanations for what people may or may not be experiencing. Personally I am sick to death of television programs on the subject. I don't know where you're basing your criticisms, but you're not even close.

I'm being lazy because I am using the appropriate forum to ask a legitimate question?


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 08:46 PM

View PostAlisdair.MacDonald, on 03 May 2013 - 03:02 AM, said:

Well. Thanks for your opinion, anything to say on the topic, or did you just come here to troll?

Actually, yeah I do.

You shouldn't post the same topic twice.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 09:17 PM

I've always believed that most paranormal investigating is done in darkness because of our reliance on our sense of sight.  In total darkness our other senses are heightened.  We tend to listen more closely, detect unusual smells quicker, etc, basically we pay closer attention to our surroundings.  Of course I have no idea if this is the "true" reason people hunt ghosts in the dark, but it's my mindset in the paranormal group I'm in.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 11:11 PM

View PostAlisdair.MacDonald, on 04 May 2013 - 04:11 PM, said:

Yes it is. That is why it is called "The theory of gravity"..but i'm not going to go back and forth on it.
No, that is entirely wrong.

The word 'theory' is merely a word.  It has various meanings.  One meaning, in the context of science, is that of a rigid framework with evidential backing to model or explain something like evolution, gravity, quantum physics, etc.  The reason people talk about a "theory of gravity" is because they are using theory in the way it is used by scientists, not in the everyday meaning some people use that means a mere hypothesis.

You are engaging in the fallacy of equivocation in which someone uses a particular definition of a word in a situation where another definition of the same word is meant to be used.  You think that because one meaning of the word "theory" is that which my dictionary describes as "a speculative view" means that the "theory of gravity" is therefore a "speculative view".  However, my dictionary also offers a definition for theory meaning "a system of ideas explaining something" which is the context in which scientists use the word.  You are using the wrong definition in this context.

Anyway, you didn't actually adress my overall point.  If the theory of gravity (there isn't a single theory BTW, sometimes Newton's theory is used even though Einstein's is superior because Newton's theory is simpler and works perfectly fine in non-extreme situations) is "pure conjecture" then how do the things I mentioned above - space probes, moon missions, etc. work?  You can't put a man on the moon, land a rover on Mars, calculate planetary orbits, use a gravitational slingshot to re-aim a deep space probe, etc. on the basis of "pure conjecture".

Edited by Archimedes, 07 May 2013 - 11:16 PM.

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