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#4351    booNyzarC

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 08:09 PM

View Postzoser, on 23 November 2012 - 08:06 PM, said:

LOL Boon; your really funny :w00t:

That wasn't for your benefit zoser, it was for the benefit of anyone else who follows this TT thread of yours.  You're far too resistant to prosaic explanations for those links to shake your faith, but there are others more open to reason who might find them of value.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 08:12 PM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 23 November 2012 - 08:09 PM, said:

That wasn't for your benefit zoser, it was for the benefit of anyone else who follows this TT thread of yours.  You're far too resistant to prosaic explanations for those links to shake your faith, but there are others more open to reason who might find them of value.

Cheers.

I thought this case would attract your attention.  It's certainly a good one isn't it?  I'm just going to look at the other two youtube clips.  BRB

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 08:22 PM

Interestingly here is another one; from a couple of years later in the same area:

It looks as if the uploader has attached the 2007 footage to the front of the clip.  Did he do that to allow comparison with the object further on in the clip?  I'm not sure.  The second object looks intriguing in itself.



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Posted 23 November 2012 - 08:30 PM

The analysis in the following clip refers to two objects either side of the main object that fade out.  Not sure if this is on the clip posted on the last page but it would certainly be interesting to see.


Explanation of Kumburgaz UFO Video -TURKEY (2)

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 08:53 PM

Information on the analysis of the Turkey footage:

SUMMARY OF THE CASE This case developed in the location of Kumburgaz between the years 2007, 2008 and 2009. Its main witness was a night guard named Yalcin Yalman, while on duty who registered on video these estrange objects that appeared at sunrise like floating or changing while in flight over the sea coast of Marmara. Yalman was able to film many video segments, some during day light accompanied by witnesses with whom he spoke to while he was filming.

One singularity of this case was that the images were made with a camera that had an adaptor for close ups of 200X, achieving a great amount of details of the objects. At first, the videos were analysed and made public by the SIRIUS UFO organization, directed by the researcher Haktan Akdogan.

This case made big news in Turkey and in other countries as well. It also started a great debate between the official members of the Turkish scientific community. Specifically the NATIONAL COUNCIL FOR THE STUDY OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY (TUBITAK) got interested in analysing the original footage, with the intention of determining that the video was nothing more than a hoax, gambling on the idea of scale models or toys, or CGI.

The original tape was handed to the TUBITAK representatives on live TV in their own headquarters. Once the analysis concluded, they gave an official report, from which we took the following fragment: "The objects observed on the images have a structure made of a specific material and definitely itís no any kind of CGI animation or in any means a type of special effects used for simulation in a studio or for video effects. So the conclusion of this report is that the observations are not a model, maquette or a fraud".

At the last part of the report, it's concluded that the objects observed have a physical structure and are made of materials that donít belong to any category (airplanes, helicopters, meteors, Venus, Mars, Satellites, artificial lights, Chinese lanterns, etc.) and that it mostly fits in the category of UFO's (Unidentified Flying Objects and of unknown origin).

Other analysis were done by video specialist, image edition and special effect companies from Japan, Russia and Turkey, all ending up with the same conclusions. In Chile, I ask professor José Atenas for his cooperation, expert in graphics and video edition, with more than 30 years of experience on television, to technically examine the videos.

In his appreciation, José Atenas also came to the same conclusions that the images are authentic.

So far nobody has been able to demonstrate that the recordings are product of tricks or some type of manipulation.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 08:54 PM

Hmm...  I could see removal of the picture, but the whole post?  Odd, but okay.


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Posted 23 November 2012 - 08:57 PM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 23 November 2012 - 08:54 PM, said:

Hmm...  I could see removal of the picture, but the whole post?  Odd, but okay.

Can we stick to the subject Boon please?  There's a lot to be gained; I seriously doubt whether anyone is analysing these cases as seriously as they are being looked at here.  :tu:

Take a look at my last post.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 09:09 PM

View Postzoser, on 23 November 2012 - 08:57 PM, said:

Can we stick to the subject Boon please?  There's a lot to be gained; I seriously doubt whether anyone is analysing these cases as seriously as they are being looked at here.  :tu:

Take a look at my last post.

My removed post was sticking to the subject, for the most part.  It was me expressing my opinion about the case.  The picture wasn't, I'll give you that much, but my criticism of the footage is valid and my criticism of Dr. Leir and Jaime Maussan's treatment of the footage is also valid.

As for your mentioned post, I preemptively dealt with that argument with Linky Dinky 3.  How you might ask?  Well, nobody is saying that the video was edited or manipulated.  That's all the analysis you reference showed.  It doesn't prove that it is extraterrestrial, nor does it even prove that it was flying.

The other links I've provided give very strong arguments for concluding that the footage is of a ship on the water.


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Posted 23 November 2012 - 09:34 PM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 23 November 2012 - 09:09 PM, said:

My removed post was sticking to the subject, for the most part.  It was me expressing my opinion about the case.  The picture wasn't, I'll give you that much, but my criticism of the footage is valid and my criticism of Dr. Leir and Jaime Maussan's treatment of the footage is also valid.

As for your mentioned post, I preemptively dealt with that argument with Linky Dinky 3.  How you might ask?  Well, nobody is saying that the video was edited or manipulated.  That's all the analysis you reference showed.  It doesn't prove that it is extraterrestrial, nor does it even prove that it was flying.

The other links I've provided give very strong arguments for concluding that the footage is of a ship on the water.

OK; I'll take a look at them tomorrow and give you my feedback.  Seriously though it is an interesting case.  I have not found the footage showing the two other objects either side of the main object yet.

What of the 'alien creatures' in the viewing window?  I honestly don't know what to make of this because of the irony of it.  On the one hand it can give the impression of some cynical hoax.  On the other hand if you wanted to create the ideal hoax would you have put two aliens in the clip?  I don't know what to make of that one.

Maybe someone will find some further information on the case while I get some shut eye?  I certainly would love to know more.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 04:21 AM

View Postzoser, on 23 November 2012 - 09:34 PM, said:

OK; I'll take a look at them tomorrow and give you my feedback.  Seriously though it is an interesting case.  I have not found the footage showing the two other objects either side of the main object yet.

What of the 'alien creatures' in the viewing window?  I honestly don't know what to make of this because of the irony of it.  On the one hand it can give the impression of some cynical hoax.  On the other hand if you wanted to create the ideal hoax would you have put two aliens in the clip?  I don't know what to make of that one.

Maybe someone will find some further information on the case while I get some shut eye?  I certainly would love to know more.
I looked at these when they first came out.
IMHO they're as fake as a 3 dollar bill.
How could you see aliens in a viewing window.  Ever notice that aircraft cockpits, and car interiors for that matter are dark at night?  It's so you can see out the windows.  With the lights on the windows become mirrors and the occupants can't see out.  If there were aliens looking out they would have had the lights off.
These are fake.  They may be verified that they are actual videos of something and not CGI, but the sure are not ETV's

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This is how deep truths are winnowed from deep nonsense. -- Carl Sagan

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 04:24 PM

View Postsynchronomy, on 24 November 2012 - 04:21 AM, said:

I looked at these when they first came out.
IMHO they're as fake as a 3 dollar bill.
How could you see aliens in a viewing window.  Ever notice that aircraft cockpits, and car interiors for that matter are dark at night?  It's so you can see out the windows.  With the lights on the windows become mirrors and the occupants can't see out.  If there were aliens looking out they would have had the lights off.
These are fake.  They may be verified that they are actual videos of something and not CGI, but the sure are not ETV's

It's real.

There were apparently at least 12 witnesses, one of which was Roger Leir,

It's just worth browsing though though these links to pick up various details and who witnessed it.

http://turkeyufocase.blogspot.com/

http://turkeyufocase...interviews.html

http://www.facebook.com/Turkeyufocase

http://www.youtube.c...&v=Hy6IYwcf3_k#!

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 04:52 PM

It's as real as rabbit stew.   Too many witnesses, and the case as been scrutinised by many authorities.  This is it.

This is the case that those on the fence have been waiting for; maybe you saw it a few years ago and passed it by.  My advice is look at it again now that more information has come to light and more analysis has been done.

This case is the capstone of the entire thread.  It began with dear Jesse Roestenburg from Staffordshire England, and it culminates on the Sea of Marmara in Turkey.

If you are still unsure, scan the links in the above post.



If I were to make one more observation it would be that there is a point in this clip where the lights resemble the object seen in the Yuma footage and even the Denbigh and Fraserburgh cases.  Maybe ET was completing some kind of US- European tour?

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 05:34 PM

Kumburgaz Turkey:

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 05:42 PM

I have to say they do look interesting. I really don't think they look like an aircraft or plane, whatever valiant efforts people may make to convince us, and there does seem to be very much a similarity.So the question must surely be, could it be a fake? if it had been just one picture or viedo that would be not implausible, but there do seem to be multiple witnesses. So, might it be something Scretive and military? (in that top picture, it looks as if it might possibly be a flying wing style shape)? Or if not, then what?

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 05:49 PM

View Post747400, on 24 November 2012 - 05:42 PM, said:

I have to say they do look interesting. I really don't think they look like an aircraft or plane, whatever valiant efforts people may make to convince us, and there does seem to be very much a similarity.So the question must surely be, could it be a fake? if it had been just one picture or viedo that would be not implausible, but there do seem to be multiple witnesses. So, might it be something Scretive and military? (in that top picture, it looks as if it might possibly be a flying wing style shape)? Or if not, then what?

Good question.  The Kumurgaz case is very well supported.  Don't forget that the sightings lasted a long time; it should not be regarded as an isolated one off incident.

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