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#256    ChrLzs

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 11:28 AM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 09 May 2013 - 12:20 PM, said:

Surely, you and Archimedes are entitled to your skepticism regarding any decoding done by any mathematicians at Gavrinis.
Yes, they, I and many others are absolutely and CORRECTLY entitled to be skeptical of this now proven false claim.

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I cannot cite them by name because I do not know their name.
No-one does.  They do not exist.  They are a figment of someone's imagination - a testament to how the mind can simply make stuff up when a belief is so strong that anything can be twisted to be 'evidence'.

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Indeed, I'm not certain that History and AA were telling the truth.
In this case, it doesn't appear to be a case of AA or History channel making stuff up.  Here's what YOU, Babe Ruth, said:

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mathematicians have decoded the various engravings inside, and discovered that it encodes among other things, the value of pi out to like a gazillion points.
That's what you wanted this forum to accept without question.  Yet even when the offending episode was found, it didn't say any such thing.

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As you both suggest, perhaps they are liars and charlatans.
They are?  There is a rather obvious response to that, but decorum and forum rules suggest I just leave it at that...

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I suspect that if by chance I were able to cite the names of such mathematicians, you would likely just call them charlatans and liars
First, you cannot cite any names of any mathematicians who said what YOU claimed, as what you claimed was not correct at even the most basic level.  If you did cite such names and they had in fact said what you claimed, then we would have simply asked for the evidence - if they then came forward with the verified engravings of pi to a 'gazillion' places, I'd say - "whoopee, at last, some evidence of alien visitation!!"  I can't speak for others, but I suspect they would too.

But, again, sadly, there are NO mathematicians, recognised or otherwise, who have made that claim.  Let alone any who have the evidence to back it up.

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that is the typical reaction of people first encountering things that threaten their world view
That's pretty sad - do you feel qualified to speak for others?  I am always delighted and intrigued by things that ENHANCE my cosmological view.  I certainly don't feel threatened by anything, let alone the concept of aliens finally turning up here..  But when such things arise, I look into them.  Because.. and here, Babe, is where you really need to listen carefully.. some people like to joke around, some like to exaggerate, some like to deceive, some simply get deceived, some like to make up stories for money, some are just plane crazy..

Yes, Babe, everything you hear isn't necessarily true...  And it seems some stuff you think you have heard/seen, isn't what you heard/saw at all..

Maybe I like to investigate things thoroughly simply because I have a science background - maybe it's also because some of my decisions have had the power - at best - to make or lose a lot of other folks' money or - at worst - result in injury or death..  But I like investigating things thoroughly - I learn stuff, and I also have got pretty good at picking the wheat from the chaff..

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For some strange reason, some people are threatened by the notion that this planet has been visited.
Again, you seem able to read minds.  But you've got mine wrong.  I'd love to see aliens visit us, or to see proof that they have in the past.  But I don't just believe any old excrement, nor do I make stuff up when it suits me...

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I, OTOH, feel that we have certainly been visited.
Well, good onya!  I just hope your best evidence isn't also based on misinformation..  Like..

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Indeed, what some call "junk DNA" in our genome is most likely alien DNA.  So theorized Human Genome Project about 10 years ago, and I agree.
Oh dear,  Here we go again?  Perhaps this is what Babe alludes to:
http://www.americans...ark-side-of-dna
No, not quite the "aliens" he was hoping for... The 'alien' dna segments are either unidentified or from non-mammalian (ie 'alien' to homo sapiens) species..

Yet another example of what passes for evidence to true believers..

But I'd invite anyone to do, oh do, start another thread on that topic if you wish to take it up seriously.  But I'd suggest you read up on the claim properly, rather than rely on a History Channel/Ancient Alienz/online conspiracy site interpretation...  and perhaps have the decency to CITE the claims from the Human Genome Project's comprehensive and easily available documentation and published papers.

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I concede, and you have "won".  I am wrong, and you are "right". :innocent:
Well, I guess that's something.  Although the little haloed creature suggests maybe you still have a way to go...

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 04:08 PM

Hold on, so anyone who doesn't go "gasp, there are secret Alien Structures on the Moon, which NASA has been keeping from us, and I know this is true because one Karl Wolfe says he saw them", is now a neo-Nazi and a Disinfo agent?

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 07:47 PM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 11 May 2013 - 04:08 PM, said:

Hold on, so anyone who doesn't go "gasp, there are secret Alien Structures on the Moon, which NASA has been keeping from us, and I know this is true because one Karl Wolfe says he saw them", is now a neo-Nazi and a Disinfo agent?
Oh ! Oh ! Show us the movie`s of this please, These Neo-Nazi`s are so smart from what Ive seen of them , LoL like they could even hold there breath long enough to make it to the Moon !

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 07:54 PM

View PostDONTEATUS, on 11 May 2013 - 07:47 PM, said:

Oh ! Oh ! Show us the movie`s of this please, These Neo-Nazi`s are so smart from what Ive seen of them , LoL like they could even hold there breath long enough to make it to the Moon !
Moon? No, they operate from the Secret Base inside the Hollow Earth, of course.

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 08:09 PM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 11 May 2013 - 07:54 PM, said:

Moon? No, they operate from the Secret Base inside the Hollow Earth, of course.
I love that Hollow earth one too !  You can really tell alot about people that believe in the Moon bases,Hollow Earth,and Big-Foot`s ect Wack-n-Bush Ideas !
THat being They really live in a different universe than do we. But Hey ! What ever turns there cranks ! ITs all about how long you can take it right ?
A hollow Earth will be quite the Hot Place to BE ! Molten Hot that is !

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 06:56 AM

View PostSmirnov, on 11 May 2013 - 10:25 AM, said:

You mean you will use "dirty tactics" in your attempt to discredit Mr. Wolfe no matter what it takes, right? Seems you're using similar tactics as Disinfo agents and Neo-Nazis use ( http://www.davidicke...175373&page=250 'believenothing', 'Sniper13x', 'resistance' and other of these Neo-Nazis do what they can in their effort to destroy historical facts and evidences from the horrors of WWII, and they use similar dirty tactics as Disinfo agents use), how pathetic, well, except that WWII is not the topics here.



David Icke forums? Seriously?


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Posted 13 May 2013 - 06:58 AM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 11 May 2013 - 07:54 PM, said:

Moon? No, they operate from the Secret Base inside the Hollow Earth, of course.

I heard the moon I dunno LOL

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 07:02 AM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 09 May 2013 - 12:20 PM, said:


I suspect that if by chance I were able to cite the names of such mathematicians, you would likely just call them charlatans and liars as well.  Maybe not, but that is the typical reaction of people first encountering things that threaten their world view, and I feel that such is the case here.  For some strange reason, some people are threatened by the notion that this planet has been visited.


What was your opinion of the link I gave you to the real information about the AA claims on megalithic sites?

Just in case, here it is again - Ancient Aliens Debunked. One might add, and how. Please note the blue subheadings which are links.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 08:58 AM

Hey Sheep Smart

What happened here?

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You ignoring me again?

Crikey Moses, women. Sheesh.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 09:26 AM


From around 0:20 to 1:30 into the above "Alex Collier Moon & Mars Lecture 1996, Part 6", Alex says >>Aryans by birth. They are also there with other Extraterrestrials, between the Moon and our Earth there are 18000 Greys here. There are only apparently 2000 real Greys left, all the rest are clones, they are "robots", they are organic robots, and micro pr... are grown in their head, they are controlled by some kind of radio frequency. Now, Greys and the Orions also have this technology to absolutely replicate and duplicate human being, and those of you who are familiar with the old D.... B... stuff before he was killed at a parking lot in Dallas, i would suggest you go back and reresearch that information, except he was told the Russians were doing it and they are not doing it, they say Extraterrestrials were doing it who are trying to undermine the free will of those of us of the surface of the planet, because this is our home.<<.
From around 6.25 Alex says >>This is why the focus is on destroying the United States of America, okay, the UN, the World Order, all of that stuff they are all taking orders from ET's, and they are scared to death, but they are willing to sacrifice this nation, they are willing to kill 3.5 to 4 billion people to maintain their place as the new priesthoods, this is Sumeria this is Egypt all over again, because there are 6 billion people living here. If people of this nation surrender the bill of rights by 1998 folks you will no longer have the United States of America, that's a garantee, that's a garantee. This is the reason the Andromedans are coming back, because 317 years into our future our galaxy is in tyranny, and they have traced through time travel all the... that lead to a single point that shipped the energy from free to tyranny. We are also talking about spiritual level, suppression, oppression of soul of spirit, and they have traced it all the way back to our solar system. This is why many races are coming back saying >Hey, this is not going to work<, because 317 years into our future there is tyranny here, there is no such thing as freedom.<<

From around 1:00 into above Part 7, Alex says >>I've been 'told' that the Andromedan Council have already decided to directly intervene, but i don't know what that is. I can tell you this that the Pleiadians are in war with the Greys outside of our solar system, this is going on and. Official protocol ships from Orion are going to be here, i want to show you what the Greys are up to, many people say they left, i'm sorry to disappoint you, but apparently they are still here, and they have no intention of leaving because they need us, they are desperately trying to save their race by using our genetics, but it isn't working, they can create the form but they can't put soul in the body, that's a gift. I'm 'told' that many of the abductions that are occuring now, that the vital body the aura of the people being abducted which is primarily the females in their family, they're using first and second daughter and their mother, what they are doing is that they are peeling off the vital body the closest parts of the energy field, and they are storing it and they are feeding it to their hybrids that have their mothers' genetics in it, and apparently they are doing this to keep them alive, and apparently also trying to create soul, they think by stealing the aura the vital body in the energy field and giving it to another that would create soul.<<
From around 9:30, Alex says >>This is G.... , it's another artificial satellite, G.... has life on it, has water, has an atmosphere, many of the benevolent races use this as a base.<<

Edited by Smirnov, 13 May 2013 - 09:33 AM.


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Posted 13 May 2013 - 11:09 AM

Smirnov, how about posting your words, backed by cites from an actual credible source rather than big chunks from Youtube, the sewer of the Internet?

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 11:13 AM

The Delusional Writing of the Imaginary “Alex Collier” http://theyfly.com/a...ex Collier.html

Edited by Hazzard, 13 May 2013 - 11:37 AM.

I still await the compelling Exhibit A.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 11:48 AM

View PostChrlzs, on 13 May 2013 - 11:09 AM, said:

Smirnov, how about posting your words, backed by cites from an actual credible source rather than big chunks from Youtube, the sewer of the Internet?
I am using "Alex Collier Moon & Mars Lecture 1996" as a credible source, i'm just writing a "transcript" of what he says from that lecture. If you have a problem with that, then it's your own problem.

From around 1:38:00 into the above Moon & Mars Lecture 1996, Alex Collier mentioned that "Moranae" 'told' him that by the year of 2000 New York city will turn into "Ash", that's what he said about New York city, and he said that back in 1996, about 5 years before 911 took place... It will be "sacrificed", he said... It's going to be "sacrificed". "The Powers that be" already made that decision, it will be "Sacrificed", an "offering", the souls that lives there their energy is going to be an "offering". >>An act of terrorism will turn it to "Ash"<<, that's what he said about New York city, keep in mind he said this back in 1996. He said it would happen in 2000 all right, only 1 year missing as 911 took place in 2001.
As you can see, Moranae predicted 911, even if Alex said 2000 by mistake.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 11:56 AM

View PostHazzard, on 13 May 2013 - 11:13 AM, said:

The Delusional Writing of the Imaginary “Alex Collier” http://theyfly.com/a...ex Collier.html
Well,

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 11:59 AM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 09 May 2013 - 12:20 PM, said:

Surely, you and Archimedes are entitled to your skepticism regarding any decoding done by any mathematicians at Gavrinis.
What decoding?  No-one has demonstrated any decoding of anything by anyone.

All we have is the word of a TV programme that some decoding was done and pi was found encoded.  A TV programme that doesn't name who did the decoding or tell us how it was done.

Can you understand why we are skeptical of the claim?  Why would anyone accept it as being true with nothing to support the claim but what the narrator of a TV show makes vague statements about?

Maybe it's just me, but when confronted with such vague but impressive claims and lack of any supporting evidence I tend to be skeptical.

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