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#16    docyabut2

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 05:19 AM

Exd 20.4 Moses -Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:


So why make a gorified ark with angels on it?


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Posted 30 August 2012 - 07:23 AM

 lightly, on 26 August 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:

i think it's interesting that we use the word  (spelled) Arc   to describe an electrical spark leaping from one electrode (conductor) to another.


If I recall correctly, Ark comes from the Latin arcere- to hold. More specifically in the form arca- referring to a chest or coffer. (I can't remember my conjugates and all that. It's been a while since my Latin classes)
Arc comes from the Latin acrus, meaning bow, arch, or curve.

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 07:25 AM

 docyabut2, on 30 August 2012 - 05:19 AM, said:

Exd 20.4 Moses -Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:


So why make a gorified ark with angels on it?
because it's the obvious exception to the run.


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Posted 30 August 2012 - 07:27 AM

 docyabut2, on 26 August 2012 - 02:14 PM, said:

I believe the ark was a drum.

I believe the ark was a velociraptor.

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 08:35 AM

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 10:27 AM

 Imaginarynumber1, on 30 August 2012 - 07:23 AM, said:

If I recall correctly, Ark comes from the Latin arcere- to hold. More specifically in the form arca- referring to a chest or coffer. (I can't remember my conjugates and all that. It's been a while since my Latin classes)
Arc comes from the Latin acrus, meaning bow, arch, or curve.

Just putting that out there.
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Posted 31 August 2012 - 08:51 PM

The Bible contains precise instructions for building an Ark of the Covenant. If you follow them, you will end up with a decorated wooden box of a certain size slung from two poles. It is not in any way a technological device, nor is any hint given that it's supposed to be - it's just a box which is magic because it contains bits of broken rock allegedly touched by God. Other boxes made from the same type of wood and of the same dimensions are not in any way special. And the only reason it has to be that particular size and shape is that Old Testament God apparently suffers from OCD, and constantly gives incredibly detailed control-freak orders to everyone. Seriously, the Creator of the Universe is going to be seriously inconvenienced if Jews combine meat and dairy products in the same meal? Obviously he's not altogether well! Also, he thinks insects have four legs.

So what it comes down to is, either you believe the Old Testament to be literally true, in which case the ARk killed people and did various other things for reasons that have nothing to do with science, and everything to do with it being a literal box of God. In which case you believe all manner of things because your religion says you must, and there's no point in discussing this. Or you assume the Old Testament isn't necessarily true, in which case the Ark is a box of rocks about which people told stories because it was meant to be awesomely holy. I repeat, there is zero indication that this is a technological device, or that it works by anything other than sacred magic. And if you don't believe that God slaughtered the first-born son of every family in Egypt or turned Lot's wife into salt for looking in the wrong direction, you have no reason to believe that God also killed people as a punishment for accidentally touching his special private toy-box.

Note also that the Holy of Holies in the Temple of Jerusalem was a completely empty room that would supposedly smite anyone who entered it, ever, apart from the Chief Rabbi on one special day every year. Obviously this was seldom put to the test, so for all they knew it worked. But what is being specifically described here is an empty room. No mysterious technology or "Baghdad batteries", and no hint of any - the room, like the box, kills you because it contains God. And if you don't believe that, it doesn't do anything at all. End of story, unless you believe a certain popular movie starring Harrison Ford to be a documentary.


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Posted 31 August 2012 - 11:01 PM

Would the Hebrews build anything simliar to the Egyptians?, I don`t really believe so, perhaps the writers of Exodus wanted to gorified the drum ark  Moses did make and the second ark really didn`nt exsist .


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Posted 31 August 2012 - 11:32 PM

I was figureing how Moses in the wilderness with  tools would build such a ark with the voice of God in it.  He would have carved out a tree stump that was lying around  and put a animal skin over it making a drum.

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 04:11 AM

 E. L. Wisty, on 31 August 2012 - 08:51 PM, said:

The Bible contains precise instructions for building an Ark of the Covenant. If you follow them, you will end up with a decorated wooden box of a certain size slung from two poles. It is not in any way a technological device, nor is any hint given that it's supposed to be - it's just a box which is magic because it contains bits of broken rock allegedly touched by God. Other boxes made from the same type of wood and of the same dimensions are not in any way special. And the only reason it has to be that particular size and shape is that Old Testament God apparently suffers from OCD, and constantly gives incredibly detailed control-freak orders to everyone. Seriously, the Creator of the Universe is going to be seriously inconvenienced if Jews combine meat and dairy products in the same meal? Obviously he's not altogether well! Also, he thinks insects have four legs.

So what it comes down to is, either you believe the Old Testament to be literally true, in which case the ARk killed people and did various other things for reasons that have nothing to do with science, and everything to do with it being a literal box of God. In which case you believe all manner of things because your religion says you must, and there's no point in discussing this. Or you assume the Old Testament isn't necessarily true, in which case the Ark is a box of rocks about which people told stories because it was meant to be awesomely holy. I repeat, there is zero indication that this is a technological device, or that it works by anything other than sacred magic. And if you don't believe that God slaughtered the first-born son of every family in Egypt or turned Lot's wife into salt for looking in the wrong direction, you have no reason to believe that God also killed people as a punishment for accidentally touching his special private toy-box.

Note also that the Holy of Holies in the Temple of Jerusalem was a completely empty room that would supposedly smite anyone who entered it, ever, apart from the Chief Rabbi on one special day every year. Obviously this was seldom put to the test, so for all they knew it worked. But what is being specifically described here is an empty room. No mysterious technology or "Baghdad batteries", and no hint of any - the room, like the box, kills you because it contains God. And if you don't believe that, it doesn't do anything at all. End of story, unless you believe a certain popular movie starring Harrison Ford to be a documentary.

Mr. Wisty, yours is perhaps the only post necessary in this discussion. Damn nice job. :tu:

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 01:45 PM

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Mr. von Daniken claims (COTG, p. 58) that the gold-covered Ark of the Covenant in the Old Testament was an electrically charged condenser "perhaps even the kind of set for communication between Moses and the space-ship" (what space-ship?). "Without actually consulting Exodus," he writes, "I seem to remember that the Ark was often surrounded by flashing sparks and that Moses made use of this ‘transmitter’ whenever he needed help and advice."
I did consult Exodus and found no mention of flashing sparks or anything that sounded remotely like Moses using a transmitter. There are detailed instructions for making the Ark out of shittim wood and gold – instructions which, if followed today (according to Mr. von Daniken), produce "a voltage of several hundred volts."
The film "Chariots of the Gods" went one step further. It showed a replica of the Ark, made by "a group of Minnesota college students," which produced a dangerous electrical charge.
Dr. Peter White, a lecturer in anthropology at Sydney University who is writing an anti-Daniken book titled "The Man-Made past," took the trouble to ask about this project at the University of Minnesota. The archivist at the university library made extensive enquiries, but was unable to locate an Ark of the Covenant project.
When I asked Mr. von Daniken about it, he said: "It was some high school in Michigan."

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The Ethiopian Orthodox Church claims to possess the Ark of the Covenant, or Tabot, in Axum, not far from the border with Eritrea. The object is currently kept under guard in a treasury near the Church of Our Lady Mary of Zion and is used occasionally in ritual processions.[23] Replicas of the Axum tabot are kept in every Ethiopian church, each with its own dedication to a particular saint, the most popular of these include Mary, George and Michael.[24]
The Kebra Nagast, composed to legitimise the new dynasty ruling Ethiopia following its establishment in 1270, narrates how the real Ark of the Covenant was brought to Ethiopia by Menelik I with divine assistance, while a forgery was left in the Temple in Jerusalem. Although the Kebra Nagast is the best-known account of this belief, the belief predates the document. Abu Salih the Armenian, writing in the last quarter of the twelfth century, makes one early reference to this belief that they possessed the Ark. "The Abyssinians possess also the Ark of the Covenant", he wrote, and, after a description of the object, describes how the liturgy is celebrated upon the Ark four times a year, "on the feast of the great nativity, on the feast of the glorious Baptism, on the feast of the holy Resurrection, and on the feast of the illuminating Cross."[25]
On 25 June 2009, the patriarch of the Orthodox Church of Ethiopia, Abune Paulos, said he would announce to the world the next day the unveiling of the Ark of the Covenant, which he said had been kept safe and secure in a church in Axum, Ethiopia.[26] The following day, on 26 June 2009, the patriarch announced that he would not unveil the Ark after all, but that instead he could attest to its current status.[27]


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The Lemba people of South Africa and Zimbabwe have claimed that their ancestors carried the Ark south, calling it the ngoma lungundu or "voice of God", eventually hiding it in a deep cave in the Dumghe mountains, their spiritual home.[28][29]
On 14 April 2008, in a UK Channel 4 documentary, Tudor Parfitt, taking a literalist approach to the Biblical story, described his research into this claim. He says that the object described by the Lemba has attributes similar to the Ark. It was of similar size, was carried on poles by priests, was not allowed to touch the ground, was revered as a voice of their God, and was used as a weapon of great power, sweeping enemies aside.[30]
In his book The Lost Ark of the Covenant (2008), Parfitt also suggests that the Ark was taken to Arabia following the events depicted in the Second Book of Maccabees, and cites Arabic sources which maintain it was brought in distant times to Yemen. One Lemba clan, the Buba, which was supposed to have brought the Ark to Africa, have a genetic signature called the Cohen Modal Haplotype. This suggests a male Semitic link to the Levant. Lemba tradition maintains that the Ark spent some time in Sena in Yemen. Later, it was taken across the sea to East Africa and may have been taken inland at the time of the Great Zimbabwe civilization. According to their oral traditions, some time after the arrival of the Lemba with the Ark, it self-destructed. Using a core from the original, the Lemba priests constructed a new one. This replica was discovered in a cave by a Swedish German missionary named Harald von Sicard in the 1940s and eventually found its way to the Museum of Human Science in Harare.[29]
Parfitt had this artifact radio-carbon dated to about 1350, which coincided with the sudden end of the Great Zimbabwe civilization

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Posted Image1922 photograph of the tomb of Tutankhamun. Photograph by Harry Burton (1879-1940)
In 1922 in the Egyptian Valley of the Kings the tomb of Tutankhamun (KV62) was opened by Howard Carter and Lord Carnarvon. Among the artifacts was a processional ark, listed as Shrine 261, the Anubis Shrine. Almost immediately after publication of the photographs[39] of this sensational archaeological find some claimed that the Anubis Shrine could be the Ark of the Covenant. John M. Lundquist, author of The Temple of Jerusalem: past, present, and future (2008), discounts this idea. The Anubis Shrine measures 95 centimetres (37 in) long, 37 centimetres (15 in) wide, 54.3 centimetres (21.4 in) high, in the shape of a pylon. The Biblical Ark of the Covenant is approximately 133 centimetres (52 in) long, 80 centimetres (31 in) wide, and 80 centimetres (31 in) high in the shape of a rectangular chest.
He points out that Shrine 261 is not strictly analogous to the Ark of the Covenant: it can only be said that the Anubis Shrine is "ark-like", constructed of wood, gilded and gessoed, stored within a sacred tomb, "guarding" the treasury of the tomb (and not the primary focus of that environment), that it contains compartments within it that store and hold sacred objects, that it has a figure of Anubis on its lid, and that it was carried by two staves permanently inserted into rings at its base and borne by eight priests in the funerary procession to Tutankhamun's tomb. Its value is the insight it provides to the ancient culture of Egypt.[40] The figure of Anubis itself contradicts any claim that Shrine 261 could be the Ark of the Covenant.


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:34 PM

 bones101proof, on 26 August 2012 - 08:14 AM, said:

I never knew god killed actual people, as mentioned in samuel  6:19. Religion really is obscene, ya know?

You should actually read the Old Testament. That god is a stone cold killer in addition to abetting genocide several times over.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 05:54 AM

I've always been fascinated with biblical relics because they are often described as having mythical powers.  Whether it is the ark of the covenant, the spear of destiny, or the Shroud of Turin.  These objects almost always have devine properties that can be physically manifested.  I do not believe the ark was a simple carrying case with batteries in it.  It was described as electrocuting people who looked inside or touched it without being worthy to do so.  I dunno about you, but that doesn't sound that your typical energizer bunny battery.  It would be nice if scientists could locate these relics, but I highly doubt it will ever be recovered especially if it is still dangerous as described.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 10:47 AM

 conspiracy buff, on 06 April 2013 - 05:54 AM, said:

I've always been fascinated with biblical relics because they are often described as having mythical powers.  Whether it is the ark of the covenant, the spear of destiny, or the Shroud of Turin.  These objects almost always have devine properties that can be physically manifested.  I do not believe the ark was a simple carrying case with batteries in it.  It was described as electrocuting people who looked inside or touched it without being worthy to do so.  I dunno about you, but that doesn't sound that your typical energizer bunny battery.  It would be nice if scientists could locate these relics, but I highly doubt it will ever be recovered especially if it is still dangerous as described.


As Tudor Parfitt had said this drum like ark of the Lemba`s could have had some kind of gun powder mixture carried in it that sparked and was  rebuilt after being damaged by fire. To me would be more believeable than anything magical.


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Posted 07 April 2013 - 03:50 AM

In Muslims holy Scripture, the Quran, the Arabic word for Ark is Tabut and is mentioned only twice:


2:248

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And (further) their Prophet said to them: "A sign of his authority is that there shall come to you the [Tabut] with (an assurance) therein of security from your Lord, and the relics left by the family of Moses and the family of Aaron carried by angels. In this is a Symbol for you if ye indeed have faith."
Yusuf Ali's translation


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And their Prophet said unto them: Lo! the token of his kingdom is that there shall come unto you the [Tabut] wherein is peace of reassurance from your Lord, and a remnant of that which the house of Moses and the house of Aaron left behind, the angels bearing it. Lo! herein shall be a token for you if (in truth) ye are believers.
Picthal's translation


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" `Throw (the child) into the [Tabut] and throw (the [Tabut]) into the river: the river will cast him up on the bank and he will be taken up by one who is an enemy to Me and an enemy to him': but I cast (the garment of) love over thee from Me: and (this) in order that thou mayest be reared under Mine eye.
Yusuf Ali's translation

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Saying: Throw him into the [Tabut], and throw it into the river, then the river shall throw it on to the bank, and there an enemy to Me and an enemy to him shall take him. And I endued thee with love from Me that thou mightest be trained according to My will,
Picthal's translation

That's it! The Quran basically doesn't say much about the AOC. So i tried looking up what other sources of the Islam say about the AOC.



The interpretation of 2:248:


Major Quranic exegesis, Tafsir al-Jalalayn, says:


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And their prophet said to them, after they had demanded a sign of his kingship: ‘The sign of his kingship is that there will come to you the Ark, a chest containing the images of the prophets, which God sent down to Adam, and which was handed down to them [sc. the Israelites], until the Amalekites seized it from them in battle. They used to commence fighting invoking it before their enemy and marching behind it, as well as experience peacefulness in its presence, as God says: therein is a Spirit of Peace, reassurance for your hearts, from your Lord, and a remnant of what the folk of Moses and the folk of Aaron left behind, which were Moses’s pair of sandals and his staff, Aaron’s turban, a measure (qafīz) of the manna that used to come down on them, and the pieces of the broken tablets, the angels bearing it (tahmiluhu l-malā’ikatu, the circumstantial qualifier referring to the subject of the verb ya’tiyakum, ‘there will come to’). Surely in that shall be a sign for you, of his kingship, if you are believers’. The angels bore it between the earth and the sky while they gazed at it, until finally they placed it before Saul. They then acknowledged his kingship and hastened to enlist in the [holy] struggle, and he chose seventy thousand of their young men.

Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs says:

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(And their Prophet) Samuel (said unto them: Lo! The token) the sign (of his kingdom) that it is from Allah (is that there shall come unto you the Ark) that was taken from you (wherein is peace of reassurance) mercy and tranquillity; it is also said that this means: it includes the wind (the triumph) of his victory, of golden colour in the form of a human face (from your Lord, and a remnant of that which the house of Moses) a remnant of Moses, i.e. his Scripture; as it is said: his tablets and staff (and the house of Aaron left behind) what Aaron had left behind, namely his cloak and turban, (the angels bearing it) the angels leading it. (Lo! Herein) in giving you back the Ark (shall be a token) a sign (for you) that he has been made king by Allah (if (in truth) ye are believers).


Tafsir Ibn Kathir says:

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And their Prophet said to them: "Verily! The sign of His kingdom is that there shall come to you At-Tabut,
Their Prophet then proclaimed, "The sign of the blessings of Talut's kingship over you is that Allah will give you back the Tabut (wooden box) that has been taken from you.''
Allah said: فِيهِ سَكِينَةٌ مِّن رَّبِّكُمْ (wherein is Sakinah from your Lord) meaning,
peace (or grace) and reassurance.
Abdur-Razzaq stated that Qatadah said: فِيهِ سَكِينَةٌ (wherein is Sakinah),
means grace.
In addition, Ar-Rabi said that;
Sakinah means mercy.
This is also the meaning given by Ibn Abbas, as Al-Awfi narrated.
Allah then said:

... وَبَقِيَّةٌ مِّمَّا تَرَكَ آلُ مُوسَى وَآلُ هَارُونَ ...

...and a remnant of that which Musa (Moses) and Harun (Aaron) left behind,
Ibn Jarir related that Ibn Abbas said about this Ayah:
Meaning, Moses' staff and the remnants of the Tablets.
This is the same Tafsir of Qatadah, As-Suddi, Ar-Rabi bin Anas and Ikrimah, who added, "And also the Torah.''
Abdur-Razzaq said that he asked Ath-Thawri about the meaning of, وَبَقِيَّةٌ مِّمَّا تَرَكَ آلُ مُوسَى وَآلُ هَارُونَ (...and a remnant of that which Musa (Moses) and Harun (Aaron) left behind),
Ath-Thawri said,
"Some said that it contained a pot of manna and the remnants of the Tablets, while some others said that it contained (Moses') staff and two shoes (and refer to 20:12).''
Allah then said:


... تَحْمِلُهُ الْمَلآئِكَةُ ...

...carried by the angels.
Ibn Jurayj stated that Ibn Abbas said,
"The angels came down while carrying the Tabut between the sky and the earth, until they placed it before Talut while the people were watching.''
As-Suddi said,
"The Tabut was brought to Talut's house, so the people believed in the Prophethood of Shamun (Simeon) and obeyed Talut.''
The Prophet then said:


... إِنَّ فِي ذَلِكَ لآيَةً لَّكُمْ ...

Verily, in this is a sign for you,
testifying to my truth in what I was sent with, my Prophethood, and my command to you to obey Talut.


... إِن كُنتُم مُّؤْمِنِينَ ﴿٢٤٨﴾

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in Allah and the Hereafter.

Sakinah seems to be the Arabic splling of Shekhina:


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Arabic: سكينة‎ sakīnah is mentioned six times in the Quran, in chapters 2, 9 and 48.[8]


Their prophet said to them: "The sign of his kingship is that the Ark will come to you in which there is tranquility from your Lord and a relic from the family of Moses and the family of Aaron, borne by the angels.

Al-Qurtubi mentions in his famous exegesis, in explanation of the above-mentioned verse, that according to Wahb ibn Munnabih, Sakinah is a spirit from God that speaks, and, in the case of the Israelites, where people disagreed on some issue, this spirit came to clarify the situation, and used to be a cause of victory for them in wars. According to Ali, "Sakinah is a sweet breeze/wind, whose face is like the face of a human". Mujahid mentions that "when Sakinah glanced at an enemy, they were defeated", and ibn Atiyyah mentions about the Ark of the Covenant (at-Tabut), to which the Sakina was associated, that souls found therein peace, warmth, companionship and strength.
Muslim ibn al-Hajjaj Nishapuri says in his Sahih al-Bukhari, that a certain man (during the time of Muhammad), was reciting the sura al-Kahf from the Quran by his tethered horse, and as he was reciting, a cloud engulfed him, which was encircling and descending, whose sight caused his horse to jump and move, and so when morning came he went to Muhammad and informed him of what occurred, to which Muhammad replied that it was the Sakinah that descended for the Quran.
According to Sunni traditions, when Muhammad was persecuted in Mecca and the time came for him to emigrate to Madinah (Medina), he took temporary refuge with his companion Abu Bakr in the cave of Thawr. Seeking to be hidden from the Makkans who were looking for him, it was at Thawr where God brought down His sakina over them, protecting them from their enemies. According to Sufism, it was at Thawr that Abu Bakr was blessed with divine secrets whose transmission from him to the latter generations formed the Naqshbandi path of Sufism. It was this experience that led the second Caliph Umar to say that all the good Umar did cannot stand as an equivalent to Abu Bakr's sole virtue of companionship with Muhammad at the Thawr cave.
Muhammed's grandson Hussein ibn Ali named one of his daughters Sakina. She tragically perished in a Syrian prison during the imprisonment of Hussein's family members, mostly women and children, who survived the Battle of Karbala. She was the first person in the history of Islam to have been given the name Sakinah. It is currently a popular female name in most Islamic cultures.


Then i found this totally different view on what Tabut is by Muhammad Ali in his book The Holy Quran:


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He has been labelled as heretical. His sect is Lahori Ahmediyya.
Same view is adobted by Muhammad Asad in his book
The Message of the Qur'an:

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2:248
And their prophet said unto them: "Behold, it shall be a sign of his [rightful] dominion that
you will be granted a heart239 endowed by your Sustainer with inner peace and with all that is
enduring in the angel-borne heritage left behind by the House of Moses and the House of
Aaron.240 Herein, behold, there shall indeed be a sign for you if you are [truly] believers."

239 Lit., "that there will come to you the heart". The word tabut - here rendered as "heart" -
has been conventionally interpreted as denoting the Ark of the Covenant mentioned in the Old
Testament, which is said to have been a highly-ornamented chest or box. The explanations
offered by most of the commentators who adopt the latter meaning are very contradictory, and
seem to be based on Talmudic legends woven around that "ark". However, several authorities
of the highest standing attribute to tabut the meaning of "bosom" or "heart" as well: thus,
Baydawi in one of the alternatives offered in his commentary on this verse, as well as
Zamakhshari in his Asas (though not in the Kashshaf ), Ibn al-Athir in the Nihdyah, Raghib,
and Taj al-'Arus (the latter four in the article tabata ); see also Lane I, 321, and IV, 1394
(art. sakfnah). If we take this to be the meaning of tabut in the above context, it would
be an allusion to the Israelites' coming change of heart (a change already indicated, in
general terms, in verse 243 above). In view of the subsequent mention of the "inner peace"
in the tabut, its rendering as "heart" is definitely more appropriate than "ark".

240 Lit., "and the remainder of that which the House (al) of Moses and the House of Aaron
left behind. borne by the angels". The expression "borne by the angels" or "angel-borne"
is an allusion to the God-inspired nature of the spiritual heritage left by those two
prophets; while the "remainder" (baqiyyah) denotes that which is "lasting" or "enduring"
in that heritage.


And G A Parwez in his book Exposion of the Quran:

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247-248

Anyhow, they repeated their request for a commander and their Nabi told them that Allah had appointed Saul as their commander. They immediately responded by saying: “How can a man like Saul be our commander? We are more deserving than he. He is a poor man.” The Nabi said, “Wealth is not the criterion for appointing a commander. Saul possesses more knowledge and physical prowess than the others. This is the Law of Allah according to which He selects one for a position of authority and this Law is based on His Infinite Knowledge and not according to your self-made standards.” The Nabi continued: “Since Saul will use his powers in accordance with Allah’s Laws, the immediate result of his leadership will be that your hearts will be rid of the fear of the enemy and you will become tranquil and contented. Secondly, he will recover the relics left by the descendants of Moses and Aaron from their capture and restore them to you. All this should furnish ample proof that Saul’s selection is indeed the right one.”


Now i'm more confused than i was before! And apparently, the Tabuts in each verse are not the same, to Muslims. Their book says so little about Tabut yet they had detailed stories about it (inspired/copied from Torah?). All while they believe the Torah was distorted.

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