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Peregrine Falcon Kills Duck Midair


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#16    redhen

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 12:17 AM

View Postealdwita, on 10 May 2013 - 11:58 PM, said:

The differences between falconry and the other 'blood sports' you mentioned are - Firstly, the raptor is acting naturally and hunting for its food as it would in the wild.

as would trained or feral dog packs.

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Secondly, the kill is always clean and practically instant - a better death than facing the slaughterman's axe in a vast, noisy shed after a long journey crated up in a lorry.

Always clean? see below.

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As far as hunting with dogs goes, as an ex-foxhunter myself, I will admit I cannot make a case for it that would satisfy a non-huntsman, so I'll not try, but neither will I accept that embedding a barbed hook in a fish's mouth and dragging it around a lake, is acceptable merely because it's traditionally looked upon as a 'working-man's' pastime.

Both are acts of unnecessary pain, suffering and death, which is the legal definition of animal cruelty.

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And I can assure you, I am neither rich nor a member of the Nobility!

Ok, I'll buy that. But I submit that if you mention falconry to the layman, they will conjure up images of romantic notions of medieval life.

I'm not that familiar with falconry practices, so I wonder how these predatory avians discern the difference between "game" animals and someones pet?  To me it seems as indiscriminate as a snare or leghold trap.


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Posted 11 May 2013 - 12:22 AM

This is f'd up.....If the bird had never been a " pet " this would never have happened....( found it looking at other falcon vids )




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Posted 11 May 2013 - 01:12 AM

View PostSakari, on 11 May 2013 - 12:22 AM, said:

This is f'd up.....If the bird had never been a " pet " this would never have happened....( found it looking at other falcon vids )

That's why the British Columbia SPCA is against falconry hunting.

I had a hunch why some people take up falconry. If you do a search for falconry and manliness or manly, you'll see lots of sites anf forums like this one.

Oooh, how manly.


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Posted 11 May 2013 - 05:01 AM

Semi related, I live in British Columbia.

About two weeks ago, I saw a bald eagle strike and kill a merganser in the middle of the river I live in front of. Kept it in it's claws as it swam it to shore. Two days ago, the same eagle took a spawning salmon, same thing.

The eagles live downstream in a huge nest 100 feet up in a cottonwood tree. They are an impressive bit of nature.

But, let's just say that I managed to attach a POV camera to that eagle  while it conducted it's kills. Because the eagle's are not tamed that would be an awesome nature documentary. Attach the same camera to a semi-tamed falcon that kills a duck, then it's a blood sport.

Pardon me, while I sit on both sides of this fence. :)

Edited for clarity: If your falcon brings back the duck for you and him to eat, it's not a blood sport. If it just killed a duck for you, for entertainment, you should be charged.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 10:25 AM

View PostLikely Guy, on 11 May 2013 - 05:01 AM, said:

Semi related, I live in British Columbia.

About two weeks ago, I saw a bald eagle strike and kill a merganser in the middle of the river I live in front of. Kept it in it's claws as it swam it to shore. Two days ago, the same eagle took a spawning salmon, same thing.

The eagles live downstream in a huge nest 100 feet up in a cottonwood tree. They are an impressive bit of nature.

But, let's just say that I managed to attach a POV camera to that eagle  while it conducted it's kills. Because the eagle's are not tamed that would be an awesome nature documentary. Attach the same camera to a semi-tamed falcon that kills a duck, then it's a blood sport.

Pardon me, while I sit on both sides of this fence. :)

Edited for clarity: If your falcon brings back the duck for you and him to eat, it's not a blood sport. If it just killed a duck for you, for entertainment, you should be charged.
birds of prey have always needed to kill thats why they are called birds of prey.


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 10:30 AM

View Postredhen, on 10 May 2013 - 10:26 PM, said:

So what kind of birds (that your hunting bird brings you) end up your table, I'm genuinely curious?



What, about the dogs bringing down game animals? What's the ethical difference between falconry and bear/bull/hog baiting?

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Theres probably more ducks than falcons or any bird of prey, like wise more dogs than foxes.


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 11:44 AM

View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 12 May 2013 - 10:30 AM, said:

Theres probably more ducks than falcons or any bird of prey, like wise more dogs than foxes.

Hi Dick, (Nixon was a great president, imho). I assume you're responding to the moral difference question I posed. I understand your reasoning but I don't accept it.

By your logic, since there are more wild boar in the world than tigers, one should be allowed to hunt boars with tigers. Is that what you're saying? In general, if the predator species has less numbers than the game species, it's morally ok to hunt with them.

The UK Hunting Act of 2004 makes it a crime to use dogs to hunt foxes. Nowhere in the legislation is the argument given that there are less foxes than dogs, therefore they cannot be used to hunt. It's not based on animal population, it's based on protection of wildlife and previous animal cruelty laws.

Thanks for taking the time to give your opinion. I'd still like to hear from a practicing falconer like ealdwita.


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 06:57 PM

View Postredhen, on 12 May 2013 - 11:44 AM, said:

Hi Dick, (Nixon was a great president, imho). I assume you're responding to the moral difference question I posed. I understand your reasoning but I don't accept it.

By your logic, since there are more wild boar in the world than tigers, one should be allowed to hunt boars with tigers. Is that what you're saying? In general, if the predator species has less numbers than the game species, it's morally ok to hunt with them.

The UK Hunting Act of 2004 makes it a crime to use dogs to hunt foxes. Nowhere in the legislation is the argument given that there are less foxes than dogs, therefore they cannot be used to hunt. It's not based on animal population, it's based on protection of wildlife and previous animal cruelty laws.

Thanks for taking the time to give your opinion. I'd still like to hear from a practicing falconer like ealdwita.
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