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Piers Morgan debates Ted Nugent on GunControl


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#46    aztek

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:47 PM

View PostYamato, on 06 February 2013 - 07:46 PM, said:

And as every liberal knows all too well,  looks matter!
to them seems like only looks matter

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:48 PM

View Postaztek, on 06 February 2013 - 07:45 PM, said:

lol, no they are not rifles, but some shotguns are hard to tell apart from rifles, at the first glance especially in a dark, on grainy video ,saiga is a good example, lever action 410 shotguns, and marlin bolt action shotgun. they look just like rifles.

No, you are right, the Saiga 12s is just a combat shotgun (in its original version), not a rifle. The rifle was in the school.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:58 PM

View Postand then, on 06 February 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:

So it's unacceptable to even JOKE about firearms around you?  I read Fess' statement and it never occurred to me he was serious.  Part of the joke was that ted is known as a wild man and that would have been in keeping with his persona - hence the "he's not stupid"  The inescapable, provable truth is that the VAST majority of all US gun owners NEVER use it in anger against another human being.

I did not say that it's unacceptable to joke about guns nor did I make reference to any one specific comment. What I made reference to is how those that are yelling the loudest about this subject also are the ones that make statements or comments advocating armed revolution and even saying that they'll shoot anyone who tries to take their gun away. Hell, I've even seen comments wishing that "anti gun" people get shot.



View Postaztek, on 06 February 2013 - 07:40 PM, said:

i just watched the video, of cops getting a rifle out of the trunk,  even thou it was grainy, it was NOT ar type of rifle, the charging handle on ar is in the top back of the reciver, what they found was ak type rifle, with charging handle on the front\side.

You mean the shotgun that the report says was in the trunk?

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:17 PM

View PostStellar, on 06 February 2013 - 07:58 PM, said:

Hell, I've even seen comments wishing that "anti gun" people get shot.

And it's people who think and act like that, are the very ones who will make matters worse for actual responsible gun owners throughout the country ..Shame they aren't smart enough to realise that

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:44 PM

View PostStellar, on 06 February 2013 - 03:39 PM, said:

Why is it that the most adamant "responsible" gun owners on this forum seem to be the ones joking and/or threatening to use their guns to shoot people?

There's reasonable people here, like HerNibs and Michelle... and then theres the more vocal ones who talk of actually shooting people.

I have seen a few jokes but not anyone making threats though i do not doubt it in these forums,when a soldier deserves what he got being murdered in cold blood while helping another former soldier it crosses over from a discussion to anything goes.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:54 PM

View PostDetective Mystery 2013, on 06 February 2013 - 04:50 AM, said:



Did you know that Morgan is Irish? He has an English accent and a Welsh surname (fake), but he has roots in Eire. Ireland shares the USA's history when it comes to expelling monarchist troops. One would think that Morgan would sound less like King George III with that kind of background.
Interesting tidbits but until 2 months ago I've never heard of the guy.


View PostBeckys_Mom, on 06 February 2013 - 02:18 PM, said:



Yes shoot anyone who disagrees with you..  You all should get guns in case you are in an argument, that should make your rights to own guns look better... Bring back the days of the old west...

Seriously, I believe you all should own a right to keep your arms and not ever loose your rights  ( said it a dozen times ) But shooting people who do not agree with you, is not the smart way to go about it.. You are only giving the anti gunners more ammo  ( pardon the pun )  to use against the gun owners...  If you were serious in what you said, then it doesn't look good,  if you weren't serious, then you may see were I am coming from

Whoa! Pump your brakes. You ma'am always gripe on people about misconstruing your words. I guess you really don't know me but seriously, do you think I was actually advocating something so stupid.

View PostStellar, on 06 February 2013 - 03:39 PM, said:

Why is it that the most adamant "responsible" gun owners on this forum seem to be the ones joking and/or threatening to use their guns to shoot people?

There's reasonable people here, like HerNibs and Michelle... and then theres the more vocal ones who talk of actually shooting people.

That goes for you too if you're referring to me. Though I expect it from you, c'mon... Guess that's the curse of conversing in text, everything is taken as so literal.

Thanks ANDTHEN! Thought I was dealing with mostly intelligent people here. Guess that's not very intelligent of me to think.


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 11:17 PM

I don't personally believe that Mr Fess was being serious for a second, with his "Ted should of drew his gun!" comment. Looks like humor to me.

Obviously - If anyone does ever see anybody directly threaten anyone on here, then please hit the report button to make the moderation team aware of it. We'd rather have multiple reports of the same incident than none at all.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:19 AM

View PostTiggs, on 06 February 2013 - 11:17 PM, said:

I don't personally believe that Mr Fess was being serious for a second, with his "Ted should of drew his gun!" comment. Looks like humor to me.

Obviously - If anyone does ever see anybody directly threaten anyone on here, then please hit the report button to make the moderation team aware of it. We'd rather have multiple reports of the same incident than none at all.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 03:07 AM

having Ted talk about anything is an insult to stupid people. A stone has more brains.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 10:51 AM

View Post-Mr_Fess-, on 06 February 2013 - 10:54 PM, said:

Whoa! Pump your brakes. You ma'am always gripe on people about misconstruing your words. I guess you really don't know me but seriously, do you think I was actually advocating something so stupid.


From my post, I clearly wrote....

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   If you were serious in what you said, then it doesn't look good, if you weren't serious, then you may see were I am coming from     

I added that into the same post you read. That post above, clearly shows I don't know you well enough to know if you were or were not serious. I was hoping you weren't serious, and see exactly where I was coming from....  I am sorry for acting confused, I didn't know ..I will know in future if you say anything like that again, I'll take it as your humour...   It takes a while to get to know you all on here, and how you all post..  I hope you can understand that...

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 07:16 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 07 February 2013 - 10:51 AM, said:



From my post, I clearly wrote....


I added that into the same post you read. That post above, clearly shows I don't know you well enough to know if you were or were not serious. I was hoping you weren't serious, and see exactly where I was coming from....  I am sorry for acting confused, I didn't know ..I will know in future if you say anything like that again, I'll take it as your humour...   It takes a while to get to know you all on here, and how you all post..  I hope you can understand that...

It's all good. I figured we spoke enough already that you shouldn't wonder what angle I was coming from but I know it is hard to decipher personalties without faces, voices and body language.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 07:22 PM

View Post-Mr_Fess-, on 07 February 2013 - 07:16 PM, said:

It's all good. I figured we spoke enough already that you shouldn't wonder what angle I was coming from but I know it is hard to decipher personalties without faces, voices and body language.

This is one reason i try stress try not to argue with people over the net,cannot look someone in the eyes,cannot hear their tone of voice,and cannot see their reaction.Causes lots of confusion

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 07:29 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 06 February 2013 - 06:11 PM, said:

That is from your link.

And an assault rifle, at least according to its inventors, is an automatic loading gas operated rifle (See Gewehr 44, also known as Sturmgewehr or Assault Rifle). The Bushmaster sure fits that description. Calling a donkey horse does not change its nature.

Aren't most semi-automatics gas operated and auto loading? Are they all "assualt weapons" (since many are pistols) now? I thought they had to be capable of selecting full auto to be assualt rifles.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 07:35 PM

View PostBama13, on 07 February 2013 - 07:29 PM, said:

Aren't most semi-automatics gas operated and auto loading? Are they all "assualt weapons" (since many are pistols) now? I thought they had to be capable of selecting full auto to be assualt rifles.
No, most automatics before the invention of the Gewehrr 44 were recoil loading.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 08:18 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 07 February 2013 - 07:35 PM, said:

No, most automatics before the invention of the Gewehrr 44 were recoil loading.

Thanks for the info.

The M1 Garand is gas operated. So this an "assult weapon"?
The Maxim Machine Gun is recoil operated. So this not an "assult weapon"?
Which would you rather your fellow citizens have?
Seems a recoil operated weapon will shoot about as fast as a gas operated one.

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